Topic: 18+ dead in Pakistan >100 wounded
s1owhand's photo
Sat 09/22/12 06:41 AM
Fiery anti-U.S. demonstrations swept through Pakistan's capital and several other cities Friday as thousands of people furious over an anti-Islam film privately produced in America clashed with police in one of the worst waves of violence to hit the nation in recent years.

In Islamabad, protesters turned the city's tree-lined boulevards and avenues into a battle zone as they toppled freight containers set up as barriers and pelted riot police with rocks while unsuccessfully trying to storm a heavily guarded enclave housing the U.S. embassy and other diplomatic missions. Across the country, at least 18 people were killed in the violence and more than 100 more injured.

In the northwest city of Peshawar, protesters torched a movie house and clashed with police, who used tear gas to turn back demonstrators. There were reports of police opening fire to disperse protesters, and at least one person, a driver for a Pakistani television channel, died of a bullet wound, authorities said.
http://india.nydailynews.com/newsarticle/505cc523b7445c036a000000/at-least-18-dead-in-pakistan-anti-american-rioting#ixzz27CoWPF00

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:smile: OK, Who is responsible for that? :smile:

msharmony's photo
Sat 09/22/12 07:35 AM
its a shame

I dont understand people or violent protests, or idiots who put others in harms way,,,,for no LEGIT reason other than to be insulting

msharmony's photo
Sat 09/22/12 07:35 AM
its a shame

I dont understand people or violent protests, or idiots who put others in harms way,,,,for no LEGIT reason other than to be insulting

willing2's photo
Sat 09/22/12 07:37 AM
Pick any video or public statement.
Rabid animalsms.

no photo
Sat 09/22/12 07:47 AM
They should be encouraged to kill each other.:smile:

Conrad_73's photo
Sat 09/22/12 08:25 AM

They should be encouraged to kill each other.:smile:
seems the Movie achieved just that!surprised

willing2's photo
Sat 09/22/12 08:40 AM


They should be encouraged to kill each other.:smile:
seems the Movie achieved just that!surprised

The 'movie did it' excuse is as valid as the used up race card.

msharmony's photo
Sat 09/22/12 08:42 AM
I agree

the mythological 'race card' is over blamed and over used,,,,

no photo
Sat 09/22/12 05:45 PM

I agree

the mythological 'race card' is over blamed and over used,,,,


Oh,my.

s1owhand's photo
Sun 09/23/12 01:58 AM

Fiery anti-U.S. demonstrations swept through Pakistan's capital and several other cities Friday as thousands of people furious over an anti-Islam film privately produced in America clashed with police in one of the worst waves of violence to hit the nation in recent years.

In Islamabad, protesters turned the city's tree-lined boulevards and avenues into a battle zone as they toppled freight containers set up as barriers and pelted riot police with rocks while unsuccessfully trying to storm a heavily guarded enclave housing the U.S. embassy and other diplomatic missions. Across the country, at least 18 people were killed in the violence and more than 100 more injured.

In the northwest city of Peshawar, protesters torched a movie house and clashed with police, who used tear gas to turn back demonstrators. There were reports of police opening fire to disperse protesters, and at least one person, a driver for a Pakistani television channel, died of a bullet wound, authorities said.
http://india.nydailynews.com/newsarticle/505cc523b7445c036a000000/at-least-18-dead-in-pakistan-anti-american-rioting#ixzz27CoWPF00

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:smile: OK, Who is responsible for that? :smile:



Well you all have rather disappointed me!

It is a very simple question, but no one had the guts to actually
answer the question honestly and completely and I truly am interested
in getting a few intelligent answers. No kidding!

Who do you think is really responsible for this set of 18+ killings
in Pakistan and the over 100 wounded and Why??

This is not a small number of people! If around 120 people were
killed and wounded in attacks and rioting in the United States we
all would be rightfully appalled and shocked!

Who is at fault for these particular attacks in your opinion,
why do you think this has occurred and what should be done about it?

I have my own opinions of course but let's hear from some of you
who can articulate your differing viewpoints on this. It is a very
topical and important question with a number of similar violent
rioting incidents occurring in widespread sporadic outbreaks around
the world at this time. But to be specific, let's address this
particular series of attacks.

Who and why do you think? Let's hear it people!!!

drinker

Conrad_73's photo
Sun 09/23/12 02:11 AM



They should be encouraged to kill each other.:smile:
seems the Movie achieved just that!surprised

The 'movie did it' excuse is as valid as the used up race card.
well,them killing each other I mean!

metalwing's photo
Sun 09/23/12 02:24 AM


Fiery anti-U.S. demonstrations swept through Pakistan's capital and several other cities Friday as thousands of people furious over an anti-Islam film privately produced in America clashed with police in one of the worst waves of violence to hit the nation in recent years.

In Islamabad, protesters turned the city's tree-lined boulevards and avenues into a battle zone as they toppled freight containers set up as barriers and pelted riot police with rocks while unsuccessfully trying to storm a heavily guarded enclave housing the U.S. embassy and other diplomatic missions. Across the country, at least 18 people were killed in the violence and more than 100 more injured.

In the northwest city of Peshawar, protesters torched a movie house and clashed with police, who used tear gas to turn back demonstrators. There were reports of police opening fire to disperse protesters, and at least one person, a driver for a Pakistani television channel, died of a bullet wound, authorities said.
http://india.nydailynews.com/newsarticle/505cc523b7445c036a000000/at-least-18-dead-in-pakistan-anti-american-rioting#ixzz27CoWPF00

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:smile: OK, Who is responsible for that? :smile:



Well you all have rather disappointed me!

It is a very simple question, but no one had the guts to actually
answer the question honestly and completely and I truly am interested
in getting a few intelligent answers. No kidding!

Who do you think is really responsible for this set of 18+ killings
in Pakistan and the over 100 wounded and Why??

This is not a small number of people! If around 120 people were
killed and wounded in attacks and rioting in the United States we
all would be rightfully appalled and shocked!

Who is at fault for these particular attacks in your opinion,
why do you think this has occurred and what should be done about it?

I have my own opinions of course but let's hear from some of you
who can articulate your differing viewpoints on this. It is a very
topical and important question with a number of similar violent
rioting incidents occurring in widespread sporadic outbreaks around
the world at this time. But to be specific, let's address this
particular series of attacks.

Who and why do you think? Let's hear it people!!!

drinker


When I read this I though it was obvious that the "fault" was the world wide spread of radical Islamic radicalism. It starts with the preaching of the clerics and the spread of hatred by the Islamic governments. It proceeds to the home and the indoctrination received by the children who are raised to hate.

The why? To spread their version of culture throughout the world.

s1owhand's photo
Sun 09/23/12 02:34 AM
Edited by s1owhand on Sun 09/23/12 02:35 AM

When I read this I though it was obvious that the "fault" was the world wide spread of radical Islamic radicalism. It starts with the preaching of the clerics and the spread of hatred by the Islamic governments. It proceeds to the home and the indoctrination received by the children who are raised to hate.

The why? To spread their version of culture throughout the world.


Thanks metal.

I am still wondering though why they are preaching this hatred now
in the 21st century. This is hardly the middle ages. Why are they
raised to hate and be so narrowminded and intolerant of others
religions? This has not been true in general of Islam in early times.

There have been religious spasms of bloodletting in the past, forced
conversions, the violence against intellectuals in the cultural
revolution (anti religion violence also in the guise of communism too),
cultural genocide in Armenia and Rwanda....

What the hell is at the root of this latest spate of senseless
killing and abuse? Why can't these countries/peoples/religions
seem to get past the "us or them" mentality?

Ignorance is only a part of it...but I actually do not think they
all are animals or even ignorant....There obviously is some kind
of defensive or offensive psychology at work. It's pathological.

metalwing's photo
Sun 09/23/12 01:37 PM


When I read this I though it was obvious that the "fault" was the world wide spread of radical Islamic radicalism. It starts with the preaching of the clerics and the spread of hatred by the Islamic governments. It proceeds to the home and the indoctrination received by the children who are raised to hate.

The why? To spread their version of culture throughout the world.


Thanks metal.

I am still wondering though why they are preaching this hatred now
in the 21st century. This is hardly the middle ages. Why are they
raised to hate and be so narrowminded and intolerant of others
religions? This has not been true in general of Islam in early times.

There have been religious spasms of bloodletting in the past, forced
conversions, the violence against intellectuals in the cultural
revolution (anti religion violence also in the guise of communism too),
cultural genocide in Armenia and Rwanda....

What the hell is at the root of this latest spate of senseless
killing and abuse? Why can't these countries/peoples/religions
seem to get past the "us or them" mentality?

Ignorance is only a part of it...but I actually do not think they
all are animals or even ignorant....There obviously is some kind
of defensive or offensive psychology at work. It's pathological.


With the growth of technology comes the growth of information and the ability to spread it effectively. Propaganda has been tuned to a fine art and is now used effectively all over the world including America. The government "sells" whatever it is trying to sell and that concept may lack much truth. A theocracy mainly has only one idea to sell and that is it's religion. If the country, such as Iran, has clerics as the leaders and those leaders push a radical agenda, a cancer spreads as the children in the state run schools learn to hate. Later they are taught that it is OK to kill. Eventually, they have children and the process is self sustaining. The cancer spreads to other countries like the version of Islam Saudi Arabia (with it's great wealth) spreads around the world including the US.

Militant and political Islam

What connection, if any, there is between Wahhabism and Jihadi Salafis is disputed. Natana De Long-Bas, senior research assistant at the Prince Alwaleed Center for Muslim-Christian Understanding at Georgetown University, argues:

The militant Islam of Osama bin Laden did not have its origins in the teachings of Ibn Abd-al-Wahhab and was not representative of Wahhabi Islam as it is practiced in contemporary Saudi Arabia, yet for the media it came to define Wahhabi Islam during the later years of bin Laden's lifetime. However "unrepresentative" bin Laden's global jihad was of Islam in general and Wahhabi Islam in particular, its prominence in headline news took Wahhabi Islam across the spectrum from revival and reform to global jihad.[58]

Noah Feldman distinguishes between what he calls the "deeply conservative" Wahhabis and what he calls the "followers of political Islam in the 1980s and 1990s," such as Egyptian Islamic Jihad and later Al-Qaeda leader Ayman al-Zawahiri. While Saudi Wahhabis were "the largest funders of local Muslim Brotherhood chapters and other hard-line Islamists" during this time, they opposed jihadi resistance to Muslim governments and assassination of Muslim leaders because of their belief that "the decision to wage jihad lay with the ruler, not the individual believer".[59]

Karen Armstrong states that Osama bin Laden, like most extremists, followed the ideology of Sayyid Qutb, not "Wahhabism".[60]
from Wiki

The Saudi version of Wahhabi is very conservative and tries to push the understanding of the religion back to "an older time". You ask why these people cannot think and grow as modern humans. The fact is that they are being taught to go back to an older time and think like barbarians. We are products of our environment.

I still take the phrase, "Remember the Alamo" seriously. Texas was a nation before it was a state and those multi-generational residents, like myself, hold certain values not held in other places. Through multi-generational indoctrination, Radical Islam has created self sustaining haters of the West. In many cases the level of radicalism is boosted by current theocratic thinking.

The few are shaping the many.

willing2's photo
Sun 09/23/12 01:42 PM
To get away from being called a bigot and racist, I will have to start agreeing with the extremists, Liberals and potheads.

Long as they ain't doin' it over here, I could give a sheite.:wink:

I will not defend kang shabitch who is calling for killing and skinning of white babies. The libs, extremists and potheads might like the idea, but, that seems very bigoted, racist and chickensheite.

s1owhand's photo
Mon 09/24/12 08:41 AM
Well I think the point is that the Saudi funded schools which teach
Wahhabist Islam ARE bringing it over here and perhaps this should be
more widely recognized as a form of hate teaching and should be
prohibited or at least regulated as a potential source of incitement
to violence.

It is certainly disturbing to consider that the large number of Islamic
institutions being built, funded and supplied with radical Islamic
teaching materials may be very actively teaching intolerance of others
religious and political beliefs and advocating violent jihad to
oppose others religious and political beliefs.

So how should we regulate this?

willing2's photo
Mon 09/24/12 08:46 AM

Well I think the point is that the Saudi funded schools which teach
Wahhabist Islam ARE bringing it over here and perhaps this should be
more widely recognized as a form of hate teaching and should be
prohibited or at least regulated as a potential source of incitement
to violence.

It is certainly disturbing to consider that the large number of Islamic
institutions being built, funded and supplied with radical Islamic
teaching materials may be very actively teaching intolerance of others
religious and political beliefs and advocating violent jihad to
oppose others religious and political beliefs.

So how should we regulate this?

The WE can't.
You trust the Muslims in Gov to do anything to restrain their slime?