It's not flawed as it's just about paying taxes. People complain when the rich get tax breaks even when they have the highest tax burden.

People with high income levels aren't being taxed more because they have done something wrong or because they have consumed more public resources. They are being taxed more because they are perceived to be able to afford to pay more in taxes.

So, why do some politicians want that tax money in the first place?

Is it to provide people with things that they cannot obtain on their own?

Is it to buy votes by giving people things that they could obtain on their own?

I dont think its that simple. Along with paying taxes and having 'tax' breaks is the concept of money ruling the system and not being about peoples true effort or contribution. Money is earned, but wealth can be passed down, or built through investment, or acquired in many ways that have little to do with any 'hard work'.


And those with the most WEALTH (not just a monetary amount) usually have the best access to the accountants who know all the loopholes and breaks to break that 'high tax burden' down to what amounts to virtually nothing

its a flaw, Im not sure in our lifetime we will figure out how to fix it,,but its a flaw

just like the flaw that exists in the 'justice' system around the same issue,, MONEY and WEALTH

those without money or wealth will continue to be disproportionatly present in the justice system because of the lack of access to the type of quality representation and 'networks' those with money and wealth have,,,

being wealthy is not what's driving down our standard of living...it's caused by too many people in the cart and not enough pulling...half the house holds in this country now receive somekind of government " assistance "...we've become a country of producers and non-producers...NOT the rich and the poor...

I agree. So we need to FIX the opportunities people have not only to pull the cart, but to just sustain themself and their family. We need better education, instead of just loan mills, REAL eduation for REAL Careers.

Quality education should not just be a resource for the wealthy.

We need better wages.
We need fiscally responsible and equitable tax contribution from all.

Lol there is plenty of good education in the US. On the college level we are ranked highest in the world. Why do you think so many international students come here? There are plenty of good careers with good salaries. The number of jobs requiring a degree is going up as well.

sigh

there are 12(at least) formidable years of 'education' which come before college to prepare students for college and the world

Our nation's graduating high school class of 2011 had a 32 percent proficiency rate in math and a 31 percent proficiency rate in reading, leaving many to question whether schools are adequately preparing students for the 21st century global economy, says a new report. U.S. students fall behind 31 countries in math proficiency and behind 16 countries in reading proficiency, according to the recent study, "Globally Challenged: Are U.S. Students Ready to Compete?" by Harvard's Program on Education Policy and Governance.

http://www.schoollibraryjournal.com/slj/home/891733-312/u.s._students_rank_32_in.csp

Hate to break it to you. It's the students not the schools. Example I had a class in high school. Test every Friday and review every Thursday. You could take notes on the review and use those on the test. People were failing. One day the teacher told US don't ask questions this review. Then proceeded to say A, C, A, D..... the exact answers. People still failed. They were not even bothering taking notes. There are the kids that study and the ones that don't. The ones that don't bring down our test scores. In Japan or Korea they have to test into high-school. They study for over a year for college entrance exams. We don't study for those at all.

could it possibly be (Wait for it,,,,)

BOTH The schools and the students?

so who will be the first to make changes? or are we gonna continue to wait it out for the sake of being right?

The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.
John Kenneth Galbraith

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Nope it's not, people graduating college go to those same schools. I am from Louisiana. We have some of the lowest test scores in the country. I always scored in the 90%+ usually 95-99. I didn't even study hard. I just paid attention and did my homework. I wasn't allowed to play outside or anything until homework was done. It was a house rule. I remember high-school vividly. It was the students doing nothing.

ok,, so extreme parenting is the answer,,,,so schools can do a mimmum?

yes, I understand parents can MAKE UP For what schools arent doing by STRESSING what they can

but what I speak of is a BALANCE where there is an effort in the school AND at home,,

I know the blame game is more popular,, but I am seeing the school system NOW< with children attending it

and it SUCKS<,,,

partially because some students havent been taught to study and partially because some teachers dont give a damn,,,,

and partially because there is not EQUAL access to quality education regardless of economic status,,,,there is always the opportunity for people to achieve IN SPITE of,, but lets not make that the norm when we can work on making things unilaterally better,,,,

So you want to compare US to other countries but not look at why they score higher? S Korea is 1 in math and reading and 3 in science. Japan is 5 in reading 4 in math and 2 in science.

Parents are responsible for making kids study nit teachers. The teachers don't follow the kids home. It is the parents responsibility to make sure hw is done. Al teachers can do is inform parents of what their child is or isn't doing. Asia scores so high because their parents are very strict about education.

we can agree to disagree

education is a two way exchange, between teacher and student

I have no proof that either ONE Has more responsiblity/blame than the other in the current state of things

I do have proof that economics plays a big part in the QUALITY of education OFFERED to our children

whether their parents succeed in makin up for that inequality or not....

for example, where I was living, the students had no 'homework',.,,to study,,

know why? because they couldnt let the children take the books home for fear of not having the funds to replace those which may be lost,,,,


that should never happen

but that is economics,,,

So you disagree that if every student was well behaved,did their work, our countries scores wouldn't rise? Also I can tell you as well that not all countries fail students. There is no failing in S. Korea.

nope, in an ideal society where every child behaved, the scores would rise

but, as it stands, this is not such an ideal society

and those 'behaved' children dont develop in a vacuum but in a BALANCE of other ideal situations that most dont have

which is why teachers pay for the EDUCATION to learn about the developmental changes in CHILDREN,,,,as they relate to the culture around US

the scores would also rise if more teachers gave a damn, as is exemplified by the Harlem charter school with many of those 'un behaved' children all graduating to attend COLLEGE

100 % graduation and college enrollment

because the TEACHERS go above and beyond,, just like you are suggesting parents can do

neither would have to,, if both would cooperate better in partnership to do whats best for the kids,,,

Bet they didn't have behavioral problems upon graduation. Teachers can only do so much. Good for those students, they made a choice. Teachers don't go into teaching because they don't care. It's not good pay or anything. It's tough work with little appreciation. Find a teacher that doesn't care and I bet you can trace it back to years of unruly students.

You want to argue there are more teachers that don't care than students that misbehave.

The modern liberal is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for covetousness.

that may be true of some

and others just want what is necessary for 'survival'

have been able to provide those things for themself, , and just need some help to get through times when they are unable

I have no reason to 'covet',,,want what others have

what I Want is what I NEED,,,,big difference

well that flies in the face of the theory that people who are not employed should 'accept' whats offered

you dont believe people go into all types of professions (including education) Because of the availablity of work or the paycheck?

35000 (1st rate of pay for entering teaching in Las Vegas) per year with summers and holidays off and weekends and also benefits doesnt sound too bad to most without children or other obligatoins of their own,,,





I dont want to 'argue' what there is more of,, my point is that both are a problem,,,misbehaving students AND teachers that dont care,,,