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Topic: Obama creates 1000's of jobs with one stroke of a pen...
mightymoe's photo
Tue 06/19/12 11:25 AM



to clarify

all I have read so far has to do with those ALREADY HERE NOW, and how immigration is to handle them 'temporarily'


EMPHASIS on ALL I HAVE READ

I dont believe all the initial sensational reports across the internet,, I like to see and research things a bit further

so , I have READ it is temporary, so it MAY be temporary

it also may not

Id like to READ what was actually signed,,,


i guess you will have to wait, because it isn't even posted in the white house website yet... i wonder why?

http://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/executive-orders


lol, you really have to wonder?

could it be because media gets a nugget and runs with it before all the facts are in, or even decided upon?


laugh

i was actually thinking he is hiding something, in the "more transparant gov." he was talking about....

Sojourning_Soul's photo
Tue 06/19/12 11:27 AM
Edited by Sojourning_Soul on Tue 06/19/12 11:29 AM



to clarify

all I have read so far has to do with those ALREADY HERE NOW, and how immigration is to handle them 'temporarily'


EMPHASIS on ALL I HAVE READ

I dont believe all the initial sensational reports across the internet,, I like to see and research things a bit further

so , I have READ it is temporary, so it MAY be temporary

it also may not

Id like to READ what was actually signed,,,


And ALL against the rule of law in the first place....but since it's Obozo, in your eyes, it's ok, because he who ignores the laws isn't expected to follow them in the 1st place!

THEY CALL THEM ILLEGALS FOR A REASON!


what is against rule of law?


We have immigration laws, which they broke to be here whether it was them or their parents!

Illegal is a status, NOT a goal! Obozo is trying to make it one....WITH BENEFITS!


Why do we have laws if it's ok for illegals to break them and profit from it, when WE can't!?

msharmony's photo
Tue 06/19/12 11:30 AM
worst journalistic example I have EVER read

the executive order numbers do not match up

and the numbers that are there are for orders signed by OTHER PRESIDENTS

and

obamas orders are numbered 13489-13615, FAR LESS than 900



here is the federal archive of executive orders

http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/executive-orders/disposition.html

msharmony's photo
Tue 06/19/12 11:31 AM
worst journalistic example I have EVER read

the executive order numbers do not match up

and the numbers that are there are for orders signed by OTHER PRESIDENTS

and

obamas orders are numbered 13489-13615, FAR LESS than 900



here is the federal archive of executive orders

http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/executive-orders/disposition.html

mightymoe's photo
Tue 06/19/12 11:37 AM

worst journalistic example I have EVER read

the executive order numbers do not match up

and the numbers that are there are for orders signed by OTHER PRESIDENTS

and

obamas orders are numbered 13489-13615, FAR LESS than 900



here is the federal archive of executive orders

http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/executive-orders/disposition.html


i guess you forget the government lies... good thing we have these other websites to tell the real truth!...

laugh laugh laugh

Sojourning_Soul's photo
Tue 06/19/12 11:40 AM
Edited by Sojourning_Soul on Tue 06/19/12 11:41 AM
Guess you can't call it a crime if you have the power to bypass congress and the people, and write a law saying it's not

willing2's photo
Tue 06/19/12 11:42 AM
Edited by willing2 on Tue 06/19/12 12:12 PM
Where are all the politicians who should be calling for the repeal and his resignation?

Prolly checkin' this out.

So easy to keep the straight ones entertained.:wink: smokin


Sojourning_Soul's photo
Tue 06/19/12 11:48 AM
Edited by Sojourning_Soul on Tue 06/19/12 11:56 AM

Where are all the politicians who should be calling for the repeal and his resignation?


They all serve the same masters....the banksters and crony corporations who fund them! THEY'LL NEVER BITE THE HAND THAT FEEDS THEM!

Conrad_73's photo
Tue 06/19/12 12:23 PM
Aymayzing!

msharmony's photo
Tue 06/19/12 12:33 PM
from the DHS website

Only those individuals who can prove through verifiable documentation that they meet these criteria will be eligible for deferred action. Individuals will not be eligible if they are not currently in the United States and cannot prove that they have been physically present in the United States for a period of not less than 5 years immediately preceding today’s date. Deferred action requests are decided on a case-by-case basis. DHS cannot provide any assurance that all such requests will be granted. The use of prosecutorial discretion confers no substantive right, immigration status, or pathway to citizenship. Only the Congress, acting through its legislative authority, can confer these rights.


no new 'rights' granted here,,only a deferment that is left to prosecutorial discretion,,,

prosecutorial discretion is a major component of immigration already,, automatic or immediate deportation are up to the discretion of dhs,, they were not MANDATES.....they review each case on its specific cicrumstances

thats why it takes so frigging long,,,,

willing2's photo
Tue 06/19/12 12:36 PM
I wonder how easy it is to get a stolen ID and SSN to prove eligibility?

Ya' know why the Libs call them undocumented?

Cuz, they didn't carry any papers here when they jumped the border.

How they supposed to prove who they really are? Swear on a Koran?slaphead

rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl

msharmony's photo
Tue 06/19/12 12:48 PM

I wonder how easy it is to get a stolen ID and SSN to prove eligibility?

Ya' know why the Libs call them undocumented?

Cuz, they didn't carry any papers here when they jumped the border.

How they supposed to prove who they really are? Swear on a Koran?slaphead

rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl


this is a common myth confusing undocumented with illegal

many people here 'illegally' did not come in illegally, they came in with a valid entry but let it expire or didnt meet the obligations of the entry,,,,these people would still have documents to prove when they entered,,,,

there would also be proof, regardless of their legal identity, of how long they were enrolled in the school system,,,,


willing2's photo
Tue 06/19/12 12:54 PM


I wonder how easy it is to get a stolen ID and SSN to prove eligibility?

Ya' know why the Libs call them undocumented?

Cuz, they didn't carry any papers here when they jumped the border.

How they supposed to prove who they really are? Swear on a Koran?slaphead

rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl


this is a common myth confusing undocumented with illegal

many people here 'illegally' did not come in illegally, they came in with a valid entry but let it expire or didnt meet the obligations of the entry,,,,these people would still have documents to prove when they entered,,,,

there would also be proof, regardless of their legal identity, of how long they were enrolled in the school system,,,,



The word I would use is "some".

Remember, NumbersUSA, who has been a watchdog on Immigration numbers put the number of illegals, 5 years ago at near 22 million. Most, come without papers.

The ones who used to be caught were only re-identified by photos and fingerprints. They generally don't give their real names.

msharmony's photo
Tue 06/19/12 01:21 PM



I wonder how easy it is to get a stolen ID and SSN to prove eligibility?

Ya' know why the Libs call them undocumented?

Cuz, they didn't carry any papers here when they jumped the border.

How they supposed to prove who they really are? Swear on a Koran?slaphead

rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl


this is a common myth confusing undocumented with illegal

many people here 'illegally' did not come in illegally, they came in with a valid entry but let it expire or didnt meet the obligations of the entry,,,,these people would still have documents to prove when they entered,,,,

there would also be proof, regardless of their legal identity, of how long they were enrolled in the school system,,,,



The word I would use is "some".

Remember, NumbersUSA, who has been a watchdog on Immigration numbers put the number of illegals, 5 years ago at near 22 million. Most, come without papers.

The ones who used to be caught were only re-identified by photos and fingerprints. They generally don't give their real names.


how does the source gather its information?

the DHS themselves cant keep up with the numbers

http://www.aim.org/guest-column/almost-half-of-illegal-aliens-entered-u-s-legally-but-overstayed-visas-senators-say/

mightymoe's photo
Tue 06/19/12 02:15 PM


I wonder how easy it is to get a stolen ID and SSN to prove eligibility?

Ya' know why the Libs call them undocumented?

Cuz, they didn't carry any papers here when they jumped the border.

How they supposed to prove who they really are? Swear on a Koran?slaphead

rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl


this is a common myth confusing undocumented with illegal

many people here 'illegally' did not come in illegally, they came in with a valid entry but let it expire or didnt meet the obligations of the entry,,,,these people would still have documents to prove when they entered,,,,

there would also be proof, regardless of their legal identity, of how long they were enrolled in the school system,,,,




whats the difference? they are here without following the laws, doesn't that make them illegal? undocumented is just a liberal PC term....

msharmony's photo
Tue 06/19/12 02:25 PM



I wonder how easy it is to get a stolen ID and SSN to prove eligibility?

Ya' know why the Libs call them undocumented?

Cuz, they didn't carry any papers here when they jumped the border.

How they supposed to prove who they really are? Swear on a Koran?slaphead

rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl


this is a common myth confusing undocumented with illegal

many people here 'illegally' did not come in illegally, they came in with a valid entry but let it expire or didnt meet the obligations of the entry,,,,these people would still have documents to prove when they entered,,,,

there would also be proof, regardless of their legal identity, of how long they were enrolled in the school system,,,,




whats the difference? they are here without following the laws, doesn't that make them illegal? undocumented is just a liberal PC term....



lets see

the difference is between, a doctor who is 'licensed' to practice medicine and lets the license expire

and someone who never had a doctors license to begin with


at some point, there was the effort to follow proper procedure in the first case

in the second case, there was OUTRIGHT and upfront Disregard for the laws,,,

mightymoe's photo
Tue 06/19/12 05:49 PM




I wonder how easy it is to get a stolen ID and SSN to prove eligibility?

Ya' know why the Libs call them undocumented?

Cuz, they didn't carry any papers here when they jumped the border.

How they supposed to prove who they really are? Swear on a Koran?slaphead

rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl


this is a common myth confusing undocumented with illegal

many people here 'illegally' did not come in illegally, they came in with a valid entry but let it expire or didnt meet the obligations of the entry,,,,these people would still have documents to prove when they entered,,,,

there would also be proof, regardless of their legal identity, of how long they were enrolled in the school system,,,,




whats the difference? they are here without following the laws, doesn't that make them illegal? undocumented is just a liberal PC term....



lets see

the difference is between, a doctor who is 'licensed' to practice medicine and lets the license expire

and someone who never had a doctors license to begin with


at some point, there was the effort to follow proper procedure in the first case

in the second case, there was OUTRIGHT and upfront Disregard for the laws,,,


i think your a little confused... think about what 'undocumented' means and explain the doctor theory again...un means no, none...documented means has papers, they know who they are... so un-documented would mean what now?

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