Topic: Mainstream Media Lapdogs Think Muslims Should be 'Grateful'
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Mon 09/17/12 09:44 AM
Glenn Greenwald
The Guardian UK
Fri, 14 Sep 2012 00:00 CDT

One prominent strain shaping American reaction to the protests in the Muslim world is bafflement, and even anger, that those Muslims are not more grateful to the US. After all, goes this thinking, the US bestowed them with the gifts of freedom and democracy


- the very rights they are now exercising - so how could they possibly be anything other than thankful? Under this worldview, it is especially confounding that the US, their savior and freedom-provider, would be the target of their rage.

On Wednesday, USA Today published an article with the headline "After attacks in Egypt and Libya, USA Today asks: Why?" The paper appeared to tell its readers that it was the US that freed the Egyptian people from tyranny:

"Attacks in Libya that left four US diplomats dead - including Ambassador Christopher Stevens - and a mob invasion of the US Embassy in Cairo, in which the US flag was torn to shreds, have left many to wonder: How can people the USA helped free from murderous dictators treat it in such a way?"

Did you know that the "USA helped free" Egyptians from their murderous dictator? On Thursday night, NBC News published a nine-minute report on Brian Williams' "Rock Center" program featuring its foreign correspondent, Richard Engel, reporting on the demonstrations in Cairo, which sounded exactly the same theme. Standing in front of protesting Egyptians in Tahrir Square, Engel informed viewers that this was all so very baffling because it was taking place "in Cairo, where the US turned its back on its old friend Hosni Mubarak", and then added:

"It is somewhat ironic with American diplomats inside the embassy who helped to give these demonstrators, these protesters, a voice, and allowed them to actually carry out these anti-American clashes that we're seeing right now."

That it was the US who freed Egyptians and "allowed them" the right to protest would undoubtedly come as a great surprise to many Egyptians. That is the case even beyond the decades of arming, funding and general support from the US for their hated dictator (to his credit, Engel including a snippet of an interview with Tariq Ramadan pointing out that the US long supported the region's dictators).

Beyond the long-term US support for Mubarak, Egyptians would likely find it difficult to reconcile Engel's claim that the US freed them with the "made in USA" logos on the tear gas cannisters used against them by Mubarak's security forces; or with Hillary Clinton's touching 2009 declaration that "I really consider President and Mrs Mubarak to be friends of my family"; or with Obama's support for Mubarak up until the very last minute when his downfall became inevitable; or with the fact that the Obama administration plan was to engineer the ascension of the loathed, US-loyal torturer Omar Suleiman as Mubarak's replacement in the name of "stability".

Given the history of the US in Egypt, both long-term and very recent, it takes an extraordinary degree of self-delusion and propaganda to depict Egyptian anger toward the US as "ironic" on the ground that it was the US who freed them and "allowed" them the right to protest. But that is precisely the theme being propagated by most US media outlets.

Even in Libya, where it's certainly true that many Libyans are happy about the Nato intervention, this bafflement is misplaced. It's always the case that some portion of the populace of an invaded nation will be happy about even the most unjustified invasions: that the Kurds are thrilled by the Iraq war is a fact still cited by Iraq war advocates as proof of the war's justness and wisdom.

But it's also the case that such invasions produce extreme anger, as well: among the families of those killed by the invading forces, or who suffer from the resulting lawlessness and instability. Combine that with the fact that it was repeatedly noted that US involvement in Libya meant that anti-US extremists, including al-Qaida, were being armed and empowered by the US, it is far from mystifying, as Secretary Clinton insisted, that some people in Libya are deeply hostile to the US and want to do it harm.

In the same report, Engel also spent several moments explaining that the primary reason these Muslims have such animosity toward the US is because their heads have been filled for years with crazy conspiracy theories about how the US and Israel are responsible for their woes. These conspiracies, he said, were fed to them by their dictators to distract attention from their own corruption.

Let's leave aside the irony of the American media decrying crazy "conspiracy theories" in other countries, when it is the US that attacked another country based on nonexistent weapons and fabricated secret alliances with al-Qaida. One should acknowledge that there is some truth to Engel's claim that the region's tyrants fueled citizen rage toward the US and Israel as a means of distracting from their own failings and corruption.

But to act as though Muslim anger toward the US and Israel is primarily the by-product of crazy conspiracy theories is itself a crazy conspiracy theory. It's in the world of reality, not conspiracy, where the US and Israel have continuously brought extreme amounts of violence to the Muslim world, routinely killing their innocent men, women and children. Listening to Engel, one would never know about tiny little matters like the bombing of Gaza and Lebanon, the almost five-decade long oppression of Palestinians, the widely hated, child-killing drone campaign, or the attack on Iraq.

And it's in the world of reality, not conspiracy, where the US really has continuously interfered in their countries' governance by propping up and supporting their dictators. Intense Muslim animosity toward the US, including in Egypt, long pre-dates this film, and the reasons aren't hard to discern. That's precisely why the US supported tyranny in these countries for so long: to ensure that the citizens' views, so contrary to US policy, would be suppressed and rendered irrelevant.

It doesn't take a propagandized populace to be angry at the US for such actions. It takes a propagandized populace to be shocked at that anger and to view it with bafflement and resentment on the ground that they should, instead, be grateful because we "freed" them.

But to see why exactly such a propagandized populace exists in the US and has been led to believe such myth and conspiracies, simply read that USA Today article or watch the NBC News report on these protests as they convince Americans that gratitude, rather than resentment, should be the sentiment people in that region feel toward the US.

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Mon 09/17/12 10:33 AM
We need to get all Americans out of the middle east then go over and nuke them.

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Mon 09/17/12 11:06 AM
Edited by alleoops on Mon 09/17/12 11:10 AM

We need to get all Americans out of the middle east then go over and nuke them.


OMG! noway

Ok, just a small one though.smile2

lilott's photo
Mon 09/17/12 11:26 AM
If they want to kill me over some stupid 13 minute video then I have no qualms wanting to blow them up.

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Mon 09/17/12 11:54 AM
Islam fears ANY criticism. If anything we need more movies like this to be spread and likewise educational documentaries on the facts behind the Quran. Let people here see the face of a faith they wish to extend tolerance towards. This was just an excuse to kill Americans. NOTHING MORE! Shineade O'Connor tore the picture of the pope in half on live TV declaring "this is the enemy of the people," which I actually seen live on TV! And there was not global violence. No embassies of Ireland being torn down. No air strikes on Ireland over that. She is from Ireland... She is Protestant. But the Catholics although angry were not vengeful.

I can put up with Christians and Scientology and Mormons and any other faith but Islam??? The others tolerate me but Islam??? Tolerance??? At what price to us???

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Mon 09/17/12 12:02 PM
I actually needed to get back on track here...

The media expects stuff sitting in an insulated box (air conditioned of course) to happen the way they predict but they forget there is a difference from the pretend world they make and the real one we all live in.

They "give" Islam freedom yet do not understand anything about "Islam." They think they can bang heads with men who "speak for god," over the people who believe them. Likewise they think that they can act culturally like themselves (dry, cold, calculating, manipulative, and emotion jerking) "doing business" in the status quo of here while culturally in the Middle East they are outraging people there with their presentation.

The sad thing is the educated ignorance prevalent in American society and in big business. This is what we get with an insulated aristocracy who doesn't live in the realities of what day to day people live in.

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Mon 09/17/12 02:07 PM

If they want to kill me over some stupid 13 minute video then I have no qualms wanting to blow them up.


Which would only drive us further in debt...I'm glad a good chunk of this forum is not the leader of this already doomed country.

"They're killing us, let's spend billions of dollars to remove them."

China will own us by the end of all of this nonsense.

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Mon 09/17/12 03:40 PM
its sad the destruction being caused over this

its also sad how idiotic our freedoms enable some to behave,,,,

the reason for such a film is uproar and ridicule,, well, they got it and brought it on many others too,,,,

truly sad,,,

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Mon 09/17/12 03:46 PM
The film is an invention of MSM.asleep

The mongrels were celebrating 9-11.

Ant idiot can see that.slaphead

I say, any Muslim that wants to show dey a$$ and/or preach separatism here in the US needs they a$$es shipped on over to Mecca before droppin' a nuke on 'em.

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Mon 09/17/12 03:48 PM
I doubt even MSM is that careless and stupid.

This was a private party exercising their freedom of speech and risking a whole lot of international relations just to be able to internationally ridicule someone....

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Mon 09/17/12 04:12 PM
Edited by willing2 on Mon 09/17/12 04:14 PM
Oh. The film is true and exists. Why pick just that one while there are thosands like it on the net.

MSM has already been caught lying about the reasons for the animals attacking.

Reporters do like Barry does. They read what they are told to read off teleprompters.

MSM directors produce the results they want to purvey.

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Mon 09/17/12 04:17 PM
The movie is no different from many others and more poorly done than most. The MSM is using the movie as an excuse because any other answer involves a failure by the Obama administration.

The attacks were planned in advance and a reaction to events that have occurred since 9/11.