Topic: Obama asserts executive privilege
Lpdon's photo
Wed 06/20/12 10:11 PM



Obama passed no 'immgiration law', he set forth a TEMPORARY Administrative policy which is his within his authority as President

there is no evidence that he authorized supplying weapons to cartels or that it would be illegal to have done so


Omg msharmony are you serious?! He bypassed Congress because they refused to pass it the first time. He abused his power by doing so all for the sake of a vote.

I won't EVEN comment on your second statement. Why do you think he and his cronies are trying to keep from having the documents released? This is the most corrupt administration in the history of this country. Nothing but thugs in suits.


Some people just don't understand.................

msharmony's photo
Wed 06/20/12 11:24 PM
Edited by msharmony on Wed 06/20/12 11:26 PM




Obama passed no 'immgiration law', he set forth a TEMPORARY Administrative policy which is his within his authority as President

there is no evidence that he authorized supplying weapons to cartels or that it would be illegal to have done so


Omg msharmony are you serious?! He bypassed Congress because they refused to pass it the first time. He abused his power by doing so all for the sake of a vote.

I won't EVEN comment on your second statement. Why do you think he and his cronies are trying to keep from having the documents released? This is the most corrupt administration in the history of this country. Nothing but thugs in suits.


Some people just don't understand.................


I know, right?

thats why I ASK questions,,,

specifically, what I dont understand, is the UNIQUE status given this president

for instance, if judy, jane, janet, and jill all filled their bra with toilet paper to deceive a guy

how would any of them earn a DISTINCTLY negative reputation because of it,,how would any of them earn an exclusive and superior disdain if all commit the same action?

this is the question I have about some of the statements about the POTUS,, as if he is the 'worst' but the examples given are of things that other presidents have likewise done,,,,,

msharmony's photo
Wed 06/20/12 11:25 PM



The majority of the people want his resignation. Not gonna happen. King Barry and his band of merry men think they own everything.


more people probably want congress to resign judging by approval ratings

but thats not gonna happen either,,,,

so we can stick to voting ,,,,

AdventureBegins's photo
Wed 06/20/12 11:50 PM


I take great pleasure in seeing this dictator dig his hole even deeper. Hispanics, take note and ponder this...

Obama passed his own immigration law, overriding Congress, with work permits available. All the while he authorized the supply of American weapons to Mexican drug cartels.

Sounds to me that he doesn't give a shiit about innocent Hispanics personally, if he puts them at risk of being murdered by drug gangs while trying to come across the border.

May this be proof enough of his personal agenda of merely trying to win the Hispanic vote.


Obama passed no 'immgiration law', he set forth a TEMPORARY Administrative policy which is his within his authority as President

there is no evidence that he authorized supplying weapons to cartels or that it would be illegal to have done so




Administrative policy is a lawful act for a President.

However the President is constrained by the Founding Documents and the Rule of Law that has sprung from those documents.

It is not Lawful for the President to authorize actions by policy that directly contravene an Action of Congress as Congress represents the Will of the People.

His action creates an imbalance in the Balance of Powers.

AdventureBegins's photo
Wed 06/20/12 11:57 PM


I think the President should have the executive privilege , but it was meant to be used rarely not on a daily bases to protect your friends.



I agree

from ABC news

'President Obama today invoked executive privilege to shield documents related to the "Fast and Furious" gun walking scandal from a congressional investigation, marking the first time his administration has invoked the right and the 25th time it's been used since 1980.'

First... President Obama has not used executive privilege until now for anyone.

Second... Why do you think he used it?... We (as a Nation) through our Presidential Offices have shipped WEAPONS to the opponents of a friendly nation!

It is the Iran/Contra problem in miniture with the added aggregious point that the Nation the weapons went to was a FRIEND.

and money was made...

when the money trail becomes obvious.

Heads will roll.

msharmony's photo
Thu 06/21/12 12:04 AM



I think the President should have the executive privilege , but it was meant to be used rarely not on a daily bases to protect your friends.



I agree

from ABC news

'President Obama today invoked executive privilege to shield documents related to the "Fast and Furious" gun walking scandal from a congressional investigation, marking the first time his administration has invoked the right and the 25th time it's been used since 1980.'

First... President Obama has not used executive privilege until now for anyone.

Second... Why do you think he used it?... We (as a Nation) through our Presidential Offices have shipped WEAPONS to the opponents of a friendly nation!

It is the Iran/Contra problem in miniture with the added aggregious point that the Nation the weapons went to was a FRIEND.

and money was made...

when the money trail becomes obvious.

Heads will roll.



I dont know why he used it. I just know it was within his power and not something he has done until now. I dont find it an unreasonable possibility that information was SENSITIVE enough as to not become public , global, internet fodder by being read or released in a congressional hearing.

But I Am maybe one of the few who do believe there are things that are better left UNKNOWN by the public in the internet age when it comes to security.

Conrad_73's photo
Thu 06/21/12 01:46 AM
this is how much they actually care!
Mind you,it is from a satirical site,but sure brings some of the attitudes to light!

http://thepeoplescube.com/peoples-blog/faster-furiouser-t9161.html




msharmony's photo
Thu 06/21/12 02:06 AM
lets not leave anyone out







DISCLAIMER: I have no idea of the validity of what either picture suggests,,,just throwing them out there, like most people,,lol

Sojourning_Soul's photo
Thu 06/21/12 05:34 AM

lets not leave anyone out







DISCLAIMER: I have no idea of the validity of what either picture suggests,,,just throwing them out there, like most people,,lol


The "states" were granted powers under the 10th amendment. RP is not about giving the state more power, just restoring power to the states and taking it back from an over reaching federal govt.

Within the states, the people are closer to their govt, more capable of petitioning that govt, and therefore having more say as to the powers of that govt.

One size does not fit all as the fed tries to impose, it is harder to get states to agree on a federal level, and the public has little to no chance for a voice in the federal process.

That picture is actually a plus for the good Dr., but the error of it is the word "controlled". RP wants the people to control govt, even on a state level (where they have a better chance), so it is a false statement in that regard.

Sojourning_Soul's photo
Thu 06/21/12 05:38 AM
Edited by Sojourning_Soul on Thu 06/21/12 05:45 AM
As this shows... Obozo has no care for what "the people" want to know, he uses the power of the office to prevent information that may be used against him or his cronies, and in this case.....to get away with murder! He is doing the same for Holders involvement in Fast & Furious....so much for the transparency of govt he promised!

http://news.yahoo.com/wh-rejects-requests-targeted-killing-papers-061714975.html

WH rejects requests for 'targeted killing' papers
Associated PressBy LOU KESTEN | Associated Press – 5 hrs ago

WASHINGTON (AP) — The Obama administration has rejected requests from The New York Times and the American Civil Liberties Union seeking information about its "targeted killing" program against suspected terrorists, saying the release of the requested documents would harm national security.

Under the Freedom of Information Act, the Times and the ACLU sought records regarding the legal justifications for the alleged U.S. government killing of U.S. citizens and others associated with al-Qaida and other terrorist groups.

In a court document filed late Wednesday in New York in response to an ACLU lawsuit, the Justice Department said that "even to describe the numbers and details of most of these documents would reveal information that could damage the government's counterterrorism efforts."

The administration said the information requested is "highly classified," even though details of such operations have been leaked to the media.

"For example, whether or not the United States government conducted the particular operations that led to the deaths of Anwar al-Awlaki and the other individuals named in the FOIA requests remains classified," the government wrote. The U.S.-born al-Awlaki, an al-Qaida leader, was killed in a U.S. drone strike in Yemen in September.

"Likewise, whether or not the CIA has the authority to be, or is in fact, directly involved in targeted lethal operations remains classified," the government wrote.

In response to the government filing, ACLU Deputy Legal Director Jameel Jaffer said Thursday: "The notion that the CIA's targeted killing program is still a secret is beyond absurd. Senior officials have discussed it, both on the record and off."

The Justice Department, however, said, "None of those statements or reports constitutes an official disclosure that could vitiate agencies' ability to safeguard the classified and other statutorily protected information at issue here."

The administration acknowledged public concern about U.S. use of targeted killings, and said it has tried to "set forth for the American people the legal analysis and process involved in the determination whether to use lethal force." Those efforts have included speeches by a number of U.S. officials, including Attorney General Eric Holder.

But it maintained that the requested records would reveal "whether or not the U.S. government possesses specific intelligence information about particular individuals. Yet, Congress has made the judgment in the CIA Act and the National Security Act that information concerning such intelligence sources and methods should be exempt from public disclosure."

The ACLU's Jaffer said, "The public is entitled to know more about the legal authority the administration is claiming and the way that the administration is using it."

"We continue to have profound concerns with the power the administration is claiming and with the proposition that the president should be permitted to exercise this power without oversight by the courts," Jaffer said.

TJN's photo
Thu 06/21/12 06:32 AM




The majority of the people want his resignation. Not gonna happen. King Barry and his band of merry men think they own everything.


more people probably want congress to resign judging by approval ratings

but thats not gonna happen either,,,,

so we can stick to voting ,,,,

But we the people don't vote for the AG. He was appointed by the president.
It's a load of crap that Obama is abusing his powers to cover up F and F.
If they have nothing to hide then release the documents. At least release them to congress.

no photo
Thu 06/21/12 09:12 AM

msharmony's photo
Thu 06/21/12 11:58 AM


lets not leave anyone out







DISCLAIMER: I have no idea of the validity of what either picture suggests,,,just throwing them out there, like most people,,lol


The "states" were granted powers under the 10th amendment. RP is not about giving the state more power, just restoring power to the states and taking it back from an over reaching federal govt.

Within the states, the people are closer to their govt, more capable of petitioning that govt, and therefore having more say as to the powers of that govt.

One size does not fit all as the fed tries to impose, it is harder to get states to agree on a federal level, and the public has little to no chance for a voice in the federal process.

That picture is actually a plus for the good Dr., but the error of it is the word "controlled". RP wants the people to control govt, even on a state level (where they have a better chance), so it is a false statement in that regard.



why do they have a better chance with a state government than a federal one?

I dont follow the logic....

where do you draw the conclusion that people are 'closer' to their state governments?

Giocamo's photo
Thu 06/21/12 12:21 PM
I'm from Chicago...well actually the suburbs...(I wouldn't live in the city )...and...I've seen this act for decades...politicians from this state / city...are the most underhanded...corrupt...on the take...deny and accuse bunch you'll ever see...thank God in another 4 months or so...we won't have to watch this c**p anymore...this country...has NEVER been more divided...just like the city of Chicago...

Sojourning_Soul's photo
Thu 06/21/12 02:48 PM
Edited by Sojourning_Soul on Thu 06/21/12 02:50 PM



lets not leave anyone out







DISCLAIMER: I have no idea of the validity of what either picture suggests,,,just throwing them out there, like most people,,lol


The "states" were granted powers under the 10th amendment. RP is not about giving the state more power, just restoring power to the states and taking it back from an over reaching federal govt.

Within the states, the people are closer to their govt, more capable of petitioning that govt, and therefore having more say as to the powers of that govt.

One size does not fit all as the fed tries to impose, it is harder to get states to agree on a federal level, and the public has little to no chance for a voice in the federal process.

That picture is actually a plus for the good Dr., but the error of it is the word "controlled". RP wants the people to control govt, even on a state level (where they have a better chance), so it is a false statement in that regard.



why do they have a better chance with a state government than a federal one?

I dont follow the logic....

where do you draw the conclusion that people are 'closer' to their state governments?


Just as the RP movement is showing, a small number of "active" individuals can make a difference by becoming elected to the lower ranks of govt, starting at the state level.

Of course, it helps if you believe in something that people recognize with and support.

Let's see you get an audience with your congressman/woman in DC! Obozos new laws against the 1st amendment has even made that less of a possibility!

There is no hope (unless your name is Obozo, you're a minority, and a banker "yes man", or a willingly corruptable puppet) of influencing anything to do with govt from the top down!

They call it the "UNITED STATES" for a reason! Each has its own set of laws that the feds now, unconstitutionally, are trying to usurp!

An example is the California laws on medical marijuana, the Arizona laws on immigration!

It is NOT the feds job to control, it is their job to DEFEND! But they don't see or want it that way!

msharmony's photo
Thu 06/21/12 02:58 PM




lets not leave anyone out







DISCLAIMER: I have no idea of the validity of what either picture suggests,,,just throwing them out there, like most people,,lol


The "states" were granted powers under the 10th amendment. RP is not about giving the state more power, just restoring power to the states and taking it back from an over reaching federal govt.

Within the states, the people are closer to their govt, more capable of petitioning that govt, and therefore having more say as to the powers of that govt.

One size does not fit all as the fed tries to impose, it is harder to get states to agree on a federal level, and the public has little to no chance for a voice in the federal process.

That picture is actually a plus for the good Dr., but the error of it is the word "controlled". RP wants the people to control govt, even on a state level (where they have a better chance), so it is a false statement in that regard.



why do they have a better chance with a state government than a federal one?

I dont follow the logic....

where do you draw the conclusion that people are 'closer' to their state governments?


Just as the RP movement is showing, a small number of "active" individuals can make a difference by becoming elected to the lower ranks of govt, starting at the state level.

Of course, it helps if you believe in something that people recognize with and support.

Let's see you get an audience with your congressman/woman in DC! Obozos new laws against the 1st amendment has even made that less of a possibility!

There is no hope (unless your name is Obozo, you're a minority, and a banker "yes man", or a willingly corruptable puppet) of influencing anything to do with govt from the top down!

They call it the "UNITED STATES" for a reason! Each has its own set of laws that the feds now, unconstitutionally, are trying to usurp!

An example is the California laws on medical marijuana, the Arizona laws on immigration!

It is NOT the feds job to control, it is their job to DEFEND! But they don't see or want it that way!


each state still DOES Have a state constitution

but we also have a universal (UNITED) constitution to form the foundation of what keeps them all a part of the same 'american' entity

the states are no more infallible than the feds and Im surprised so many people fall for the rhetoric claiming otherwise,,,,

Sojourning_Soul's photo
Thu 06/21/12 04:34 PM

The FED makes laws that affect everyone even if they don't apply to them...Obozocare and insurance is a good example!

Rates for insurance go up on a family in Utah so someone can have a house on the beach here in Florida....Corporatism at its best!

Corporatism is fascism, enslaving us all to a master without choice!

States have rights, and laws, and can levy taxes under the constitution, incorporated states then pay a percentage to the FED.

After 1913 the Fed Resereve Act enslaved the people to the banks, the IRS was created by the FED as slave masters to collect on the now enslaved individual as well creating a double tax, without representation or ratification!

In 1971 we were taken from the gold standard disconnecting our last link to a commodity backed monetary system.

After that, laws were changed to give corporations the rights of individuals, further removing the power of the people, while still giving them the illusion of choice in elections.

Now we have a POTUS who thinks he is GOD with the power to give or take life, give or take freedoms, over ride the congress and courts, which is the voice and safety of the people.

He now thinks he has the power to rewrite law as in the case of his immigration EO.

Your glorious leader is a fascist, dictator, wannabe King, who thinks himself GOD, plays the race card to divide a nation and its people, then creates an event to further pass laws that would otherwise be nonexistent except for his intervention in them.

He hides behind his race, enacts unconstitutional laws, then challenges the right of the people and their defenses by example he creates!

The devil would be jealous, and probably wouldn't let him into hell thinking he might usurp his power as well!

msharmony's photo
Thu 06/21/12 05:04 PM


The FED makes laws that affect everyone even if they don't apply to them...Obozocare and insurance is a good example!

Rates for insurance go up on a family in Utah so someone can have a house on the beach here in Florida....Corporatism at its best!

Corporatism is fascism, enslaving us all to a master without choice!

States have rights, and laws, and can levy taxes under the constitution, incorporated states then pay a percentage to the FED.

After 1913 the Fed Resereve Act enslaved the people to the banks, the IRS was created by the FED as slave masters to collect on the now enslaved individual as well creating a double tax, without representation or ratification!

In 1971 we were taken from the gold standard disconnecting our last link to a commodity backed monetary system.

After that, laws were changed to give corporations the rights of individuals, further removing the power of the people, while still giving them the illusion of choice in elections.

Now we have a POTUS who thinks he is GOD with the power to give or take life, give or take freedoms, over ride the congress and courts, which is the voice and safety of the people.

He now thinks he has the power to rewrite law as in the case of his immigration EO.

Your glorious leader is a fascist, dictator, wannabe King, who thinks himself GOD, plays the race card to divide a nation and its people, then creates an event to further pass laws that would otherwise be nonexistent except for his intervention in them.

He hides behind his race, enacts unconstitutional laws, then challenges the right of the people and their defenses by example he creates!

The devil would be jealous, and probably wouldn't let him into hell thinking he might usurp his power as well!



I dont see how healthcare reform doesnt affect them

what would be the justification for raising rates if MORE people are becoming insured?

doesnt that fly in the face of raising the rates to cover those who 'arent' insured?

the POTUS Hasnt rewritten any law, he has given a directive cocerning CURRENT policy

there is no way to hide behind race when you are a black male, he is no more a KING Than the congress who write and present him with the bills that he RARELY vetoes,,,

he has rarely brought up race unless PRODDED by others insistance that he does and would hardly have done it enough to be the cause for any racial seperation in this country,

the devil was jealous of God, so I consider that a compliment to OBama who, as a supporter, I have never thought of as one despite the insistent ramblings of haters who insist his supporters have said so,,,,but also are the main ones expecting him to perform miracles,,,

Sojourning_Soul's photo
Thu 06/21/12 05:41 PM



The FED makes laws that affect everyone even if they don't apply to them...Obozocare and insurance is a good example!

Rates for insurance go up on a family in Utah so someone can have a house on the beach here in Florida....Corporatism at its best!

Corporatism is fascism, enslaving us all to a master without choice!

States have rights, and laws, and can levy taxes under the constitution, incorporated states then pay a percentage to the FED.

After 1913 the Fed Resereve Act enslaved the people to the banks, the IRS was created by the FED as slave masters to collect on the now enslaved individual as well creating a double tax, without representation or ratification!

In 1971 we were taken from the gold standard disconnecting our last link to a commodity backed monetary system.

After that, laws were changed to give corporations the rights of individuals, further removing the power of the people, while still giving them the illusion of choice in elections.

Now we have a POTUS who thinks he is GOD with the power to give or take life, give or take freedoms, over ride the congress and courts, which is the voice and safety of the people.

He now thinks he has the power to rewrite law as in the case of his immigration EO.

Your glorious leader is a fascist, dictator, wannabe King, who thinks himself GOD, plays the race card to divide a nation and its people, then creates an event to further pass laws that would otherwise be nonexistent except for his intervention in them.

He hides behind his race, enacts unconstitutional laws, then challenges the right of the people and their defenses by example he creates!

The devil would be jealous, and probably wouldn't let him into hell thinking he might usurp his power as well!



I dont see how healthcare reform doesnt affect them

what would be the justification for raising rates if MORE people are becoming insured?

doesnt that fly in the face of raising the rates to cover those who 'arent' insured?

the POTUS Hasnt rewritten any law, he has given a directive cocerning CURRENT policy

there is no way to hide behind race when you are a black male, he is no more a KING Than the congress who write and present him with the bills that he RARELY vetoes,,,

he has rarely brought up race unless PRODDED by others insistance that he does and would hardly have done it enough to be the cause for any racial seperation in this country,

the devil was jealous of God, so I consider that a compliment to OBama who, as a supporter, I have never thought of as one despite the insistent ramblings of haters who insist his supporters have said so,,,,but also are the main ones expecting him to perform miracles,,,


rofl Your arguments, I'm sorry to say, are truely getting laughable

msharmony's photo
Thu 06/21/12 05:43 PM




The FED makes laws that affect everyone even if they don't apply to them...Obozocare and insurance is a good example!

Rates for insurance go up on a family in Utah so someone can have a house on the beach here in Florida....Corporatism at its best!

Corporatism is fascism, enslaving us all to a master without choice!

States have rights, and laws, and can levy taxes under the constitution, incorporated states then pay a percentage to the FED.

After 1913 the Fed Resereve Act enslaved the people to the banks, the IRS was created by the FED as slave masters to collect on the now enslaved individual as well creating a double tax, without representation or ratification!

In 1971 we were taken from the gold standard disconnecting our last link to a commodity backed monetary system.

After that, laws were changed to give corporations the rights of individuals, further removing the power of the people, while still giving them the illusion of choice in elections.

Now we have a POTUS who thinks he is GOD with the power to give or take life, give or take freedoms, over ride the congress and courts, which is the voice and safety of the people.

He now thinks he has the power to rewrite law as in the case of his immigration EO.

Your glorious leader is a fascist, dictator, wannabe King, who thinks himself GOD, plays the race card to divide a nation and its people, then creates an event to further pass laws that would otherwise be nonexistent except for his intervention in them.

He hides behind his race, enacts unconstitutional laws, then challenges the right of the people and their defenses by example he creates!

The devil would be jealous, and probably wouldn't let him into hell thinking he might usurp his power as well!



I dont see how healthcare reform doesnt affect them

what would be the justification for raising rates if MORE people are becoming insured?

doesnt that fly in the face of raising the rates to cover those who 'arent' insured?

the POTUS Hasnt rewritten any law, he has given a directive cocerning CURRENT policy

there is no way to hide behind race when you are a black male, he is no more a KING Than the congress who write and present him with the bills that he RARELY vetoes,,,

he has rarely brought up race unless PRODDED by others insistance that he does and would hardly have done it enough to be the cause for any racial seperation in this country,

the devil was jealous of God, so I consider that a compliment to OBama who, as a supporter, I have never thought of as one despite the insistent ramblings of haters who insist his supporters have said so,,,,but also are the main ones expecting him to perform miracles,,,


rofl Your arguments, I'm sorry to say, are truely getting laughable



the feeling is quite mutual,,,,laugh