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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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If you "rest your case" on that point.... you will lose.
It is obvious that you can't get past your emotional reaction and outrage that the protocols presumes to be about Jews. The clue is in the title. Have you actually read this document? This argument is foolish and just a facile diversion. [I provided you with a link where they were declared a forgery some time ago, if you wish to argue that, go right ahead, but I'm not interested in your sophist crap. I am not disputing that the protocols of the elders of Zion that you are so disgusted with point to the Jews. Yes they do. And Yes of course I have read them. But as you have said, they have been declared plagiarized and a "forgery." Correct? One question would be ....What are the Protocols a forgery of? What was the original document? How is it a forgery? Can you answer that question? If it is a forgery, what is it a forger of? I also do not dispute your claim that "they were declared a forgery some time ago.." I am very familiar with that long detailed story. What I am attempting to do is to get you to look past your own personal outrage, and notice that if you replace the reference to "Jews" with anyone else, --- the Protocols are still detailed instructions for global domination! ... and those instructions are being followed to the letter by someone. ***** Now if you are so interested in the Protocols and you want to discuss the details of how those instructions for global domination are being carried out in this world today we can go over them in some other thread point by point. Just leave out the Jews so you can use your logic in a level headed manner. ****** |
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Edited by
HotRodDeluxe
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Mon 09/03/12 04:42 PM
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It is obvious that you can't get past your emotional reaction and outrage that the protocols presumes to be about Jews. The clue is in the title. Have you actually read this document? This argument is foolish and just a facile diversion. [I provided you with a link where they were declared a forgery some time ago, if you wish to argue that, go right ahead, but I'm not interested in your sophist crap. I am not disputing that the protocols of the elders of Zion that you are so disgusted with point to the Jews. Yest they do.
So why use the phrase 'presumes to be about Jews'? It is about Jews. And Yes of course I have read them. But as you have said, they have been declared plagiarized and a "forgery." Correct?
Yes, as the paper states, a literary forgery. We had a similar situation here in Australia a few years ago with the Helen Demidenko scandal-fiction misrepresented as non-fiction, therefore a literary forgery. One question would be ....What is the Protocols a forgery of?
Forgery (def.): "The creation of a false written document or alteration of a genuine one, with the intent to defraud." What was the original document? How is it a forgery? Can you answer that question? If it is a forgery, what is it a forger of?
See above, your personal definition is not the same as the legal definition. I also do not dispute your claim that "they were declared a forgery some time ago.." I am very familiar with that long detailed story.
Well, if you did you wouldn't have a case. What I am attempting to do is to get you to look past your own personal outrage...
Making stuff up again? ...and notice that if you replace the reference to "Jews" with anyone else, --- the Protocols are still detailed instructions for global domination!
Of course, but that isn't germain to this debate. ... and those instructions are being followed to the letter by someone.
In your opinion. So, has this diversion proved anything? No. It is still an anti-Semitic document and a literary forgery that has been used to justify genocide and anti-Semitic libel. Whether you believe Jews, Lizards or Aliens are behind some imaginary plot for world domination, or not is irrelevant to this debate. |
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Edited by
HotRodDeluxe
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Mon 09/03/12 04:44 PM
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Now if you are so interested in the Protocols and you want to discuss the details of how those instructions for global domination are being carried out in this world today we can go over them in some other thread point by point. No, that is just a diversion from the issue. Have you forgotten what this thread is about? Just leave out the Jews so you can use your logic in a level headed manner.
Pathetic. This thread is about 'Jews'. Your BS doesn't fool anyone. As for my logic, I managed to stay on topic providing relevant evidence without building strawman and other logical fallicies that are so often a feature of your so-called 'debating' techniques.If you spent as much time researching as you do on ranting and raving, one day you may be taken seriously. |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Mon 09/03/12 04:50 PM
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"germain to this debate?"
Then YOU are debating with yourself. Your opinion of the Protocols is your business. I do not dispute that, as written, it implicates a Jewish plot for world domination. Now let me direct your attention to a quote from the website you referred me to. This is what they said: A rewritten version of the book now called the Protocols of the Elders of Zion was printed privately the same year as the First Zionist Congress in 1897 and later published in 1905 in the second edition of a book titled The Great Within the Small.
The publisher's contradictory remarks about the origin of the text led to a claim of forgery. That and the fact that the text was rewritten to expose a Jewish conspiracy allowed for a 1920 London Times article to denounce it as a hoax. But it is well known the Jewish involvement in the French Revolution, and later in the Jewish Bolshevik Revolution the Protocols rightly gained credibility. Still many other protocols have now come true with utmost accuracy and because the protocols never claimed that 'all Jews were plotting against the gentiles' but that a small group of Jews and wealthy members of a secret society were involved in a plot for world domination there is no reason not to believe the truth of which reality has proven. We must only assume that the Jews referred to in the protocols do not necessarily reflect the actions or intentions of all Jews but of a small group of Zionist Jews as well as gentile oligarchs, rulers and Freemasons. So, one can see now the true revolt against civilization. A constant subversion and perversion of the old order of things leads a path for the despotic way of the new world order. No man, woman, or child, gentile or Jew, in support of this new world order shall remain unpunished. http://rense.com/general45/proto.htm |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Mon 09/03/12 04:53 PM
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Now if you are so interested in the Protocols and you want to discuss the details of how those instructions for global domination are being carried out in this world today we can go over them in some other thread point by point. No, that is just a diversion from the issue. Have you forgotten what this thread is about? Just leave out the Jews so you can use your logic in a level headed manner.
Pathetic. This thread is about 'Jews'. Your BS doesn't fool anyone. As for my logic, I managed to stay on topic providing relevant evidence without building strawman and other logical fallicies that are so often a feature of your so-called 'debating' techniques.If you spent as much time researching as you do on ranting and raving, one day you may be taken seriously. No this thread is about: Israeli Navy Chases Fishing Boats You brought up the subject of the Protocols and linked to the Rense.com article.... which I quoted above. I don't think you even read it all. |
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Now if you are so interested in the Protocols and you want to discuss the details of how those instructions for global domination are being carried out in this world today we can go over them in some other thread point by point. No, that is just a diversion from the issue. Have you forgotten what this thread is about? Just leave out the Jews so you can use your logic in a level headed manner.
Pathetic. This thread is about 'Jews'. Your BS doesn't fool anyone. As for my logic, I managed to stay on topic providing relevant evidence without building strawman and other logical fallicies that are so often a feature of your so-called 'debating' techniques.If you spent as much time researching as you do on ranting and raving, one day you may be taken seriously. No this thread is about: Israeli Navy Chases Fishing Boats You brought up the subject of the Protocols and linked to a Rense.com article. I know, but of course it was taken off topic and it focussed on the Jews. Did you go away and miss this? I did bring up the protocols as it is a document that has become the foundation for modern anti-Semitic literature. Did you miss this? |
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"germain to this debate?"
Then YOU are debating with yourself. Your opinion of the Protocols is your business. I do not dispute that, as written, it implicates a Jewish plot for world domination. Now let me direct your attention to a quote from the website you referred me to. This is what they said: A rewritten version of the book now called the Protocols of the Elders of Zion was printed privately the same year as the First Zionist Congress in 1897 and later published in 1905 in the second edition of a book titled The Great Within the Small.
The publisher's contradictory remarks about the origin of the text led to a claim of forgery. That and the fact that the text was rewritten to expose a Jewish conspiracy allowed for a 1920 London Times article to denounce it as a hoax. But it is well known the Jewish involvement in the French Revolution, and later in the Jewish Bolshevik Revolution the Protocols rightly gained credibility. Still many other protocols have now come true with utmost accuracy and because the protocols never claimed that 'all Jews were plotting against the gentiles' but that a small group of Jews and wealthy members of a secret society were involved in a plot for world domination there is no reason not to believe the truth of which reality has proven. We must only assume that the Jews referred to in the protocols do not necessarily reflect the actions or intentions of all Jews but of a small group of Zionist Jews as well as gentile oligarchs, rulers and Freemasons. So, one can see now the true revolt against civilization. A constant subversion and perversion of the old order of things leads a path for the despotic way of the new world order. No man, woman, or child, gentile or Jew, in support of this new world order shall remain unpunished. http://rense.com/general45/proto.htm That is not from the article, but merely a comment made by some nutter. Read it again, it is by an individual identified as 'Q'. |
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Well you apparently missed this: Quoted from the link you posted:
A rewritten version of the book now called the Protocols of the Elders of Zion was printed privately the same year as the First Zionist Congress in 1897 and later published in 1905 in the second edition of a book titled The Great Within the Small. The publisher's contradictory remarks about the origin of the text led to a claim of forgery. That and the fact that the text was rewritten to expose a Jewish conspiracy allowed for a 1920 London Times article to denounce it as a hoax. But it is well known the Jewish involvement in the French Revolution, and later in the Jewish Bolshevik Revolution the Protocols rightly gained credibility. Still many other protocols have now come true with utmost accuracy and because the protocols never claimed that 'all Jews were plotting against the gentiles' but that a small group of Jews and wealthy members of a secret society were involved in a plot for world domination there is no reason not to believe the truth of which reality has proven. We must only assume that the Jews referred to in the protocols do not necessarily reflect the actions or intentions of all Jews but of a small group of Zionist Jews as well as gentile oligarchs, rulers and Freemasons. So, one can see now the true revolt against civilization. A constant subversion and perversion of the old order of things leads a path for the despotic way of the new world order. No man, woman, or child, gentile or Jew, in support of this new world order shall remain unpunished. |
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Edited by
HotRodDeluxe
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Mon 09/03/12 04:57 PM
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I don't think you even read it all. Did you? Why are you misrepresenting a comment as part of the article? Is your comprehension that bad, or are you being deceitful? Commentary From Q 12-9-3 Did you miss this? |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Mon 09/03/12 04:58 PM
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"germain to this debate?"
Then YOU are debating with yourself. Your opinion of the Protocols is your business. I do not dispute that, as written, it implicates a Jewish plot for world domination. Now let me direct your attention to a quote from the website you referred me to. This is what they said: A rewritten version of the book now called the Protocols of the Elders of Zion was printed privately the same year as the First Zionist Congress in 1897 and later published in 1905 in the second edition of a book titled The Great Within the Small.
The publisher's contradictory remarks about the origin of the text led to a claim of forgery. That and the fact that the text was rewritten to expose a Jewish conspiracy allowed for a 1920 London Times article to denounce it as a hoax. But it is well known the Jewish involvement in the French Revolution, and later in the Jewish Bolshevik Revolution the Protocols rightly gained credibility. Still many other protocols have now come true with utmost accuracy and because the protocols never claimed that 'all Jews were plotting against the gentiles' but that a small group of Jews and wealthy members of a secret society were involved in a plot for world domination there is no reason not to believe the truth of which reality has proven. We must only assume that the Jews referred to in the protocols do not necessarily reflect the actions or intentions of all Jews but of a small group of Zionist Jews as well as gentile oligarchs, rulers and Freemasons. So, one can see now the true revolt against civilization. A constant subversion and perversion of the old order of things leads a path for the despotic way of the new world order. No man, woman, or child, gentile or Jew, in support of this new world order shall remain unpunished. http://rense.com/general45/proto.htm That is not from the article, but merely a comment made by some nutter. Read it again, it is by an individual identified as 'Q'. Nutter? I don't think so. That is just your opinion, and everyone has one. I agree with him. A Revision Or Rewrite Does Not Always Equal 'Forgery' |
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I don't think you even read it all. Did you? Why are you misrepresenting a comment as part of the article? Is your comprehension that bad, or are you being deceitful? Commentary From Q 12-9-3 Did you miss this? There is no place for comments on that page. Hence, I have to assume that the "commentary" was placed there purposely and by design. |
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"germain to this debate?"
Then YOU are debating with yourself. Your opinion of the Protocols is your business. I do not dispute that, as written, it implicates a Jewish plot for world domination. Now let me direct your attention to a quote from the website you referred me to. This is what they said: A rewritten version of the book now called the Protocols of the Elders of Zion was printed privately the same year as the First Zionist Congress in 1897 and later published in 1905 in the second edition of a book titled The Great Within the Small.
The publisher's contradictory remarks about the origin of the text led to a claim of forgery. That and the fact that the text was rewritten to expose a Jewish conspiracy allowed for a 1920 London Times article to denounce it as a hoax. But it is well known the Jewish involvement in the French Revolution, and later in the Jewish Bolshevik Revolution the Protocols rightly gained credibility. Still many other protocols have now come true with utmost accuracy and because the protocols never claimed that 'all Jews were plotting against the gentiles' but that a small group of Jews and wealthy members of a secret society were involved in a plot for world domination there is no reason not to believe the truth of which reality has proven. We must only assume that the Jews referred to in the protocols do not necessarily reflect the actions or intentions of all Jews but of a small group of Zionist Jews as well as gentile oligarchs, rulers and Freemasons. So, one can see now the true revolt against civilization. A constant subversion and perversion of the old order of things leads a path for the despotic way of the new world order. No man, woman, or child, gentile or Jew, in support of this new world order shall remain unpunished. http://rense.com/general45/proto.htm That is not from the article, but merely a comment made by some nutter. Read it again, it is by an individual identified as 'Q'. Nutter? I don't think so. That is just your opinion, and everyone has one. I agree with him. Well, that is hardly surprising. A Revision Or Rewrite Does Not Always Equal 'Forgery'
It was neither and it is a forgery in the legal sense, just deal with it. |
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I don't think you even read it all. Did you? Why are you misrepresenting a comment as part of the article? Is your comprehension that bad, or are you being deceitful? Commentary From Q 12-9-3 Did you miss this? There is no place for comments on that page. Hence, I have to assume that the "commentary" was placed there purposely and by design. Of course it was placed there by design. It is still a commentary and is labelled as such. What is wrong with you? |
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Everyone has their opinions. |
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Edited by
HotRodDeluxe
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Mon 09/03/12 05:18 PM
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Everyone has their opinions. Well, there's a revelation. Some are based on evidence and facts, while others are based on bias and prejudice which of course, was my original point.
Around and around...the same old ground |
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Everyone has their opinions. Well, there's a revelation. Some are based on evidence and facts, while others are based on bias and prejudice which of course, was my original point.
Around and around...the same old ground You couldn't leave it alone could you? You couldn't just leave your remark "Well, there's a revelation." You had to go further didn't you? Always casting out your snide innuendos. You can't ever show any respect for anyone else's opinions. How distasteful. 
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Edited by
HotRodDeluxe
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Tue 09/04/12 02:27 AM
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You couldn't leave it alone could you? You couldn't just leave your remark "Well, there's a revelation." You had to go further didn't you? Well, it was my point before the protracted digression. Always casting out your snide innuendos. You can't ever show any respect for anyone else's opinions.
The martyr? Physician, heal thyself! |
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Everyone has their opinions. Well, there's a revelation. Some are based on evidence and facts, while others are based on bias and prejudice which of course, was my original point.
Around and around...the same old ground 
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There seems to be a campaign in America that encourages and even applauds anti-muslim and anti-Arab sentiment which is no different than what happened in Germany with anti-Jew sentiment. If you want to get politically incorrect it goes like this: "Arab and Muslims hate Jews and Americans and are all a bunch of terrorists. Their goal is to take over the entire world and install their own Muslim based law." "Jews control the media, and the money and their goal is to take over the entire world and install their own dictator." The truth is that a secret society that evolved from the Knights Templar and the Vatican, into the idea of Central Banking and the control of the world's wealth is what is running the show. It has nothing to do with Arab or Jewish people. The Knights Templar ceased to exist in the 14th century because of the church. The Templars were arrested, tried and executed in show trials and there was nothing left of them. The modern groups claiming to be templars started in the 18th centuary as nothing more then fraternaties and people seem to ignore or be blind to the 400 year gap where they didn't exist and declined. If you say so. The thing is.... a secret society is.... um... secret. The History of the Knights Templar is... er... accurate of course, as all History is of course always very accurate. (  )
If they are so secret how do you know so much about them? 
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If they are so secret how do you know so much about them?
The University of Google.
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