Topic: Ethics question?
TBRich's photo
Tue 09/04/12 08:45 AM
After about 20 years, my ex still will bring this up- "Do you know how hard it was for me to get the courage to tell you that I loved you and do you remember what you said?" Of course, I do- I said what a coincidence I love me too! That woman has no sense of humour.

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Tue 09/04/12 08:46 AM


So ,I have trouble with this one. What do you do when someone who hasnt seen you in a while pays you a compliment about your appearance, but they dont look so good themself?

I always feel the 'proper' response when someone says something nice is a 'you too' or 'so do you' and I think most people are expecting that response

but what if its not true? do you say it anyway? if you dont or if you pay a different type of compliment is that offensive?


I guess a simple 'thanx' is fine, but then they may be offended if there is no compliment in return,,,,


this isnt really an issue, Im just tired, and I was wondering...lol

Those who compliments about looks,generally expects similar response as they have full attention towards the looks.

obviously,they wouldn't feel it proper if there is no compliment in return.


Some people,seldom pays attention towards the appearance & they pay compliments if really someone is looking very happy or really gorgeous,but they don't mind anyway...what compliment is returned to them.


Not true, as I have complimented people on looks and not expected something in return. I'd think it would be pretty obvious if someone were just fishing for compliments.

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Tue 09/04/12 08:55 AM



So ,I have trouble with this one. What do you do when someone who hasnt seen you in a while pays you a compliment about your appearance, but they dont look so good themself?

I always feel the 'proper' response when someone says something nice is a 'you too' or 'so do you' and I think most people are expecting that response

but what if its not true? do you say it anyway? if you dont or if you pay a different type of compliment is that offensive?


I guess a simple 'thanx' is fine, but then they may be offended if there is no compliment in return,,,,


this isnt really an issue, Im just tired, and I was wondering...lol

Those who compliments about looks,generally expects similar response as they have full attention towards the looks.

obviously,they wouldn't feel it proper if there is no compliment in return.


Some people,seldom pays attention towards the appearance & they pay compliments if really someone is looking very happy or really gorgeous,but they don't mind anyway...what compliment is returned to them.


Not true, as I have complimented people on looks and not expected something in return. I'd think it would be pretty obvious if someone were just fishing for compliments.


Why not true?

May be you are from the second category among both which I mentioned!


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Tue 09/04/12 09:14 AM




So ,I have trouble with this one. What do you do when someone who hasnt seen you in a while pays you a compliment about your appearance, but they dont look so good themself?

I always feel the 'proper' response when someone says something nice is a 'you too' or 'so do you' and I think most people are expecting that response

but what if its not true? do you say it anyway? if you dont or if you pay a different type of compliment is that offensive?


I guess a simple 'thanx' is fine, but then they may be offended if there is no compliment in return,,,,


this isnt really an issue, Im just tired, and I was wondering...lol

Those who compliments about looks,generally expects similar response as they have full attention towards the looks.

obviously,they wouldn't feel it proper if there is no compliment in return.


Some people,seldom pays attention towards the appearance & they pay compliments if really someone is looking very happy or really gorgeous,but they don't mind anyway...what compliment is returned to them.


Not true, as I have complimented people on looks and not expected something in return. I'd think it would be pretty obvious if someone were just fishing for compliments.


Why not true?

May be you are from the second category among both which I mentioned!




As I've just said, I have given compliments based on appearance. Your second category says those who seldom pay attention to appearance.

Either way, it doesn't matter. Some people will fish for compliments by giving compliments and expecting some in return. Some won't. Those who give insincere compliments in order to receive them will end up showing that's what they're doing in my opinion.

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Tue 09/04/12 09:26 AM





So ,I have trouble with this one. What do you do when someone who hasnt seen you in a while pays you a compliment about your appearance, but they dont look so good themself?

I always feel the 'proper' response when someone says something nice is a 'you too' or 'so do you' and I think most people are expecting that response

but what if its not true? do you say it anyway? if you dont or if you pay a different type of compliment is that offensive?


I guess a simple 'thanx' is fine, but then they may be offended if there is no compliment in return,,,,


this isnt really an issue, Im just tired, and I was wondering...lol

Those who compliments about looks,generally expects similar response as they have full attention towards the looks.

obviously,they wouldn't feel it proper if there is no compliment in return.


Some people,seldom pays attention towards the appearance & they pay compliments if really someone is looking very happy or really gorgeous,but they don't mind anyway...what compliment is returned to them.


Not true, as I have complimented people on looks and not expected something in return. I'd think it would be pretty obvious if someone were just fishing for compliments.


Why not true?

May be you are from the second category among both which I mentioned!




As I've just said, I have given compliments based on appearance. Your second category says those who seldom pay attention to appearance.

Either way, it doesn't matter. Some people will fish for compliments by giving compliments and expecting some in return. Some won't. Those who give insincere compliments in order to receive them will end up showing that's what they're doing in my opinion.


Seldom don't mean never.



I'm agreed with you about fishing people....they are actually inordinately desirous,nothing else.

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Tue 09/04/12 09:32 AM
I guess my issue is with this line "obviously,they wouldn't feel it proper if there is no compliment in return. " If that's the case, it's obvious that they're just fishing for compliments.

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Tue 09/04/12 09:45 AM




{part one}
Those who compliments about looks,generally expects similar response as they have full attention towards the looks.

obviously,they wouldn't feel it proper if there is no compliment in return.

{part two}
Some people,seldom pays attention towards the appearance & they pay compliments if really someone is looking very happy or really gorgeous,but they don't mind anyway...what compliment is returned to them.

{unimaginably pointing to part two, but an incredibly strong reference to part 1}
Not true, as I have complimented people on looks and not expected something in return. I'd think it would be pretty obvious if someone were just fishing for compliments.


Why not true?

May be you are from the second category among both which I mentioned!




As I've just said, I have given compliments based on appearance. Your second category says those who seldom pay attention to appearance.

Either way, it doesn't matter. {it does matter. You can't oppose some other opinion and when you are proven wrong you say "it does not matter." It degrades the other person's happiness over winning an argument, and degrades your sensation of negative feelings over losing an argument. By saying "Yes, you won, but it does not matter" is a classic example of "sour loser".
I really wish you'd smarten up on these forums.
You are a smart woman, but you make two major mistakes: 1. You very often only read the first or beginning part of posts, this is not the only time it happened, and respond to that. The remedy to that is that we ask you to please read each and every post to its end before you respond. 2. When you are pointed out the mistake arising from 1., then you backpedal and explain your report card. Sometimes it works, sometimes your backpedalling does not work. }

{Case in point: your backpedalling did not work here because you said "}the second category seldodm pays attention to appearance.{" Yes, but it does not say "never pays attention to appearance".}

{Whereas the person said, "they pay compliments if really someone is looking very happy or really gorgeous,". This is not at all saying "seldom paying attention to appearance". Nobody can avoid noticing appearance; a compliment in this second case was because the person looked particularly good. None of your dismissal to the second part that you claim actually applies.}

{So this does not apply, at all:}
Some people will fish for compliments by giving compliments and expecting some in return.

Some won't. Those who give insincere compliments in order to receive them will end up showing that's what they're doing in my opinion.

{in the quote you respond to, there is no mention of insincere compliments or their return and the motivation. What you are doing here is a fallacy that has a name in classical logic, which replaces the focus to an irrelevant subject and proves that the irrelevant subject is wrong. But that has no bearing on the original subject.}


My suggestion to you, Singmesweet, is simple: read each quote to the very end before you respond. I am not saying you should own up or smarten up. You are a very smart woman with a very good mind. You will make no mistake in logic if you respond to what is actually said, not to only the first half of what is actually said.

You are critical, and fine, so am I. You need to learn to criticize properly, though, which involves many things, including, like I already said, not focussing only on one part of a statement but evaluating the whole statemen before you'd make a comment.

Watch: if you follow this advice, you will never have to resort to backpedalling and explaining yourself.

You won't make yourself any more popular, but at least you won't be irritating me. And that's something, too.

wux's photo
Tue 09/04/12 09:54 AM
Edited by wux on Tue 09/04/12 09:57 AM

I guess my issue is with this line "obviously,they wouldn't feel it proper if there is no compliment in return. " If that's the case, it's obvious that they're just fishing for compliments.


It's not obvious. The person who pays the first compliment may pay it due to sincerely feeling that the person in front looks good.

Then they expect the compliment returned. Maybe. It's not guaranteed. It's more a social norm to return compliments, it is an expectation of social customs, not only and necessarily an expectation of the first person who pays a compliment; in fact, they may not expect it, other than due to their awareness of social norms and customs.

But they are not fishing for it. Because the first reason they said it was not to fish, but because the person in front of them looks good. Truly. Not a lie.

So then the focus turns to the other person. He or she thinks: "I was given a compliment. Does she want it returned? If yes, I have to be insincere, because the complimenter (of first compliment) does not look good. So is it worth to be insincere, just to comfort to social customs? Because I will be giving and insincere compliment. Which will be an insult to both of us, but then again, she perhaps expects it, perhaps does not expect it, but at any rate social customs dictate me to do so."

And this is EXACTLY the dillema that the OP asked about.

In other words, your backpedalling lead you to paraphrase the question of the OP, and to nothing else.

Not very productive, but hey, nobody here gets paid for leaving comments.

krupa's photo
Tue 09/04/12 10:14 AM
Simple ....use misdirection to steer the conversation away from pointing out that life has given them the finger.

It ain't lying....and pointing out the obvious helps no one.

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Tue 09/04/12 10:26 AM

I guess my issue is with this line "obviously,they wouldn't feel it proper if there is no compliment in return. " If that's the case, it's obvious that they're just fishing for compliments.


Can't really be obvious!

Some people are so particular about giving & receiving compliments that they really feel bad if their compliment is not properly addressed & or or returned,they are of course smart enough to keep themselves neat & clean before admiring someone else,that's why I said there..."as they have full attention towards the looks"

Fishing could be the third category.Yes,they really exists...& are really crazy about that; but typically sincere people wouldn't ever admire those who are not really neat & clean,neither on their own nor in response to their compliment!

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Tue 09/04/12 10:28 AM
Edited by singmesweet on Tue 09/04/12 10:40 AM





{part one}
Those who compliments about looks,generally expects similar response as they have full attention towards the looks.

obviously,they wouldn't feel it proper if there is no compliment in return.

{part two}
Some people,seldom pays attention towards the appearance & they pay compliments if really someone is looking very happy or really gorgeous,but they don't mind anyway...what compliment is returned to them.

{unimaginably pointing to part two, but an incredibly strong reference to part 1}
Not true, as I have complimented people on looks and not expected something in return. I'd think it would be pretty obvious if someone were just fishing for compliments.


Why not true?

May be you are from the second category among both which I mentioned!




As I've just said, I have given compliments based on appearance. Your second category says those who seldom pay attention to appearance.

Either way, it doesn't matter. {it does matter. You can't oppose some other opinion and when you are proven wrong you say "it does not matter." It degrades the other person's happiness over winning an argument, and degrades your sensation of negative feelings over losing an argument. By saying "Yes, you won, but it does not matter" is a classic example of "sour loser".
I really wish you'd smarten up on these forums.
You are a smart woman, but you make two major mistakes: 1. You very often only read the first or beginning part of posts, this is not the only time it happened, and respond to that. The remedy to that is that we ask you to please read each and every post to its end before you respond. 2. When you are pointed out the mistake arising from 1., then you backpedal and explain your report card. Sometimes it works, sometimes your backpedalling does not work. }

{Case in point: your backpedalling did not work here because you said "}the second category seldodm pays attention to appearance.{" Yes, but it does not say "never pays attention to appearance".}

{Whereas the person said, "they pay compliments if really someone is looking very happy or really gorgeous,". This is not at all saying "seldom paying attention to appearance". Nobody can avoid noticing appearance; a compliment in this second case was because the person looked particularly good. None of your dismissal to the second part that you claim actually applies.}

{So this does not apply, at all:}
Some people will fish for compliments by giving compliments and expecting some in return.

Some won't. Those who give insincere compliments in order to receive them will end up showing that's what they're doing in my opinion.

{in the quote you respond to, there is no mention of insincere compliments or their return and the motivation. What you are doing here is a fallacy that has a name in classical logic, which replaces the focus to an irrelevant subject and proves that the irrelevant subject is wrong. But that has no bearing on the original subject.}


My suggestion to you, Singmesweet, is simple: read each quote to the very end before you respond. I am not saying you should own up or smarten up. You are a very smart woman with a very good mind. You will make no mistake in logic if you respond to what is actually said, not to only the first half of what is actually said.

You are critical, and fine, so am I. You need to learn to criticize properly, though, which involves many things, including, like I already said, not focussing only on one part of a statement but evaluating the whole statemen before you'd make a comment.

Watch: if you follow this advice, you will never have to resort to backpedalling and explaining yourself.

You won't make yourself any more popular, but at least you won't be irritating me. And that's something, too.


My suggestion to you, wux, is not to assume that I or others didn't read the full post just because you do not agree with the response. I did in fact read the whole thing. It just didn't seem to make sense, hence my response. No need to talk down to me simply because you did not like the way I responded. I'm not here to make myself more popular. There will always be people who don't like my posts, as not everyone is going to like what everyone else has to say. If I irritate you, don't read my posts. It really is as simple as that.

Awfully demanding, though, to say I need to respond the way you tell me to in order to be more popular. More popular with who? You? There are several people here I get along with very well, so I don't see that as being a problem. :smile:

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Tue 09/04/12 10:30 AM


I guess my issue is with this line "obviously,they wouldn't feel it proper if there is no compliment in return. " If that's the case, it's obvious that they're just fishing for compliments.


Can't really be obvious!

Some people are so particular about giving & receiving compliments that they really feel bad if their compliment is not properly addressed & or or returned,they are of course smart enough to keep themselves neat & clean before admiring someone else,that's why I said there..."as they have full attention towards the looks"

Fishing could be the third category.Yes,they really exists...& are really crazy about that; but typically sincere people wouldn't ever admire those who are not really neat & clean,neither on their own nor in response to their compliment!



We'll just have to agree to disagree. If someone is giving a compliment and expecting one in return, that would, in my opinion, be fishing for a compliment. If you wish to separate these things in different categories, have at it :).

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Tue 09/04/12 10:36 AM
Edited by prashant01 on Tue 09/04/12 10:39 AM




{part one}
Those who compliments about looks,generally expects similar response as they have full attention towards the looks.

obviously,they wouldn't feel it proper if there is no compliment in return.

{part two}
Some people,seldom pays attention towards the appearance & they pay compliments if really someone is looking very happy or really gorgeous,but they don't mind anyway...what compliment is returned to them.

{unimaginably pointing to part two, but an incredibly strong reference to part 1}
Not true, as I have complimented people on looks and not expected something in return. I'd think it would be pretty obvious if someone were just fishing for compliments.


Why not true?

May be you are from the second category among both which I mentioned!




As I've just said, I have given compliments based on appearance. Your second category says those who seldom pay attention to appearance.

Either way, it doesn't matter. {it does matter. You can't oppose some other opinion and when you are proven wrong you say "it does not matter." It degrades the other person's happiness over winning an argument, and degrades your sensation of negative feelings over losing an argument. By saying "Yes, you won, but it does not matter" is a classic example of "sour loser".
I really wish you'd smarten up on these forums.
You are a smart woman, but you make two major mistakes: 1. You very often only read the first or beginning part of posts, this is not the only time it happened, and respond to that. The remedy to that is that we ask you to please read each and every post to its end before you respond. 2. When you are pointed out the mistake arising from 1., then you backpedal and explain your report card. Sometimes it works, sometimes your backpedalling does not work. }

{Case in point: your backpedalling did not work here because you said "}the second category seldodm pays attention to appearance.{" Yes, but it does not say "never pays attention to appearance".}

{Whereas the person said, "they pay compliments if really someone is looking very happy or really gorgeous,". This is not at all saying "seldom paying attention to appearance". Nobody can avoid noticing appearance; a compliment in this second case was because the person looked particularly good. None of your dismissal to the second part that you claim actually applies.}

{So this does not apply, at all:}
Some people will fish for compliments by giving compliments and expecting some in return.

Some won't. Those who give insincere compliments in order to receive them will end up showing that's what they're doing in my opinion.

{in the quote you respond to, there is no mention of insincere compliments or their return and the motivation. What you are doing here is a fallacy that has a name in classical logic, which replaces the focus to an irrelevant subject and proves that the irrelevant subject is wrong. But that has no bearing on the original subject.}


You are such a wise man,wux!!Every sentence is full of wisdom,really.

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Tue 09/04/12 10:45 AM



I guess my issue is with this line "obviously,they wouldn't feel it proper if there is no compliment in return. " If that's the case, it's obvious that they're just fishing for compliments.


Can't really be obvious!

Some people are so particular about giving & receiving compliments that they really feel bad if their compliment is not properly addressed & or or returned,they are of course smart enough to keep themselves neat & clean before admiring someone else,that's why I said there..."as they have full attention towards the looks"

Fishing could be the third category.Yes,they really exists...& are really crazy about that; but typically sincere people wouldn't ever admire those who are not really neat & clean,neither on their own nor in response to their compliment!



We'll just have to agree to disagree. If someone is giving a compliment and expecting one in return, that would, in my opinion, be fishing for a compliment. If you wish to separate these things in different categories, have at it :).


It's not about what I wish ,but these are actually distinct categories.

Mannerism & Fishing are TOO distinct to mess with.

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Tue 09/04/12 10:50 AM
They're distinct categories based on what? Are you saying they're specific categories listed somewhere that have to do with compliments? They weren't just your opinion?

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Tue 09/04/12 11:10 AM

They're distinct categories based on what? Are you saying they're specific categories listed somewhere that have to do with compliments? They weren't just your opinion?


TOO DISTINCT.... based on their behavior in context of this on going topic of course.

Yes,these are my opinion & I'm happy that I could put them clearly.

Sorry,don't have enough time to search for any listing.

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Tue 09/04/12 11:15 AM


They're distinct categories based on what? Are you saying they're specific categories listed somewhere that have to do with compliments? They weren't just your opinion?


TOO DISTINCT.... based on their behavior in context of this on going topic of course.

Yes,these are my opinion & I'm happy that I could put them clearly.

Sorry,don't have enough time to search for any listing.



No need. You said they were distinct categories, so that's why I asked. I figured they were your opinion.

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Tue 09/04/12 11:20 AM



They're distinct categories based on what? Are you saying they're specific categories listed somewhere that have to do with compliments? They weren't just your opinion?


TOO DISTINCT.... based on their behavior in context of this on going topic of course.

Yes,these are my opinion & I'm happy that I could put them clearly.

Sorry,don't have enough time to search for any listing.



No need. You said they were distinct categories, so that's why I asked. I figured they were your opinion.

hey come on...I already said ( though i need not say) that these are of course my opinion & they are really so clearly distinct from each other,I wonder how any one can mess up between them!!




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Tue 09/04/12 11:22 AM




They're distinct categories based on what? Are you saying they're specific categories listed somewhere that have to do with compliments? They weren't just your opinion?


TOO DISTINCT.... based on their behavior in context of this on going topic of course.

Yes,these are my opinion & I'm happy that I could put them clearly.

Sorry,don't have enough time to search for any listing.



No need. You said they were distinct categories, so that's why I asked. I figured they were your opinion.

hey come on...I already said ( though i need not say) that these are of course my opinion & they are really so clearly distinct from each other,I wonder how any one can mess up between them!!






Relax, man. I was saying there's no need to search for anything. You answered the question I asked.

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Tue 09/04/12 11:24 AM
How bad do these people look that you can't think of something nice to say? How about just "thank you! It's so wonderful to see you after all this time!"