Topic: Debate on United States Foreign Policy
Optomistic69's photo
Fri 06/22/12 09:25 AM




I see us as the bullies of the world. I think living overseas for awhile opens your eyes to other views...


I lived overseas and didn't see Us as a bully. A lot of people in Japan like America


Anyone from Hiroshima or Nagasaki ?


I had Japanese people admit Japan was wrong in WW II. They attacked Us. They wanted to conquer the USA. We won.


Nobody wins in war.

A Select Few Make Fortunes and a Hell of a Lot of People die.


Optomistic69's photo
Fri 06/22/12 09:30 AM





I see us as the bullies of the world. I think living overseas for awhile opens your eyes to other views...




I hope you do not attract hate-mail for that comment oldhippie but I admire you for your honesty.



:thumbsup: waving






Well we all have our perceptions and I am deeply disappointed about how the USA has been acting over the years. I will undoubtably get hate-mail from those who don't understand.



I know there are many thousands of Americans like you.

As regards hate-mail...don't let the Bar-Stewards Get you down.drinker

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Fri 06/22/12 09:54 AM





I see us as the bullies of the world. I think living overseas for awhile opens your eyes to other views...


I lived overseas and didn't see Us as a bully. A lot of people in Japan like America


Anyone from Hiroshima or Nagasaki ?


I had Japanese people admit Japan was wrong in WW II. They attacked Us. They wanted to conquer the USA. We won.


Nobody wins in war.

A Select Few Make Fortunes and a Hell of a Lot of People die.




Check your history. Lots of people have won wars.

Optomistic69's photo
Fri 06/22/12 10:00 AM
Moving Along


Let me take you back to the year 1975. There was a committee of the US congress called the Pike Committee, named after its chairman Otis Pike. This committee investigated the covert side of US foreign policy and discovered a number of scandalous secrets, some of which were leaked to the public, while others remained secret. In an interview Congressman Pike stated that any member of Congress could see the entire report if he agreed not to reveal anything that was in it. "But not many want to read it," he said.
The interviewer asked him "Why?"
And Pike replied: "Oh, they think it is better not to know. There are too many things that embarrass Americans in that report. You see, this country went through an awful trauma with Watergate. But even then, all they were asked to believe was that their president had been a bad person. In this new situation they are asked much more; they are asked to believe that their country has been evil. And nobody wants to believe that."
The word for that is of course "denial". The fact that we are here to discuss the question of whether American foreign policy does more harm than good is further proof of that denial, for the question has been answered many times over. I could fill up this entire room with books floor to ceiling and wall to wall documenting the great harm done to every corner of the world by American foreign policy.
Here is a short summary of what Washington has been engaged in from the end of World War II to the present:

s1owhand's photo
Fri 06/22/12 10:34 AM
Edited by s1owhand on Fri 06/22/12 10:35 AM
What are we going to do tonight, Brain?
The same thing we do every night Pinky!

laugh


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Fri 06/22/12 10:47 AM

What are we going to do tonight, Brain?
The same thing we do every night Pinky!

laugh




laugh

Optomistic69's photo
Fri 06/22/12 12:56 PM
Now as regards this Topic,,,American Foreign Policy.....Put Simply....An Abuse of Power....nothing more nothing less.


Chazster's photo
Fri 06/22/12 01:20 PM
Yet you also say America should help Palestine. This is the problem. Everyone complains about America policing the world UNTIL something happens and we don't do anything. Then they cry and say, hey the Us should do something.

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Fri 06/22/12 01:52 PM
I don't want to come off as anti-American. Let's just say I am alarmed over what is considered "all right to do" in government circles now.

InvictusV's photo
Fri 06/22/12 02:49 PM
Maybe we should take a closer look at the foreign policy of the Huns or Ottoman Empire..

You all act like this is the first time in world history wars were fought for stupid reasons..

I'd say Alexander the Great was out to enrich himself when he embarked on taking over the world..

Maybe the world court should indict him in absentia.


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Fri 06/22/12 02:51 PM
Edited by Optomistic69 on Fri 06/22/12 02:53 PM

Maybe we should take a closer look at the foreign policy of the Huns or Ottoman Empire..

You all act like this is the first time in world history wars were fought for stupid reasons..

I'd say Alexander the Great was out to enrich himself when he embarked on taking over the world..

Maybe the world court should indict him in absentia.

offtopic


offtopic Invi

Start your own thread

InvictusV's photo
Fri 06/22/12 02:53 PM


Maybe we should take a closer look at the foreign policy of the Huns or Ottoman Empire..

You all act like this is the first time in world history wars were fought for stupid reasons..

I'd say Alexander the Great was out to enrich himself when he embarked on taking over the world..

Maybe the world court should indict him in absentia.

offtopic


offtopic Invi


I have always given you incredible latitude when it comes to posting off topic in one of the threads I started..

I would hate to have to tell you what to do with that sign..

HotRodDeluxe's photo
Fri 06/22/12 02:56 PM
Edited by HotRodDeluxe on Fri 06/22/12 02:58 PM

Moving Along


Let me take you back to the year 1975. There was a committee of the US congress called the Pike Committee, named after its chairman Otis Pike. This committee investigated the covert side of US foreign policy and discovered a number of scandalous secrets, some of which were leaked to the public, while others remained secret. In an interview Congressman Pike stated that any member of Congress could see the entire report if he agreed not to reveal anything that was in it. "But not many want to read it," he said.
The interviewer asked him "Why?"
And Pike replied: "Oh, they think it is better not to know. There are too many things that embarrass Americans in that report. You see, this country went through an awful trauma with Watergate. But even then, all they were asked to believe was that their president had been a bad person. In this new situation they are asked much more; they are asked to believe that their country has been evil. And nobody wants to believe that."
The word for that is of course "denial". The fact that we are here to discuss the question of whether American foreign policy does more harm than good is further proof of that denial, for the question has been answered many times over. I could fill up this entire room with books floor to ceiling and wall to wall documenting the great harm done to every corner of the world by American foreign policy.
Here is a short summary of what Washington has been engaged in from the end of World War II to the present:


It's not difficult to put a link to your sources. You copy the web address and paste it between square bracket url square bracket, and square bracket /url square bracket. That gives people the opportunity to check the source to ensure it isn't being quoted out of context, misquoted, or abused by omission.

Optomistic69's photo
Fri 06/22/12 02:56 PM



Maybe we should take a closer look at the foreign policy of the Huns or Ottoman Empire..

You all act like this is the first time in world history wars were fought for stupid reasons..

I'd say Alexander the Great was out to enrich himself when he embarked on taking over the world..

Maybe the world court should indict him in absentia.

offtopic


offtopic Invi


I have always given you incredible latitude when it comes to posting off topic in one of the threads I started..

I would hate to have to tell you what to do with that sign..


OK Fair is Fair and you are a much bigger and younger man than Iflowerforyou

Optomistic69's photo
Fri 06/22/12 02:58 PM
You copy the web address and paste it between [url ???????????????

HotRodDeluxe's photo
Fri 06/22/12 02:59 PM

You copy the web address and paste it between [url ???????????????

I've edited it for your convenience. It treats an example as the real thing.

Optomistic69's photo
Fri 06/22/12 03:02 PM

On October 9, 2003 a debate was held at venerable Trinity College in Dublin.

Organized by the University Philosophical Society, the proposition to be debated was:

"America's foreign policy does more harm than good."


Supporting the proposition were: William Blum, American author; David Barsamian, American radio journalist and author; and Tom Hanahoe, Irish author.


Arguing against the proposition were: John Bruton, former Irish prime minister; Bill Rammell, British MP and minister in the Foreign Office; and Gideon Rose, Managing Editor of "Foreign Affairs", the journal of the Council on Foreign Relations, and former member of the Clinton National Security Council.


http://killinghope.org/bblum6/debate.htm


This is the opening post hotrod:angel:


HotRodDeluxe's photo
Fri 06/22/12 03:06 PM


This is the opening post hotrod:angel:




I saw that, I'm interested in the source for your post on the Pike committee.

Optomistic69's photo
Fri 06/22/12 03:40 PM



This is the opening post hotrod:angel:




I saw that, I'm interested in the source for your post on the Pike committee.


Same Source

s1owhand's photo
Fri 06/22/12 05:52 PM
American foreign policy does more harm than good for whom?
The Americans? The Chinese? The Peruvian llama industry?

laugh

US foreign policy is concentrated on advancing US strategic
interests. Naturally it will involve our allies and our detractors
in various ways - generally helping our allies and mitigating the
efforts of our detractors or antagonists.

As it should be.

We are not out to take over the world. We do not need to dominate
others to advance our common goals. Nonetheless we do have important
interests in maintaining peace and stability and growing our
economy and making the world a better place for us and our children
and our children's children.

One does their best.

drinker

People outside the US have a very limited basis for understanding
our best interest and do not have a very good perspective on internal
US matters actually. That is primarily the province of our State
Department and Foreign Affairs bureaucracy.