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Topic: Great Quotes of 2012
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Wed 06/27/12 02:04 PM




He said that if you give people something without them having to work for it, they will take advantage, become lazy, not appreciate, expect it to continue, and thereby not help themselves for their own betterment, thereby choosing to remain forever poor, and never be all that they can be.

Entitlements create slackers and a drain on society, regardless of which "class" the recipient is born into.

I am not saying that is true in every individual case, but as a whole.

Black slaves were not even the issue of the statement as they were "owned" property and not considered to be anything else in the time of his statement! Your "slaves" comment was uncalled for in that regard, and in poor taste.







I think the point just continues to be missed.

YES. slaves were considered property, but they were obviously humans and some of the ways other humans used to justify treating them as less was similar to any other impoverished people,,

that they should just be 'grateful' for what they were being given (the wonderful room and board afforded on someone elses dime,, sound familiar?)

that they were not good for anything else but hard labor because they werent educated (reminds me of how our system is set up for the 'educated' to move forward and others to just 'try harder')


that if you gave them 'too much' they would become ungrateful and lazy,,,,


a capitalist society has NOTHING to do with how hard people are working, or willing to work,, to survive

its not true that having BASIC NEEDS (that some refer to as 'entitlements') met is gonna make people LAZY or a drain

it is true, that people can work hard and still not get far because they arent a part of the right 'network', and because its an employers market where every opening has AT LEAST six other people who would like the job and the economy is SET UP for some people to not have EMPLOYMENT...


this isnt grandma and grandpas america, where jobs were plenty with decent wages and a good chance at two way loyalty that included benefits and stability for someone to support their family

employees now are more highly expendable than ever before and pay is dropping except for the 'highly' educated

Im not saying success isnt possible, of course it is,, but I tire of the fallacy that people having basic needs causes some huge drain on society and a league of 'lazy' people,, or even that not being somewhere with an income has anything to do with being 'lazy'


For entitlements to exist, somebody is being robbed of their wealth. When there isn't enough wealth collected to satisfy the entitlements there are deficits, when there are deficits, there is debt, where there is debt there is interest, where there is interest there is more debt.

The FED prints money from thin air to pay entitlements because enough wealth is never collected to satisfy those entitlements. They print their phony money backed by nothing but air, loan it to the govt at interest to pay entitlements. The more they print the more the dollar is devalued, the more it is devalued the less it buys.

If that is not a drain on the economy, please tell me what is?

If devaluing money creates wealth, please tell me how.

All it does it make the poor poorer, the middle class taxpayer poorer, and those in control, the wealthy, the corporations and the banks richer.

So please explain how entitlements help anyone other than enslave them to a corrupt system again?


fallacy #1

For entitlements to exist, somebody is being robbed of their wealth.

'wealth' is often acquired off of the backs of those who are earning income but not making ENOUGH to be required to pay the income tax, and even those people still pay TAXES of some sort

in essence, it is perhaps those working at below taxable levels who are being 'robbed' of wealth,,,


fallacy #2


the feds print money out of thin air for entitlements...
(its intellectual dishonesty as well, considering there is certainly not money that is created SPECIFICALLY for any one part of the US Budget)

http://economyblog.ncpa.org/fed-printing-too-much-money/





'entitlements' help people to SURVIVE,, I consider that help,,,

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