Texas: Muslim admits shooting daughter and her non-Muslim boyfriend because he didn't like her dating a non-Muslim -- police not considering it attempted honor killing



Why does it matter whether or not this is considered an honor killing? In order to help clarify for American law enforcement personnel what one is, so that future honor killings may possibly be prevented. Muslims commit 91 percent of honor killings worldwide. A manual of Islamic law certified as a reliable guide to Sunni orthodoxy by Al-Azhar University, the most respected authority in Sunni Islam, says that "retaliation is obligatory against anyone who kills a human being purely intentionally and without right." However, "not subject to retaliation" is "a father or mother (or their fathers or mothers) for killing their offspring, or offspring's offspring." ('Umdat al-Salik o1.1-2). In other words, someone who kills his child incurs no legal penalty under Islamic law.

The Palestinian Authority gives pardons or suspended sentences for honor murders. Iraqi women have asked for tougher sentences for Islamic honor murderers, who get off lightly now. Syria in 2009 scrapped a law limiting the length of sentences for honor killings, but "the new law says a man can still benefit from extenuating circumstances in crimes of passion or honour 'provided he serves a prison term of no less than two years in the case of killing.'" And in 2003 the Jordanian Parliament voted down on Islamic grounds a provision designed to stiffen penalties for honor killings. Al-Jazeera reported that "Islamists and conservatives said the laws violated religious traditions and would destroy families and values."

In light of all this, until authorities get the courage to tell the truth about honor killing in the U.S., there will be many more such murders.

"Mission triple shooting not being classified as attempted 'honor killing," by Rafael Carranza for ValleyCentral.com, June 18 (thanks to Robert):

Authorities are saying that they are not treating the shooting of three people in Mission as an attempted “honor killing.”
The suspect Talal Nimer is facing attempted murder charges after shooting his estranged wife, their daughter and their daughter’s boyfriend.

Mission police the gunman's Muslim faith did not play a role in their investigation.

But when quizzed on why he did it, the Lebanese man admitted that he didn't like that his daughter was dating someone who's not Muslim.

He also felt his daughter's boyfriend was taking over as the man of the house.

Honor killings of young women dating outside their families Muslim faith or ethnic groups have been reported in England and Germany.

Another girl was killed in the Phoenix area by her father after she allegedly refused to enter in an arranged marriage.

According to Mission Police Chief Martin Garza, Nimer’s religious beliefs will not be taken into account.


Why not? He admitted they were a factor.

Garza said police will they'll focus on several other factors.
The first is that Nimer and his estranged wife were going through a divorce after he admitted to cheating on her.

The second factor are statements from the family saying Nimer had previously threatened to kill them....

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He should get off, no?
According to his religion, he has every right to kill the rebellious daughter and the infidel.

You live in a secular nation and he is still facing charges of murder, whether he is a Muslim or not. His religion should not be a mitigating factor in the verdict.

It will be argued.
The stronger their voice gets here, the more likely his type will be set free.

Surely, your nation can't punish one group and release another for committing the same crime? I'm sorry, but I don't believe the US legal system will allow it, no matter how hard a defence lawyer tries.

Now we can sing from the same Hymn Sheet

His Type.

That says more about you than him

Our systems treats crimes equally, religious affiliation is not a consideration...

Egyptian-born cab driver suspected in the 2008 "honor killing" of his two daughters in Texas because they were dating non-Muslim boys fled his Dallas-area home after allegedly shooting daughters Amina, 18, and Sarah Said, 17, on New Year’s Day in 2008 and is now on the FBI's list of most-wanted fugitives.

In 1989, 16-year-old Palestina Isa, of St. Louis, was murdered by her father Zein Isa, who was helped by her mother.

Zein Isa had grown angry that Palestina had taken a part-time job without his permission and had a boyfriend who was black, further angering the father. The parents were convicted of first-degree murder and sentenced to death. Zein Isa died on death row due to complications from diabetes in 1997, while his wife's sentence was commuted to life in prison without parole.

Aasiya Zubar was beheaded by her husband, Muzzammil Hassan, in Buffalo, NY, on Feb. 12, 2009, because she filed for divorce. Hassan was sentenced to 25 years to life for second-degree murder.

Want to Bet

If anyone can..Alan Can

I would hope so!
I don't go killing my daughters just cuz I don't like their boyfriends.
I suppose you sympathize with the murdering muslim?

Murdering Muslim ???

You Suppose What You Want

I am Not a Racist

Two facts.
1-He is a muslim.
2-He is a murder.
= Murdering muslim.
Any dunce can add that up, no?

Ah, Sharia Law. Coming soon to your neighborhood.

Watch out for Sharia law

Ladies this last one that worries me affects mainly you. It alarms me because I have a daughter and three nieces right now in their late 20's. Any guy who has female relatives/friends should be a bit worried too.
I am not a fear monger, I just want us to all pay attention to what is going on even if it is "scary".
A woman in NJ filed a case against her separated husband from Morocco. Seems he went to her place, forced her to have sex. That is rape here,sex forced upon you. This woman is trying to get rid of the scumbag and had filed for divorce.
The judge dismissed the case. The man's defense was Sharia law (as in Iran or other muslim countries) permitted him to do this. The judge AGREED. Fortunately a second judge overruled the first.
70% of Oklahoma votes passed a law that outlawed the consideration of sharia law or other nations beliefs when considering court cases over the American law. A muslim complained it demonized his faith and found a judge who is going to strike down the law. I do not know if OK law passed after the NJ case or not.
I think those voters in NJ and OK need to impeach and remove a couple of judges. Do you ladies really want to go into a court where they might invoke sharia law? It treats women like dogs.
Think it cannot happen here? So did people in UK and France. There are population pockets there where sharia law is the de facto law. The governments stamp it out when they find it, but admitted it is a big problem. It keeps popping up.
I don't know if anyone else keeps up with, ummm, weird news like I do. Just thought I'd say the world is different and not necessarily better. We better be diligent about guarding our rights.
When an American citizen travels to another country we leave our rights and our laws at the border and are bound by what little rights and laws other countries have. I have lived out of the USA for years and even the democratic countries do not have the rights and laws we do. If you go to court there they do side with their citizen as you are an interloper.
When they come here, they need to realize they have great freedom. They also need to understand the American law is the law of the land and is all that will be used. I know our law is cumbersome at best even with a lawyer, but I guarantee you it is above the rest by far. Yeah, USA is messed up, but we can all work together to make it better because it IS the best country on Earth. I think only the Canadians come close to our freedoms.
A prime example of danger to us is the Ms Knox case in Italy. No physical evidence, only her confession from what I've heard. The confession was nearly beat out of her over several hours with no attorney. No court here would allow that, did the Italians allow it just cuz she is American? No idea folks, I cannot tell if she did it or not myself, need to hear the evidence.
I'm just saying watch yourself when you travel, you do not want to get in trouble in their courts. And don't use hand gestures, an a-ok or thumbs up will get your face punched in Italy. If you travel maybe you should take a familiarization course first?
And guys, do you really want Hooter Girls to wear berkas? Do you really want to go to the beach and see berkas and not string bikinis? I don’t think so. If you do not know what a berka is it is a Sharia law garment for a woman that covers her from head to toe, you can see their eyes only.

yes, murder is murder, religion does not get anyone under us law a pass,,that would be passing law that 'respected' one religion over another

your right, it's attempted murder no matter how anyone looks at it out here. there is no religion here that lets you murder anyone...

there has also been a judge who gave a pedophile NO time at all,, judges have that authority in this country


we are going to have a few bad apples in the justice system, so it is good to pay attention to what the elected officials (in those states where judges are elected) are doing ,,,


the bad apples who murder and kill can be found across religions and races and genders (although its mostly men,,lol) , but in a country of people who are mostly christian, I dont feel there is an immediate fate in which the most extreme parts of muslim laws are going to prevail, anymore than christian deutoronomical laws prevail here,,,

some people can't understand plain English sometimes...

For the time being Sharia isn't a loud and powerful voice.

for now... they (the muslims) are still below 10% population here, so it won't start happening till then. once they get above 10%, then they start trying to start taking over... look at their history in other countries, England, France, Bosnia, most countries in Asia and Africa....