Seems that two new polls out (they had to do it twice because they didn't believe the results from first) That over 71% of Americans support the discision to go into Iraq...this has caused an interesting about face from the liberal media..The Times had an article today saying we should NOT pull out of Iraq...After 3 years of propaganda, smear tactics and leaking Us intelligence...seems they are finding their tactics aren't working Even the Dems are changing their tune...seems things might really be working in Iraq now and of course they don't want to be on the losing side..specially with these new poll stats..you know they change opinions on a dime for every poll that comes out...they have no convictions of their own. You can hate Bush all you want, but at least he does what he thinks is right for our country and not change his mind for every AP poll that comes out Like one of our recent past presidents did.

It will be interesting to see how this all develops over the next few weeks

do you have sources? I'd like to see the poll and links to the articles.

Writerdude..Article In NY Times Titled "a War We might Just Win" http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/30/opinion/30pollack.html?pagewanted=2&_r=1 Hope that works...not really a cut and paste specialist As for the two Polls..I'll have to get back to you on that cause I have to log off now..But If this Thread is still active tomorrow..I'll post...Have a good nite all

Look even being a democrat i believe we are still at war. We can fight them THERE or we can fight them right HERE on american soil.....lets leave it THERE hey?!

Been there served Iraqis don't want us there money business and oil fuel this war and Bush is a War criminal
Heather

I think it would be a mistake to yank everyone out at once. But I also think and thought it was a mistake to go there to begin with. Al Qaeda was not there until we crippled the government. The war on terror was on Al Qaeda...not on a country.

Blah...

I read the article...it was full of hope, but still critical. There is still a lot of work to do.

Polls are like science experiments - they will support any conclusion you want.

Just depends upon the questions, how the questions are asked and in what order...

ahem. experiments don't work that way...heh...

They don't?

So cigarettes really are not harmful?

Quantum physicists are saying that in an energy based world the act of observation affects outcome. It is curious...

oh, i never said that researchers didn't bend the truth...

or that they skipped important variables. that does, however, invalidate the experiment.

if done properly...they should reach the same result, time after time...whoever performs said experiment.

i'm not sayin that this poll is wrong but polls are'nt real accurate and can only give you a cross section of the public. like if they did the polling in an inner city neighborhood then went to an upperclass neighborhood they could possibly get different results.

well i dont understand why every person
i know wants us to pull out!!
the local polls here
and in sacramento say pull out
denver
reno
san fransico
houston
dallas
all local polls say pull out??????????
hummmmmmmmm??????????
so if all these places say we should pull out
and this is from local new papers!!
where are they getting the facts????
i have found any information has to be
done bye your self or a really creadable source!!
to many lies
our current gov sucks ass
bye that i mean the people in charge
if i had one wish it would be for people to open there eyes
and see whats going on
weve been sold to the highest bidder
and our country isnt any more
you can argue all you want to
but facts are facts
do some homework
look where the contracts go
look to see who owns your property
look to see owns the bank who owns your property
look to see owns your local shoping malls
once you start uncovering all these things
it will blow your mind!!!

Interesting article it seems that Iraq might be salavagible... if only the Iraqi goverment is replaced. That Times opinon article did mention that the it's goverment need to get it's self in order. But look at this article on Iraqi gov corruption..... http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20043428/

Bush recently said he still supports the current Prime Minister. The the Iraq is corrupt himself.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/30/opinion/30pollack.html?pagewanted=2&_r=1 This is an opinion article......

The only thing I can find that says 71% support going into Iraq was this article:
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4196/is_20070319/ai_n18739042
and it says, "During the first week of the war, 71% of Americans thought the U.S. "made the right decision" to use military force against Iraq." It is dated, Mar 19, 2007.
The article is talking about how public opinion has shifted since then.

This Poll By CNN is dated:
JUNE 26, 2007: Support for war reaches new low.

“A new low of 30 percent of Americans say they support the U.S. war in Iraq and, for the first time, most Americans say they don’t believe it is morally justified,” a new CNN poll finds. [CNN, 6/26/2007]

You can find it here:
http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/2007/images/06/26/rel7c.pdf
It will tell you how it was conducted as well.......

Art: Polls are like science experiments - they will support any conclusion you want.

Lulu: ahem. experiments don't work that way...heh...

Art: So cigarettes really are not harmful?

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ArtGurl, If you want to make a more accurate statement, you could say "Polls are like corporately funded "science" experiments."

The abuses done by some scientists when there is big money involved does not invalidate the methods or work of more honest scientists.

>>> Quantum physicists are saying that in an energy based world the act of observation affects outcome. It is curious...

*When* you are doing quantum mechanics. Just as a counter-example, observation does not measurably influence things like planetary motion. Speaking of ways people mis-representing truth, overgeneralizing is another great method.

The thing about polls is this: The results depend on WHO is being polled WHERE.

Ask this question, "Do you like country music?" to 100 people in Nashville,TN , and ask it to 100 people in Miami,FL. Think the percentages will be the same? If you do, you're kidding yourself. Polls are VERY EASILY MANIPULATED. Done right, you can get virtually any result you desire. If I wanted to "prove" the popularity of comic books via a poll, I'd ask 100 people-that I saw in a comic-book store. Nowhere does it say you have to make public knowledge the circumstances of conditions. In my scenerio, all I'd have to verify is that I did indeed ask 100 people. I'd never be required to say WHERE I asked them. I usually decide issues for myself, and I don't put ant stock in ANY poll, whether I agree with the results or not.

....ehem, and that's one way of looking at it, i however, see her statement to be simply an expanded perspective, not an overgeneralization, misrepresenting a subject


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Ah yes isn't it amazing that polls are only accurate when they support your particular point of view. To get the answer you want you must ask the right question. Have you ever participated in a political poll. By the time they get done asking the question you are so confused that you can hardly remember what the question was about. They never ask a straight out question is it always prefaced by something like "if the election were held today would you be more likely to vote for (name a candidate) or Atilla the Hun?" Further most polls are based on the answers of 1000 people or less. If you pick the right area, you get the answer you want. If you want an answer that supports the democrats, you ask people in a heavily democrat area or vice versa. Alway remember that figures don't lie, but liars do figure.

Hey, Forge, there you go agreeing with me again. I sense a trend here(LOL). Like I said earlier, I don't put any stock in any poll, regardless of whether I agree with the results or not. Polls count on location. If you were taking a poll on "should alcohol be banned?" and you wanted to show that people didn't want it banned, you'd conduct the poll in a bar or liquor store. All we get are the percentages. We don't get the whys and hows, which are actually more important.

DOWN WITH POLLS!

Even if the "result" supports my view.