I place no belief on unproven statement, only facts, of which there are none without a real investigation.

Since there has not been one, only "an official story" released in a redacted form "for security issues", and a he said, she said, delivery of it, I, as many others, have unanswered questions.

My brain functions, I have independent thoughts, beliefs, opinions and ideas. Am I to be ridiculed or called names because of it? Told I am wrong? What if in fact I am right?

There is NO solid proof to claim that what we were told is the absolute truth by those who have lied to us time and time again. Most were or are government contractors of one name or another.

Simply by that logic, who best fits into the area of possibilities with their reasoning?

To seek an investigation that was NOT allowed to happen does not put a label on me, it only says I am not satisfied with the answers!

If one Dr tells you you are about to die a horrible death, do you commit suicide or consult another Dr first?

so i take it there are facts showing they lied?

national security covers a broad area

i didn't see anyone ridicule you, you can be anything you want... but there is no wrong or right, because there is no PROOF either way...

there is no solid proof it was a lie either, your speculating.. they lied once, so they lied again? probably so, but not proof by a long shot
nobody, there is no proof either way... we all have an opinion on it

the truest statement you made so far... neither am I, but it is what it is, and most of what they said fits, where truthers are to busy having fantasies about would could have happened...

You almost had logic, then you labeled...."Truthers"....

You can't have it both ways! you label, yet say there is no proof!

Who is confused here?

Remember this?

(CINCINNATI, Ohio) - In John Farmer’s book: “The Ground Truth: The Story Behind America’s Defense on 9/11″, the author builds the inescapably convincing case that the official version... is almost entirely untrue...

The 9/11 Commission now tells us that the official version of 9/11 was based on false testimony and documents and is almost entirely untrue. The details of this massive cover-up are carefully outlined in a book by John Farmer, who was the Senior Counsel for the 9/11 Commission.

Farmer, Dean of Rutger Universities' School of Law and former Attorney General of New Jersey, was responsible for drafting the original flawed 9/11 report.

Does Farmer have cooperation and agreement from other members of the Commission? Yes. Did they say Bush ordered 9/11? No. Do they say that the 9/11 Commission was lied to by the FBI, CIA, Whitehouse and NORAD? Yes. Is there full documentary proof of this? Yes.

Farmer states...“at some level of the government, at some point in time…there was an agreement not to tell the truth about what happened... I was shocked at how different the truth was from the way it was described …. The [Norad air defense] tapes told a radically different story from what had been told to us and the public for two years. This is not spin.”

The 9/11 Commission head, Thomas Kean, was the Republican governor of New Jersey. He had the following to say... “We to this day don’t know why NORAD [the North American Aerospace Command] told us what they told us, it was just so far from the truth. . . " When Bush's own handpicked commission failed to go along with the cover up and requested a criminal investigation, why was nothing done?

9/11 Commission member and former US Senator, Bob Kerrey, says, "No one is more qualified to write the definitive book about the tragedy of 9/11 than John Farmer. Fortunately, he has done so. Even more fortunately the language is clear, alive and instructive for anyone who wants to make certain this never happens again."

With the only "official" 9/11 report now totally false, where do we go from here? Who is hurt by these lies? The families of the victims of 9/11 have fought, for years, to get to the truth. For years, our government has hidden behind lies and secrecy to deny them closure.

In 2006, The Washington Post reported..."Suspicion of wrongdoing ran so deep that the 10-member commission, in a secret meeting at the end of its tenure in summer 2004, debated referring the matter to the Justice Department for criminal investigation, according to several commission sources. Staff members and some commissioners thought that e-mails and other evidence provided enough probable cause to believe that military and aviation officials violated the law by making false statements to Congress and to the commission..."

What does Farmer's book tell us? Farmer offers no solutions, only a total and full rejection of what was told and his own his own ideas concerning the total failure of honesty on the part of the government, a government with something to hide.

Farmer never tells us what. Nobody could keep a job in the public sector speaking out more than Farmer has. What were Farmer's omissions? There are some. Now that we know that intelligence given the 9/11 Commission wasn't just lies from our own government but based on testimony coerced through torture from informants forced to back up a cover story now proven false, a pattern emerges.


We know that, immediately after 9/11, many more potential suspects and informants were flown directly to Saudi Arabia by Presidential order than were ever detained and questioned. We will never know what they could have said. Their testimony would have been vital to any real investigation were they not put beyond the reach of even Congress and the FBI.

Putting aside all other questions of recent evidence of CIA involvement with bin Laden prior to 9/11 or altered physical evidence involving the Pentagon attack, any failure to call to account the systematic perjury committed by dozens of top government officials, now exposed as a certainty is an offense to every American.

What do we know? We know the conjecture about 9/11 still stands but for certain, we know we were lied to, not in a minor way, but systematically as part of a plot covering up government involvement at nearly every level, perhaps gross negligence, perhaps something with darker intent.

Are we willing to live with another lie to go with the Warren Report, Iran Contra and so many others? Has the sacrifice of thousands more Americans, killed, wounded or irreparably damaged by a war knowingly built on the same lies from the same liars who misled the 9/11 Commission pushed us beyond willingness to confront the truth?

Have we yet found where the lies have begun and ended? There is no evidence of this, only evidence to the contrary. The lies live on and the truth will never be sought. The courage for that task has not been found.

Can anyone call themselves an American if they don't demand, even with the last drop of their blood, that the truth be found?
http://www.salem-news.com/articles/september112009/911_truth_9-11-09.php

is farmer giving you a commission for peddling his crap? you seem to like to quote his book...

whatever, i'm not confused... i'm pretty sure it happened the way they said it did... and you shouldn't get pissy about the term "truthers", it really means nothing... but i fail to see how you think i'm confused because i said truther... sounds like your just trying to change the subject or something...i studied the misdirection argument in college, and those tactics do not work very well with me... but keep trying, maybe you can convince me that it was a false flag event...

Its a great story right or wrong. If the Senior Counsel for the 9/11 Commission says the official report is based on lies and false testimony it should be investigated.

you know,instead of going to those Conspiracy-Sites,eating up their ever warmed up Potluck,you ought to invest in a Couple of Books about Engineering,Properties of Materials,and a Book or two on Explosives and their Applications!
OOPS,belay that last one,might get you in serious hot water these days!

One would think that if the Senior Counsel for the 9/11 Commission says the official report is based on lies and false testimony its well past time to stop calling it a conspiracy eh?

strange though,he has yet to come up with anything tangible to implicate the Bush-Administration,beyond them saving their Behinds by covering up the SNAFU on 9/11/01!
Nether have you anything more than the CT-Sites,which aren't worth the Pixels they create!

Yep,The Three Musketeers is a great Story too,so is the Hunchback Of Notre Dame,or The Count Of Monte Christo!

Long Live The Truth Seekers...The die-hards will stay to the death and even then they will not admit they were wrong...ego is a mind bender.

We are not going away

yep,it bends the Mind to deny every Scientific Principle!
You all cried Fire too many times,and there wasn't even Smoke!

"Smoke From A Non-Existant Fire"!

nope,just regurgitating the same old long disproven "Stuff"!

The fact that World Trade Center 7 was taken down by controlled demolition has gone mainstream with over 1,200 Architects and Engineers scientifically proving the fact that the building was taken down with explosives.

http://theintelhub.com/2010/11/14/geraldo-rivera-runs-911-truth-segment-on-world-trade-center-7/

yeah,right!
That's why they induced Fire into the Structure so the Explosives could be more random and efficient!
And don't you just love that CT-Intelhub?
Are you all ever getting tired of quoting Hacks?

What a lie that quote is. 1200 of them signed a paper asking for an investigation. They didn't prove anything. That is also like 0.1% of engineers and architects. Yes Let's listen to the 0.1%. Not all the people that proved scientifically how this stuff happened. Not one conspiracy theory for the collapse holds water in the scientific community. If they did they would be published in scientific journals not websites.

i don't think you understand what the word "proof" means... if there was any proof, then you truthers would be right, and i would be agreeing with you... but since there is NO proof of anything, we will just have a difference of opinion...

So is ignorance.

if he was giving the book away, i would read it... that would prove that he has the peoples interest at heart, but since he feels $20 is a fair price, than that leads me to believe that he has money interest in his heart... since it is the money he is after, the book cannot be trusted, IMO...

The CONCEPT of explosives being used is so absurd as to be hilarious to the tens of thousands of engineers and scientists who actually understand the subject.

The misuse of the word "fact" in your statement and the connection using the word "proving" is really sad.

Please show your source of information on the new noiseless and lightless type of explosive. Also please explain the physics of the bristance calculations allowing such new explosive to cut steel while remaining noiseless and lightless.

The "facts" are:

No such explosive exists.

Evidence would be recorded on many of the recording devices used at the time.

The physics and material science prove no such explosive was necessary.

Your statement is a stupid lie that you cannot defend.