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Edited by
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I might add, that if you are Jewish and that is the reason you are getting so defensive of Israel, I am sorry you feel so paranoid and threatened by the critisizm of Israel and the Zionist agenda which I feel is devious and deceptive. I am not Jewish, but I abhor racism, hence my stance. You avoided the meat of my question again, this tactic is quite boring and these diversions are quite telling. Why do you never criticise any other nation except the US and Israel? It is the same for American politics which I feel is very corrupt. That does not mean I hate "Amerians." (That would be absurd.)
It is absurd, but anti-semitism is another matter. If you are not involved with the corruption and the crimes of the State of Israel yourself personally, I don't know why you would be so defensive. Unless perhaps you just don't want to believe it?
I prefer to use reason as opposed to villification. If Israel was so good, so kind, so civil and so fair and just, do you think they would be so hated?
Anti-semitism is as old as Christianity, and not limited to Christians. If they would spend the same time and effort helping others as they do "defending" themselves (with violence) against their enemies then they would probably not have any enemies at all.
I'm sorry, but history denotes otherwise. You just don't attract that much hatred for no reason.
So, using this logic, anti-semitism is justified? It is universally imposible and against the laws of nature and the law of vibration.
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Hell, you have no real way of knowing who is Jewish and who is not. They are of all different races, ethnic backgrounds, skin colors etc.
Irrelevant and typical anti-semitic propaganda.
Really? I was told that by slowhand I think. Or someone else who was defending the crimes of the Israli Cabal.
In any case I got that so-called "anti-Semite propaganda" from one of you guys who spend your time labeling everything "anti-Semite." So now you are calling your own rhetoric anti-Semitic. So are you saying that Jews are not found in all different races, ethnic backgrounds and skin colors? Would you like me to post some pictures again? Don't bother, you merely misinterpreted my post and went off on a wild tangent. The argument of ethnicity is irrelevant. Don't you get that? To labour that point is anti-semitic in itself. Can't you see that? It has been promulgated for over a century and it's irrelevant. If an individual identifies him or herself is Jewish it doesn't matter where that person was born. Do you think Stalin or Hitler gave a flying phuque about it? The whole Khazak argument is just irrelevant. I don't know how you arrived at your interpretation. If you are suggesting that the term "Jewish" simply represents a religion, then I would say to you that those Zionists who are secular atheists are NOT JEWISH even if they do have Jewish mothers. But I have been told repeatedly that "Jewish" is not just about religion. It is about ethnicity and bloodlines. Now you are calling THAT anti-Semitic. You are rabid at calling anything and everything "anti=Semitic" as if that gives you an edge on any argument. And if you are suggesting, (and you have in the other post) that anti-Zionism equals anti-semitism and that anti-semitism equals "racism" then you ARE TALKING ABOUT RACE and ethnicity. I now have no clue what the term Jewish means to you. Race, ethnicity or religion? I wish you would clarify that for me because these discussions are giving me a headache. Please, tell me what a Jew is. Or is it anti-Semitic to ask that question? |
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And as far as my "new age hippie nonsense" is concerned, it is called spirituality.
People don't come to be hated for no reason. People don't come to be loved for no reason. It is not only against the laws of vibration, it is common sense and logical. If you don't believe me, try very hard to love someone or have good feelings towards someone who is cruel, unfeeling, unreasonable, untruthful, insensitive, hateful, rude, untrustworthy, vengeful, etc. Just for starters. Give it a try. Do a little experiment of your own. Then, think of someone you have good feelings for and ask yourself why. |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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THE MEAT OF YOUR QUESTION?
The argument of ethnicity is irrelevant. Don't you get that? To labour that point is anti-semitic in itself. Can't you see that? It has been promulgated for over a century and it's irrelevant. If an individual identifies him or herself is Jewish it doesn't matter where that person was born. Do you think Stalin or Hitler gave a flying phuque about it? The whole Khazak argument is just irrelevant. I don't know how you arrived at your interpretation.
(Khazak? I don't quite know what you are referring to.) Ashkenazi Jews are not necessarily descendants of the Khazars but according to the genetic research Slowhand keeps putting in my face, they could very well be partly inner bred with them and other Jewish groups. As far as ethnicity not being relevant, I don't get that at all. You then said this: I am not Jewish, but I abhor racism, hence my stance.
Racism I believe has to do with RACE. That is SKIN COLOR primarily. I am certainly not nor have I ever been racist. Ashkenazi Jews are Caucasian the same as me, so to believe or suggest that I am racist against another white skinned person because I criticize their politics is absurd. Zionism is politics. Don't you get that? So a white Zionist secular atheist (no religion) is very similar to me. I am white, secular, and have no religion. (Aside from my "hippy new age nonsense" you referred to.) Therefore there is only one reason I criticize Zionist and Israel politics. Their politics, (almost communism and tyrannical ) their DEEDS, their methods, and their deceptions etc. |
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Edited by
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Hell, you have no real way of knowing who is Jewish and who is not. They are of all different races, ethnic backgrounds, skin colors etc.
Irrelevant and typical anti-semitic propaganda.
Really? I was told that by slowhand I think. Or someone else who was defending the crimes of the Israli Cabal.
In any case I got that so-called "anti-Semite propaganda" from one of you guys who spend your time labeling everything "anti-Semite." So now you are calling your own rhetoric anti-Semitic. So are you saying that Jews are not found in all different races, ethnic backgrounds and skin colors? Would you like me to post some pictures again? Don't bother, you merely misinterpreted my post and went off on a wild tangent. The argument of ethnicity is irrelevant. Don't you get that? To labour that point is anti-semitic in itself. Can't you see that? It has been promulgated for over a century and it's irrelevant. If an individual identifies him or herself is Jewish it doesn't matter where that person was born. Do you think Stalin or Hitler gave a flying phuque about it? The whole Khazak argument is just irrelevant. I don't know how you arrived at your interpretation. If you are suggesting that the term "Jewish" simply represents a religion, then I would say to you that those Zionists who are secular atheists are NOT JEWISH even if they do have Jewish mothers. But I have been told repeatedly that "Jewish" is not just about religion. It is about ethnicity and bloodlines. Now you are calling THAT anti-Semitic. You are rabid at calling anything and everything "anti=Semitic" as if that gives you an edge on any argument. And if you are suggesting, (and you have in the other post) that anti-Zionism equals anti-semitism and that anti-semitism equals "racism" then you ARE TALKING ABOUT RACE and ethnicity. I now have no clue what the term Jewish means to you. Race, ethnicity or religion? I wish you would clarify that for me because these discussions are giving me a headache. Please, tell me what a Jew is. Or is it anti-Semitic to ask that question? It is antisemitic to repeatedly ignore the fact that this question has been answered numerous times yet somehow these obvious and truthful straightforward answers are ignored. Jewish means someone who follows the religion of Judaism. There is a very wide observance among Jews as there is among any religion. Some are more religious and some less. Historically it turns out that Jews are all related by DNA. This is not at all unusual or surprising because for the most part over thousands of years Jews married other Jews. They are not all racially identical because they had a lot of conversions over the years yet the link between them is still found in their ties to common ancestors from the Middle East. This is to be expected of course because at one time all the Jews lived in Israel where the religion originated. This is supported by all available archaeological and historical evidence. It is as simple as that. Trying to delegitimize a group of Jews because of their country of origin or their color or whether they converted or whether they are strictly observant versus casually observant is antisemitic and is about as dumb as saying that African Methodists are less Christian than Canadian Catholics. It is just silly. As has been pointed out a thousand bazillion (+1) times already.  
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Please, tell me what a Jew is.
Or is it anti-Semitic to ask that question? |
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Hell, you have no real way of knowing who is Jewish and who is not. They are of all different races, ethnic backgrounds, skin colors etc.
Irrelevant and typical anti-semitic propaganda.
Really? I was told that by slowhand I think. Or someone else who was defending the crimes of the Israli Cabal.
In any case I got that so-called "anti-Semite propaganda" from one of you guys who spend your time labeling everything "anti-Semite." So now you are calling your own rhetoric anti-Semitic. So are you saying that Jews are not found in all different races, ethnic backgrounds and skin colors? Would you like me to post some pictures again? Don't bother, you merely misinterpreted my post and went off on a wild tangent. The argument of ethnicity is irrelevant. Don't you get that? To labour that point is anti-semitic in itself. Can't you see that? It has been promulgated for over a century and it's irrelevant. If an individual identifies him or herself is Jewish it doesn't matter where that person was born. Do you think Stalin or Hitler gave a flying phuque about it? The whole Khazak argument is just irrelevant. I don't know how you arrived at your interpretation. If you are suggesting that the term "Jewish" simply represents a religion, then I would say to you that those Zionists who are secular atheists are NOT JEWISH even if they do have Jewish mothers. But I have been told repeatedly that "Jewish" is not just about religion. It is about ethnicity and bloodlines. Now you are calling THAT anti-Semitic. You are rabid at calling anything and everything "anti=Semitic" as if that gives you an edge on any argument. And if you are suggesting, (and you have in the other post) that anti-Zionism equals anti-semitism and that anti-semitism equals "racism" then you ARE TALKING ABOUT RACE and ethnicity. I now have no clue what the term Jewish means to you. Race, ethnicity or religion? I wish you would clarify that for me because these discussions are giving me a headache. Please, tell me what a Jew is. Or is it anti-Semitic to ask that question? It is antisemitic to repeatedly ignore the fact that this question has been answered numerous times yet somehow these obvious and truthful straightforward answers are ignored. Jewish means someone who follows the religion of Judaism. There is a very wide observance among Jews as there is among any religion. Some are more religious and some less. Historically it turns out that Jews are all related by DNA. This is not at all unusual or surprising because for the most part over thousands of years Jews married other Jews. They are not all racially identical because they had a lot of conversions over the years yet the link between them is still found in their ties to common ancestors from the Middle East. This is to be expected of course because at one time all the Jews lived in Israel where the religion originated. This is supported by all available archaeological and historical evidence. It is as simple as that. Trying to delegitimize a group of Jews because of their country of origin or their color or whether they converted or whether they are strictly observant versus casually observant is antisemitic and is about as dumb as saying that African Methodists are less Christian than Canadian Catholics. It is just silly. As has been pointed out a thousand bazillion (+1) times already.
So all you are saying is that you can't tell who a Jew is unless they admit that they are a Jew? Being a secular atheist is not simply being "less religious." It is denying your religion hence denying that you are Jewish .... and yet still claiming to be a jew. It makes no sense. So now, according to Hotrod, you are being anti-Semitic. Neither of you make any sense. 
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Hell, you have no real way of knowing who is Jewish and who is not. They are of all different races, ethnic backgrounds, skin colors etc.
Irrelevant and typical anti-semitic propaganda.
Really? I was told that by slowhand I think. Or someone else who was defending the crimes of the Israli Cabal.
In any case I got that so-called "anti-Semite propaganda" from one of you guys who spend your time labeling everything "anti-Semite." So now you are calling your own rhetoric anti-Semitic. So are you saying that Jews are not found in all different races, ethnic backgrounds and skin colors? Would you like me to post some pictures again? Don't bother, you merely misinterpreted my post and went off on a wild tangent. The argument of ethnicity is irrelevant. Don't you get that? To labour that point is anti-semitic in itself. Can't you see that? It has been promulgated for over a century and it's irrelevant. If an individual identifies him or herself is Jewish it doesn't matter where that person was born. Do you think Stalin or Hitler gave a flying phuque about it? The whole Khazak argument is just irrelevant. I don't know how you arrived at your interpretation. If you are suggesting that the term "Jewish" simply represents a religion, then I would say to you that those Zionists who are secular atheists are NOT JEWISH even if they do have Jewish mothers. But I have been told repeatedly that "Jewish" is not just about religion. It is about ethnicity and bloodlines. Now you are calling THAT anti-Semitic. You are rabid at calling anything and everything "anti=Semitic" as if that gives you an edge on any argument. And if you are suggesting, (and you have in the other post) that anti-Zionism equals anti-semitism and that anti-semitism equals "racism" then you ARE TALKING ABOUT RACE and ethnicity. I now have no clue what the term Jewish means to you. Race, ethnicity or religion? I wish you would clarify that for me because these discussions are giving me a headache. Please, tell me what a Jew is. Or is it anti-Semitic to ask that question? It is antisemitic to repeatedly ignore the fact that this question has been answered numerous times yet somehow these obvious and truthful straightforward answers are ignored. Jewish means someone who follows the religion of Judaism. There is a very wide observance among Jews as there is among any religion. Some are more religious and some less. Historically it turns out that Jews are all related by DNA. This is not at all unusual or surprising because for the most part over thousands of years Jews married other Jews. They are not all racially identical because they had a lot of conversions over the years yet the link between them is still found in their ties to common ancestors from the Middle East. This is to be expected of course because at one time all the Jews lived in Israel where the religion originated. This is supported by all available archaeological and historical evidence. It is as simple as that. Trying to delegitimize a group of Jews because of their country of origin or their color or whether they converted or whether they are strictly observant versus casually observant is antisemitic and is about as dumb as saying that African Methodists are less Christian than Canadian Catholics. It is just silly. As has been pointed out a thousand bazillion (+1) times already.
So all you are saying is that you can't tell who a Jew is unless they admit that they are a Jew? Being a secular atheist is not simply being "less religious." It is denying your religion hence denying that you are Jewish .... and yet still claiming to be a jew. It makes no sense. So now, according to Hotrod, you are being anti-Semitic. Neither of you make any sense.
I do not understand why you are puzzled or cannot understand this concept. I am certain that no one would consider me antisemitic or bigoted against anyone in any way. Secular Christians are just like secular Jews. That is they hold a belief in the general principles of the religion but are just not hung up on ritual observances. No big deal. And yes, I don't think you can tell what religion someone is by how they look. Christian, Muslim, Jew, Buddhist, Hindu or any other religion.
You cannot tell if someone is Jewish by how they look anymore than you can tell a Christian by how they look. Which of these people are Christian, Jewish, Muslim or other? 
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Sat 08/18/12 09:09 AM
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I do not understand why you are puzzled or cannot understand this
concept. I am certain that no one would consider me antisemitic or bigoted against anyone in any way. The only thing I "don't understand" is what you and Hotrod consider "Jew" means. He is the one who said it is antisemitic and irrelevant to talk about ethnicity of Jews. What??? Really? (I don't believe that at all, but that is what he said.) But I see that some people use the term "antisemitc" like gang busters when ever they hear anything they do not like concerning Zionism or Israel. |
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Hell, you have no real way of knowing who is Jewish and who is not. They are of all different races, ethnic backgrounds, skin colors etc.
Irrelevant and typical anti-semitic propaganda.
Really? I was told that by slowhand I think. Or someone else who was defending the crimes of the Israli Cabal.
In any case I got that so-called "anti-Semite propaganda" from one of you guys who spend your time labeling everything "anti-Semite." So now you are calling your own rhetoric anti-Semitic. So are you saying that Jews are not found in all different races, ethnic backgrounds and skin colors? Would you like me to post some pictures again? Don't bother, you merely misinterpreted my post and went off on a wild tangent. The argument of ethnicity is irrelevant. Don't you get that? To labour that point is anti-semitic in itself. Can't you see that? It has been promulgated for over a century and it's irrelevant. If an individual identifies him or herself is Jewish it doesn't matter where that person was born. Do you think Stalin or Hitler gave a flying phuque about it? The whole Khazak argument is just irrelevant. I don't know how you arrived at your interpretation. If you are suggesting that the term "Jewish" simply represents a religion, then I would say to you that those Zionists who are secular atheists are NOT JEWISH even if they do have Jewish mothers. But I have been told repeatedly that "Jewish" is not just about religion. It is about ethnicity and bloodlines. Now you are calling THAT anti-Semitic. You are rabid at calling anything and everything "anti=Semitic" as if that gives you an edge on any argument. And if you are suggesting, (and you have in the other post) that anti-Zionism equals anti-semitism and that anti-semitism equals "racism" then you ARE TALKING ABOUT RACE and ethnicity. I now have no clue what the term Jewish means to you. Race, ethnicity or religion? I wish you would clarify that for me because these discussions are giving me a headache. Please, tell me what a Jew is. Or is it anti-Semitic to ask that question? It is antisemitic to repeatedly ignore the fact that this question has been answered numerous times yet somehow these obvious and truthful straightforward answers are ignored. Jewish means someone who follows the religion of Judaism. There is a very wide observance among Jews as there is among any religion. Some are more religious and some less. Historically it turns out that Jews are all related by DNA. This is not at all unusual or surprising because for the most part over thousands of years Jews married other Jews. They are not all racially identical because they had a lot of conversions over the years yet the link between them is still found in their ties to common ancestors from the Middle East. This is to be expected of course because at one time all the Jews lived in Israel where the religion originated. This is supported by all available archaeological and historical evidence. It is as simple as that. Trying to delegitimize a group of Jews because of their country of origin or their color or whether they converted or whether they are strictly observant versus casually observant is antisemitic and is about as dumb as saying that African Methodists are less Christian than Canadian Catholics. It is just silly. As has been pointed out a thousand bazillion (+1) times already.
So all you are saying is that you can't tell who a Jew is unless they admit that they are a Jew? Being a secular atheist is not simply being "less religious." It is denying your religion hence denying that you are Jewish .... and yet still claiming to be a jew. It makes no sense. So now, according to Hotrod, you are being anti-Semitic. Neither of you make any sense.
I do not understand why you are puzzled or cannot understand this concept. I am certain that no one would consider me antisemitic or bigoted against anyone in any way. Secular Christians are just like secular Jews. That is they hold a belief in the general principles of the religion but are just not hung up on ritual observances. No big deal. And yes, I don't think you can tell what religion someone is by how they look. Christian, Muslim, Jew, Buddhist, Hindu or any other religion.
You cannot tell if someone is Jewish by how they look anymore than you can tell a Christian by how they look. Which of these people are Christian, Jewish, Muslim or other?
The only thing I "don't understand" is what you and Hotrod consider "Jew" means. He is the one who said it is antisemitic and irrelevant to talk about ethnicity of Jews. What??? Really? (I don't believe that at all, but that is what he said.) But I see that some people use the term "antisemitc" like gang busters when ever they hear anything they do not like concerning Zionism or Israel. See definition in bold. Jewish means someone who follows the religion of Judaism. There is a very wide observance among Jews as there is among any religion. Some are more religious and some less. The antisemitic part of the arguments is claiming that one Jew is less Jewish than another and ignoring the DNA evidence of their common Middleastern ancestry. Since Israel is a Jewish country and 75% of Israelis are Jewish many attacks on Israel are often antisemitic in nature. For example, the only reason why the neighboring Arab states oppose Israel is because it is a Jewish state. That is blatantly antisemitic. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Israel The same can be said for Zionism which is the national movement for Israeli Jewish Nationalism. Attempts to redefine it or to associate it with discredited Nazi Conspiracy Theories are blatantly and obviously antisemitic. |
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If someone posts their antisemitic beliefs in 100 different posts spread over a dozen different threads, using the worst possible sources and logic ... can they be taken as anything as purely anti-Semitic past that point? Reason plays no part in blind hatred.
The Jews have been hated for thousands of years. There are volumes of conspiracy theories, twisted history, and hate mongering for some to lean on as "evidence" to support hate. Nothing is going to change soon. |
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If someone posts their antisemitic beliefs in 100 different posts spread over a dozen different threads, using the worst possible sources and logic ... can they be taken as anything as purely anti-Semitic past that point? Reason plays no part in blind hatred. The Jews have been hated for thousands of years. There are volumes of conspiracy theories, twisted history, and hate mongering for some to lean on as "evidence" to support hate. Nothing is going to change soon.  How much I agree with you Joe!...Thread after thread started for the purpose of vilifying Jews...Post after post for no reason other than to spew hatred toward Jews, Israel, and America....It boggles the mind...
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I think the real point is this. If Iran started to assassinate Israeli scientist Israel would have bombed a bunch of civilians and blamed Iran for putting them in harms way.
Iran being a civil country is taking Israel to court. |
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I think the real point is this. If Iran started to assassinate Israeli scientist Israel would have bombed a bunch of civilians and blamed Iran for putting them in harms way. That's pure conjecture.... |
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I think the real point is this. If Iran started to assassinate Israeli scientist Israel would have bombed a bunch of civilians and blamed Iran for putting them in harms way. Iran being a civil country is taking Israel to court. Iran is already assassinating Israeli civilians by the busload and are developing nuclear technology to build bombs so they can carry out on their President's desire to kill all Israelis and all Americans. The court action is just a stunt. No point in paying any attention to such a ridiculous sideshow lawsuit when Iran is developing nuclear weapons and threatening to kill you and bombing busloads of your kids. No one is going to pay any attention to a dumbazz insincere lawsuit.
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I think the real point is this. If Iran started to assassinate Israeli scientist Israel would have bombed a bunch of civilians and blamed Iran for putting them in harms way. Iran being a civil country is taking Israel to court. Iran is already assassinating Israeli civilians by the busload and are developing nuclear technology to build bombs so they can carry out on their President's desire to kill all Israelis and all Americans. The court action is just a stunt. No point in paying any attention to such a ridiculous sideshow lawsuit when Iran is developing nuclear weapons and threatening to kill you and bombing busloads of your kids. No one is going to pay any attention to a dumbazz insincere lawsuit.
Well ... almost no one.
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mightymoe
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I think the real point is this. If Iran started to assassinate Israeli scientist Israel would have bombed a bunch of civilians and blamed Iran for putting them in harms way. Iran being a civil country is taking Israel to court. oh yea, Iran is so civil... ask the woman that was stoned to death for getting raped... i believe whenever you treat women like cattle, it is a major sign if how civil they are....heres a link for you to watch... http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/so-barbaric-azar-baghery-19-is-one-237528 |
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I think the real point is this. If Iran started to assassinate Israeli scientist Israel would have bombed a bunch of civilians and blamed Iran for putting them in harms way. Iran being a civil country is taking Israel to court. Iran is already assassinating Israeli civilians by the busload and are developing nuclear technology to build bombs so they can carry out on their President's desire to kill all Israelis and all Americans. The court action is just a stunt. No point in paying any attention to such a ridiculous sideshow lawsuit when Iran is developing nuclear weapons and threatening to kill you and bombing busloads of your kids. No one is going to pay any attention to a dumbazz insincere lawsuit.
Iran is in compliance and Israel is not so why do you keep the lie going? what is your agenda? |
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Hell, you have no real way of knowing who is Jewish and who is not. They are of all different races, ethnic backgrounds, skin colors etc.
Irrelevant and typical anti-semitic propaganda.
Really? I was told that by slowhand I think. Or someone else who was defending the crimes of the Israli Cabal.
In any case I got that so-called "anti-Semite propaganda" from one of you guys who spend your time labeling everything "anti-Semite." So now you are calling your own rhetoric anti-Semitic. So are you saying that Jews are not found in all different races, ethnic backgrounds and skin colors? Would you like me to post some pictures again? Don't bother, you merely misinterpreted my post and went off on a wild tangent. The argument of ethnicity is irrelevant. Don't you get that? To labour that point is anti-semitic in itself. Can't you see that? It has been promulgated for over a century and it's irrelevant. If an individual identifies him or herself is Jewish it doesn't matter where that person was born. Do you think Stalin or Hitler gave a flying phuque about it? The whole Khazak argument is just irrelevant. I don't know how you arrived at your interpretation. If you are suggesting that the term "Jewish" simply represents a religion, then I would say to you that those Zionists who are secular atheists are NOT JEWISH even if they do have Jewish mothers. But I have been told repeatedly that "Jewish" is not just about religion. It is about ethnicity and bloodlines. Now you are calling THAT anti-Semitic. You are rabid at calling anything and everything "anti=Semitic" as if that gives you an edge on any argument. And if you are suggesting, (and you have in the other post) that anti-Zionism equals anti-semitism and that anti-semitism equals "racism" then you ARE TALKING ABOUT RACE and ethnicity. I now have no clue what the term Jewish means to you. Race, ethnicity or religion? I wish you would clarify that for me because these discussions are giving me a headache. Please, tell me what a Jew is. Or is it anti-Semitic to ask that question? It is antisemitic to repeatedly ignore the fact that this question has been answered numerous times yet somehow these obvious and truthful straightforward answers are ignored. Jewish means someone who follows the religion of Judaism. There is a very wide observance among Jews as there is among any religion. Some are more religious and some less. Historically it turns out that Jews are all related by DNA. This is not at all unusual or surprising because for the most part over thousands of years Jews married other Jews. They are not all racially identical because they had a lot of conversions over the years yet the link between them is still found in their ties to common ancestors from the Middle East. This is to be expected of course because at one time all the Jews lived in Israel where the religion originated. This is supported by all available archaeological and historical evidence. It is as simple as that. Trying to delegitimize a group of Jews because of their country of origin or their color or whether they converted or whether they are strictly observant versus casually observant is antisemitic and is about as dumb as saying that African Methodists are less Christian than Canadian Catholics. It is just silly. As has been pointed out a thousand bazillion (+1) times already.
So all you are saying is that you can't tell who a Jew is unless they admit that they are a Jew? Being a secular atheist is not simply being "less religious." It is denying your religion hence denying that you are Jewish .... and yet still claiming to be a jew. It makes no sense. So now, according to Hotrod, you are being anti-Semitic. Neither of you make any sense.
I do not understand why you are puzzled or cannot understand this concept. I am certain that no one would consider me antisemitic or bigoted against anyone in any way. Secular Christians are just like secular Jews. That is they hold a belief in the general principles of the religion but are just not hung up on ritual observances. No big deal. And yes, I don't think you can tell what religion someone is by how they look. Christian, Muslim, Jew, Buddhist, Hindu or any other religion.
You cannot tell if someone is Jewish by how they look anymore than you can tell a Christian by how they look. Which of these people are Christian, Jewish, Muslim or other?
The only thing I "don't understand" is what you and Hotrod consider "Jew" means. He is the one who said it is antisemitic and irrelevant to talk about ethnicity of Jews. What??? Really? (I don't believe that at all, but that is what he said.) But I see that some people use the term "antisemitc" like gang busters when ever they hear anything they do not like concerning Zionism or Israel. See definition in bold. Jewish means someone who follows the religion of Judaism. There is a very wide observance among Jews as there is among any religion. Some are more religious and some less. The antisemitic part of the arguments is claiming that one Jew is less Jewish than another and ignoring the DNA evidence of their common Middleastern ancestry. Since Israel is a Jewish country and 75% of Israelis are Jewish many attacks on Israel are often antisemitic in nature. For example, the only reason why the neighboring Arab states oppose Israel is because it is a Jewish state. That is blatantly antisemitic. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Israel The same can be said for Zionism which is the national movement for Israeli Jewish Nationalism. Attempts to redefine it or to associate it with discredited Nazi Conspiracy Theories are blatantly and obviously antisemitic. It is this simple and I don't know why it is so difficult. Labouring the point of definition is irrelevant as I see it, for the nation is now established and invites those adherents of the faith to settle. Their ethnicity is not important in arguing whether Israel has a right to exist. This obsession is clearly another expression of anti-semitism as was shown in my thread on the subject recently. Trying to delegitimize a group of Jews because of their country of origin or their color or whether they converted or whether they are strictly observant versus casually observant is antisemitic and is about as dumb as saying that African Methodists are less Christian than Canadian Catholics. It is just silly. |
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If someone posts their antisemitic beliefs in 100 different posts spread over a dozen different threads, using the worst possible sources and logic ... can they be taken as anything as purely anti-Semitic past that point? Reason plays no part in blind hatred. The Jews have been hated for thousands of years. There are volumes of conspiracy theories, twisted history, and hate mongering for some to lean on as "evidence" to support hate. Nothing is going to change soon. How much I agree with you Joe!...Thread after thread started for the purpose of vilifying Jews...Post after post for no reason other than to spew hatred toward Jews, Israel, and America....It boggles the mind...
All on a daily basis. The obsession itself evinces the level of prejudice. |
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