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Topic: Jesus is not coming back any time soon, Pope says.
Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Wed 06/20/12 06:09 PM Edited by Jeanniebean on Wed 06/20/12 06:10 PM
Jesus is not coming back any time soon, Pope says. Not to worry. The Pope had "cautioned against any alarmism" over the "imminent" return of Christ, telling his readers not to be troubled or "shaken in mind" by the fact that "the day of Christ is at hand" because he does not believe that to be the case. Nothing new from his excellency. Last year, the Pope dismissed recurring "Messianical" predictions of the imminent end the world, saying "history is ongoing, and involves human tragedies and natural calamities." He added, echoing Pope John Paul II, his predecessor, "Do not be afraid." Of course we're not to be afraid! He sadly misses the point of studying prophecy like so many others! I'm sorry, but he needs to read his Bible again! An amazing 27% of the Bible is prophecy and 20% of the books of the Bible are prophetic. The existence of Jesus Christ is an historical fact so why would we ignore the prophecies of His Second Coming if it is mentioned almost twice as much as His First? Revelation 19:10 says, "The essence of prophecy is to give a clear witness for Jesus." Prophecy is all about Christ. We are also instructed to “watch and pray” for the Lord’s return. Jesus Himself chastised the Pharisees for not knowing the signs of the times in His day. So, He wants to us know the signs today, for they instill in us hope for the future and encourage us to evangelize the lost while there is still time. I fear that these influential "religious leaders" have grown too accustomed to their positions of power within the political landscape, and so much so that they have allowed the world (political correctness in particular) to cloud their judgement and understanding of what it means to be a true shepard to the flock. Given that the apostasy is all around us today we must realize that our time here is even shorter than we think it is.

Quietman_2009 Joined Wed 07/29/09 Posts: 7430	Wed 06/20/12 08:08 PM Edited by Quietman_2009 on Wed 06/20/12 08:10 PM
I wouldn't worry what the Pope says. He doesn't know if it's tomorrow or a hundred years from now. Jesus said NO one knows when. Not even him. Myself, I don't think he THE Pope. Just A Pope. Catholics are only one of a bunch of Churches. The oldest Christian Church is actually the Ethiopian Church

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Wed 06/20/12 08:10 PM
Jesus is not coming back any time soon, Pope says. Not to worry. The Pope had "cautioned against any alarmism" over the "imminent" return of Christ, telling his readers not to be troubled or "shaken in mind" by the fact that "the day of Christ is at hand" because he does not believe that to be the case. Nothing new from his excellency. Last year, the Pope dismissed recurring "Messianical" predictions of the imminent end the world, saying "history is ongoing, and involves human tragedies and natural calamities." He added, echoing Pope John Paul II, his predecessor, "Do not be afraid." Of course we're not to be afraid! He sadly misses the point of studying prophecy like so many others! I'm sorry, but he needs to read his Bible again! An amazing 27% of the Bible is prophecy and 20% of the books of the Bible are prophetic. The existence of Jesus Christ is an historical fact so why would we ignore the prophecies of His Second Coming if it is mentioned almost twice as much as His First? Revelation 19:10 says, "The essence of prophecy is to give a clear witness for Jesus." Prophecy is all about Christ. We are also instructed to “watch and pray” for the Lord’s return. Jesus Himself chastised the Pharisees for not knowing the signs of the times in His day. So, He wants to us know the signs today, for they instill in us hope for the future and encourage us to evangelize the lost while there is still time. I fear that these influential "religious leaders" have grown too accustomed to their positions of power within the political landscape, and so much so that they have allowed the world (political correctness in particular) to cloud their judgement and understanding of what it means to be a true shepard to the flock. Given that the apostasy is all around us today we must realize that our time here is even shorter than we think it is. 2 Peter 3:10 10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up 1 Thessalonians 5:2 2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. And last but not least. Matthew 24:36 36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. With the angels not even being given that knowledge, I truly doubt the pope knows any more then the angels do.

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Wed 06/20/12 08:14 PM
I wouldn't worry what the Pope says. He doesn't know if it's tomorrow or a hundred years from now. Jesus said NO one knows when. Not even him. Myself, I don't think he THE Pope. Just A Pope. Catholics are only one of a bunch of Churches. The oldest Christian Church is actually the Ethiopian Church Exactly, the pope is nothing "special" or "out of the ordinary". The scriptures don't support anything of us having a "link" to God, or having to go through anyone else but Jesus Christ. The scriptures don't support a "pope". That's just a catholic thing.

RKISIT Joined Tue 01/08/08 Posts: 16721	Thu 06/21/12 05:04 AM Edited by RKISIT on Thu 06/21/12 05:52 AM
According to matthew and luke Jesus was to appear while his disciples were still alive for his second coming and he didn't. People like to cram that verse down peoples throats about God only knowing when the second coming was going to happen,then you take what Jesus supposively said and add that verse to it it was referring to the disciples and apostles not knowing when the second coming was going to happen in their lifetime. It never happened.So to make up for it the church used Revelations and the verse of God only knowing when to fix that mistake.2,000 years and a Hitler later,no Jesus yet.

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Thu 06/21/12 06:04 AM
According to matthew and luke Jesus was to appear while his disciples were still alive for his second coming and he didn't. People like to cram that verse down peoples throats about God only knowing when the second coming was going to happen,then you take what Jesus supposively said and add that verse to it it was referring to the disciples and apostles not knowing when the second coming was going to happen in their lifetime. It never happened.So to make up for it the church used Revelations and the verse of God only knowing when to fix that mistake.2,000 years and a Hitler later,no Jesus yet. What are you talking about? Where does any of that say that Jesus would return in their life time? Which verse(s) say Jesus would appear while his disciples were still alive for his second coming? And what in the world does Hitler have to do with any of this?

RKISIT Joined Tue 01/08/08 Posts: 16721	Thu 06/21/12 06:20 AM
According to matthew and luke Jesus was to appear while his disciples were still alive for his second coming and he didn't. People like to cram that verse down peoples throats about God only knowing when the second coming was going to happen,then you take what Jesus supposively said and add that verse to it it was referring to the disciples and apostles not knowing when the second coming was going to happen in their lifetime. It never happened.So to make up for it the church used Revelations and the verse of God only knowing when to fix that mistake.2,000 years and a Hitler later,no Jesus yet. What are you talking about? Where does any of that say that Jesus would return in their life time? Which verse(s) say Jesus would appear while his disciples were still alive for his second coming? And what in the world does Hitler have to do with any of this? If you know your bible you'll know where luke and matthew claim Jesus would return in their lifetime or generation.It's also in the book of matthew that God will only know when this happenes in their lifetime.Hitler was the perfect antichrist why else would i mention him.

RKISIT Joined Tue 01/08/08 Posts: 16721	Thu 06/21/12 06:30 AM
Cowboy the verses perfectly state what they mean you can try to pull wool over peoples eyes with your theological apologetic BS all you want but the verses in matthew and luke specifically say jesus was to return in their lifetime.

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Thu 06/21/12 06:37 AM
According to matthew and luke Jesus was to appear while his disciples were still alive for his second coming and he didn't. People like to cram that verse down peoples throats about God only knowing when the second coming was going to happen,then you take what Jesus supposively said and add that verse to it it was referring to the disciples and apostles not knowing when the second coming was going to happen in their lifetime. It never happened.So to make up for it the church used Revelations and the verse of God only knowing when to fix that mistake.2,000 years and a Hitler later,no Jesus yet. What are you talking about? Where does any of that say that Jesus would return in their life time? Which verse(s) say Jesus would appear while his disciples were still alive for his second coming? And what in the world does Hitler have to do with any of this? If you know your bible you'll know where luke and matthew claim Jesus would return in their lifetime or generation.It's also in the book of matthew that God will only know when this happenes in their lifetime.Hitler was the perfect antichrist why else would i mention him. A generation does not have to be a life time of a person eg., your parents are another generation then you. Generation - a single step in natural descent, as of human beings, animals, or plants. We are the generation of this world, this generation is still here, it has not ended.

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Thu 06/21/12 06:41 AM
Cowboy the verses perfectly state what they mean you can try to pull wool over peoples eyes with your theological apologetic BS all you want but the verses in matthew and luke specifically say jesus was to return in their lifetime. He said NOTHING about their life time. Only "This generation". But when speaking of an eternal being, and the fact that "Generation" isn't set in stone in amount of time, it is only you that is assuming when he said "generation" he was referring to their life time.

Conrad_73 Joined Sat 09/29/07 Posts: 22488	Thu 06/21/12 06:43 AM
well,he ought to know,ain't he the "Bridge"?

RKISIT Joined Tue 01/08/08 Posts: 16721	Thu 06/21/12 06:57 AM
Cowboy the verses perfectly state what they mean you can try to pull wool over peoples eyes with your theological apologetic BS all you want but the verses in matthew and luke specifically say jesus was to return in their lifetime. He said NOTHING about their life time. Only "This generation". But when speaking of an eternal being, and the fact that "Generation" isn't set in stone in amount of time, it is only you that is assuming when he said "generation" he was referring to their life time. this is all crap cowboy you're trying to make a mistake and claim it to be what you want it to be.the facts are Jesus promised his second coming to his apostles,disciples and a high preist in their lifetime.You're just trying to manipulate it to make yourself believe he didn't promise it.Matthew,Luke and Mark have different stories about when the scribes and priest were there when jesus was brought to the high preist after his arrest.

RKISIT Joined Tue 01/08/08 Posts: 16721	Thu 06/21/12 07:14 AM
I'm getting bored with this,the bible is full of different accounts related to certain events,period.

Conrad_73 Joined Sat 09/29/07 Posts: 22488	Thu 06/21/12 07:22 AM
Cowboy the verses perfectly state what they mean you can try to pull wool over peoples eyes with your theological apologetic BS all you want but the verses in matthew and luke specifically say jesus was to return in their lifetime. He said NOTHING about their life time. Only "This generation". But when speaking of an eternal being, and the fact that "Generation" isn't set in stone in amount of time, it is only you that is assuming when he said "generation" he was referring to their life time. But there can't be no Generations in Eternity,or it wouldn't be Eternity!

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Thu 06/21/12 07:41 AM
I believe the Pope. He is trying to tell us something. Jesus isn't coming back any time soon.

Joelcool7 Joined Tue 06/12/12 Posts: 55	Thu 06/21/12 08:06 AM
Umm Mr.Pope when was the last time you read your Bible? It sort of says no one will know the day or the hour. Also their is a whole parable about the lamp oil running out as a group waited for the wedding bride. The Bible says never to fall asleep in your faith and always be ready for the coming of Christ. So this means the pope is indeed telling people to fall asleep and he is preaching directly contrary to the Bible! The pope is a man best case scenerio he's a brilliant man of God worst case he's a crooked dictator that nobody can control. Either way he's just a human being, God is soveirgn over everything in the world so ya in that sense the pope speaks for God I guess. But the pope is human he makes mistakes like every other human. Some popes have been brilliant men and I wouldn't say the pope is any worse then say my pastor. But he is still a man and he will make mistakes he is not infaulable!

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Thu 06/21/12 08:12 AM
Umm Mr.Pope when was the last time you read your Bible? It sort of says no one will know the day or the hour. Also their is a whole parable about the lamp oil running out as a group waited for the wedding bride. The Bible says never to fall asleep in your faith and always be ready for the coming of Christ. So this means the pope is indeed telling people to fall asleep and he is preaching directly contrary to the Bible! The pope is a man best case scenerio he's a brilliant man of God worst case he's a crooked dictator that nobody can control. Either way he's just a human being, God is soveirgn over everything in the world so ya in that sense the pope speaks for God I guess. But the pope is human he makes mistakes like every other human. Some popes have been brilliant men and I wouldn't say the pope is any worse then say my pastor. But he is still a man and he will make mistakes he is not infaulable! I think he was trying to quell all the ridiculous talk about the end of the world coming from so many religious fanatics.

Joelcool7 Joined Tue 06/12/12 Posts: 55	Thu 06/21/12 08:26 AM
Hey can I see a source for this? I have my doubts to its authenticity, I tried to locate the source material on Google and didn't see it their. I highly doubt the pope would actually tell people not to be prepared for the coming of Christ essentially. Also I want to see more of what was said then just a couple snippets taken out of context. I'm not Catholic and I believe the pope is just a man. However I don't think he would openly contradict the Bible!

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Thu 06/21/12 08:33 AM
Hey can I see a source for this? I have my doubts to its authenticity, I tried to locate the source material on Google and didn't see it their. I highly doubt the pope would actually tell people not to be prepared for the coming of Christ essentially. Also I want to see more of what was said then just a couple snippets taken out of context. I'm not Catholic and I believe the pope is just a man. However I don't think he would openly contradict the Bible! here are a few: http://www.lookupfellowship.com/2008/12/pope-end-times-jesus-return-not-close.html http://clericalwhispers.blogspot.com/2008/12/pope-says-end-of-world-not-nigh.html http://truedsicernment.com/2008/12/17/pope-says-dont-worry-the-return-of-christ-is-not-near/ http://truedsicernment.com/2008/12/17/pope-says-dont-worry-the-return-of-christ-is-not-near/

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Thu 06/21/12 08:34 AM Edited by Jeanniebean on Thu 06/21/12 08:35 AM
I'm not Catholic and I believe the pope is just a man. However I don't think he would openly contradict the Bible! Seriously? You are such a babe in the woods. No offense.