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Topic: Just curious....
Sojourning_Soul's photo
Sun 06/17/12 05:30 PM




"gay americans who didnt want to have to hide their sexuality to serve"


The ones who are targeted now for hate crime abuses, brought division to our fighting forces? I'm not against an American wanting to defend their country, or gays, but this act was far more destructive than helpful to our fighting forces!


"millions of americans who will not be turned down for healthcare"


And the millions of hard working Americans who will now be more heavily taxed, sold to special interest insurance conglomorates, small business and individuals that will suffer under those mandates, rising insurance cost to individuals with private insurance and a reduction of quality and covered services?"


"troops who will not have to stay in Iraq"


Yep, now they are free to go to Libya, Syria, Iran or the next war he starts without a declaration of war from congress!


"troops who will come home from afghanistan"


Funny.... Then I guess him signing us on for 10 more years and $1 Trillion in foreign aid was a figment of our imagination?


"auto makers who kept their jobs and climbed back to the top to be competitive with more fuel efficient cars'


The same auto makers who got the bailouts to save jobs that is now being sold to China and shipped overseas? Those auto makers?


"Libyans who got support to overthrow Ghaddafi (I know they arent americans)"


Ghaddafi.. you mean the power humgry dictator the CIA installed in Libya who turned on them and was throwing out the central bankers, corporations, and mercenary forces they hired to protect their interests, that were raping his people and their economy, inciting unrest and creating warlording factions he couldn't control... that Ghaddafi?


"the unemployed who could have funds just a bit longer"


Yep, it's easier to create more debt, more taxes, than come up with a solution to create more jobs! Entitlement spending is his forte'!


"credit card holders who no longer get shafted by unannounced rate hikes"


Now the banks get the money at 0% and loan it to the people at an even higher one! Perfect example of raising price and reducing product, giving the people the illusion of benefit!



"citizens concerned with the global environment and economy who can be relieved to have leadership that invests in green energy and green jobs which just MAY be the wave of the future,,,,also keeping AMerica globally competitive,,,"


Yep, we've got to thank him for raising the debt even further by throwing BILLIONS at his crony capitalist fiascos like Solyndra and the others designed to fail from the start!


"gulf oil victims who had his support and effort to be compensated"


Oh yeah...by appointing Wienstien to head that department and spending more on the departments than was given to the people who suffered...another Katrina at best! Ask the people in the Gulf what a great job he did in that regard!


"teachers, firefighters, and policemen who had their jobs saved,,,"


You mean by strengthening the stranglehold of the unions, mandating payments, raising the costs of these services and reducing the quality?



No thanks! NDAA, 1st amendment limitations, now illegals allowed to $hit on our laws, drones in Americas skies, repeal of posse comatatus putting troops in American streets claiming the USA a battlefield, giving our lands and holdings to Russia and NATO, and now trying to bring in foreign business who will not be subject to our regulations and adherence to our laws!

You can have your terrorist TRAITOR, but don't wish him on us!




the question was what americans he has helped,, countering with what americans it may negatively affect is irrelevant

I can pick apart ANY accomplishment and find some potential risk to some group somewhere

everytime we SPEND money on anything, we take from something else, but we still have to prioritize where the money goes

and Im sure THOSE groups mentioned are glad to have been selected as priorities:wink:


That is the biggest bunch of avoidance BS I have ever had the displeasure of reading!

Your banker backed, NATO lovin, sell out America dictator has screwed EVERY class of people in this country by his actions!

Only the bankers, Insurance companies, Crony capitalists, and the war machine...of course the MSM from all of them.... and the people stupid enough to believe their propaganda, has anything to like about this traitor to the people.

msharmony's photo
Sun 06/17/12 05:36 PM





"gay americans who didnt want to have to hide their sexuality to serve"


The ones who are targeted now for hate crime abuses, brought division to our fighting forces? I'm not against an American wanting to defend their country, or gays, but this act was far more destructive than helpful to our fighting forces!


"millions of americans who will not be turned down for healthcare"


And the millions of hard working Americans who will now be more heavily taxed, sold to special interest insurance conglomorates, small business and individuals that will suffer under those mandates, rising insurance cost to individuals with private insurance and a reduction of quality and covered services?"


"troops who will not have to stay in Iraq"


Yep, now they are free to go to Libya, Syria, Iran or the next war he starts without a declaration of war from congress!


"troops who will come home from afghanistan"


Funny.... Then I guess him signing us on for 10 more years and $1 Trillion in foreign aid was a figment of our imagination?


"auto makers who kept their jobs and climbed back to the top to be competitive with more fuel efficient cars'


The same auto makers who got the bailouts to save jobs that is now being sold to China and shipped overseas? Those auto makers?


"Libyans who got support to overthrow Ghaddafi (I know they arent americans)"


Ghaddafi.. you mean the power humgry dictator the CIA installed in Libya who turned on them and was throwing out the central bankers, corporations, and mercenary forces they hired to protect their interests, that were raping his people and their economy, inciting unrest and creating warlording factions he couldn't control... that Ghaddafi?


"the unemployed who could have funds just a bit longer"


Yep, it's easier to create more debt, more taxes, than come up with a solution to create more jobs! Entitlement spending is his forte'!


"credit card holders who no longer get shafted by unannounced rate hikes"


Now the banks get the money at 0% and loan it to the people at an even higher one! Perfect example of raising price and reducing product, giving the people the illusion of benefit!



"citizens concerned with the global environment and economy who can be relieved to have leadership that invests in green energy and green jobs which just MAY be the wave of the future,,,,also keeping AMerica globally competitive,,,"


Yep, we've got to thank him for raising the debt even further by throwing BILLIONS at his crony capitalist fiascos like Solyndra and the others designed to fail from the start!


"gulf oil victims who had his support and effort to be compensated"


Oh yeah...by appointing Wienstien to head that department and spending more on the departments than was given to the people who suffered...another Katrina at best! Ask the people in the Gulf what a great job he did in that regard!


"teachers, firefighters, and policemen who had their jobs saved,,,"


You mean by strengthening the stranglehold of the unions, mandating payments, raising the costs of these services and reducing the quality?



No thanks! NDAA, 1st amendment limitations, now illegals allowed to $hit on our laws, drones in Americas skies, repeal of posse comatatus putting troops in American streets claiming the USA a battlefield, giving our lands and holdings to Russia and NATO, and now trying to bring in foreign business who will not be subject to our regulations and adherence to our laws!

You can have your terrorist TRAITOR, but don't wish him on us!




the question was what americans he has helped,, countering with what americans it may negatively affect is irrelevant

I can pick apart ANY accomplishment and find some potential risk to some group somewhere

everytime we SPEND money on anything, we take from something else, but we still have to prioritize where the money goes

and Im sure THOSE groups mentioned are glad to have been selected as priorities:wink:


That is the biggest bunch of avoidance BS I have ever had the displeasure of reading!

Your banker backed, NATO lovin, sell out America dictator has screwed EVERY class of people in this country by his actions!

Only the bankers, Insurance companies, Crony capitalists, and the war machine...of course the MSM from all of them.... and the people stupid enough to believe their propaganda, has anything to like about this traitor to the people.



denial isnt just a river in egypt..lol

because one person disapproves of him does not make anyone not in agreement stupid nor does it prove he is a 'traitor'

thats the kind of emotionalism that defies logic and causes just as much seperation and weakness in this country as any politicians policies,,,,

Seakolony's photo
Sun 06/17/12 06:08 PM







by the way, I doubt many drug dealers are using the 'free phone'

as it has a limit of under four hours a month,,,,

To recharge them is $5.00 for 4 more hours. They can be recharged indefinitely.

I will not abandon Paul.
I will write him in.


WRONG

Im not sure where your information is from

the FREE Service is four hours per month, period

to 'add time', you have to get a card or do it online, and pay like anyone with a pay as you go phone would do,,,,and I know of noplace where you can get four full hours for only five dollars

an additional hour starts at 20 dollars,,,,


What's it called cracphone?



the safelink program, its helfpful for many who dont have landlines but need some way to check on their families or receive job leads or call help in emergencies,,,etc,,,,

4 hours per month is maybe 8 minutes a day,, its hardly like a 'regular' cell phone subscriber who spends at least twenty times that 'chatting' with people on any giving day,,,

Yep but for 20.00 you can choose unlimited minutes or unlimited messaging

msharmony's photo
Sun 06/17/12 06:10 PM








by the way, I doubt many drug dealers are using the 'free phone'

as it has a limit of under four hours a month,,,,

To recharge them is $5.00 for 4 more hours. They can be recharged indefinitely.

I will not abandon Paul.
I will write him in.


WRONG

Im not sure where your information is from

the FREE Service is four hours per month, period

to 'add time', you have to get a card or do it online, and pay like anyone with a pay as you go phone would do,,,,and I know of noplace where you can get four full hours for only five dollars

an additional hour starts at 20 dollars,,,,


What's it called cracphone?



the safelink program, its helfpful for many who dont have landlines but need some way to check on their families or receive job leads or call help in emergencies,,,etc,,,,

4 hours per month is maybe 8 minutes a day,, its hardly like a 'regular' cell phone subscriber who spends at least twenty times that 'chatting' with people on any giving day,,,

Yep but for 20.00 you can choose unlimited minutes or unlimited messaging



where did you see that? I know of no plan that allows unlimited EXTRA Minutes for 20 dollars on the safelink program

I think you guys are buying into propoganda,,,,

Sojourning_Soul's photo
Sun 06/17/12 07:13 PM






"gay americans who didnt want to have to hide their sexuality to serve"


The ones who are targeted now for hate crime abuses, brought division to our fighting forces? I'm not against an American wanting to defend their country, or gays, but this act was far more destructive than helpful to our fighting forces!


"millions of americans who will not be turned down for healthcare"


And the millions of hard working Americans who will now be more heavily taxed, sold to special interest insurance conglomorates, small business and individuals that will suffer under those mandates, rising insurance cost to individuals with private insurance and a reduction of quality and covered services?"


"troops who will not have to stay in Iraq"


Yep, now they are free to go to Libya, Syria, Iran or the next war he starts without a declaration of war from congress!


"troops who will come home from afghanistan"


Funny.... Then I guess him signing us on for 10 more years and $1 Trillion in foreign aid was a figment of our imagination?


"auto makers who kept their jobs and climbed back to the top to be competitive with more fuel efficient cars'


The same auto makers who got the bailouts to save jobs that is now being sold to China and shipped overseas? Those auto makers?


"Libyans who got support to overthrow Ghaddafi (I know they arent americans)"


Ghaddafi.. you mean the power humgry dictator the CIA installed in Libya who turned on them and was throwing out the central bankers, corporations, and mercenary forces they hired to protect their interests, that were raping his people and their economy, inciting unrest and creating warlording factions he couldn't control... that Ghaddafi?


"the unemployed who could have funds just a bit longer"


Yep, it's easier to create more debt, more taxes, than come up with a solution to create more jobs! Entitlement spending is his forte'!


"credit card holders who no longer get shafted by unannounced rate hikes"


Now the banks get the money at 0% and loan it to the people at an even higher one! Perfect example of raising price and reducing product, giving the people the illusion of benefit!



"citizens concerned with the global environment and economy who can be relieved to have leadership that invests in green energy and green jobs which just MAY be the wave of the future,,,,also keeping AMerica globally competitive,,,"


Yep, we've got to thank him for raising the debt even further by throwing BILLIONS at his crony capitalist fiascos like Solyndra and the others designed to fail from the start!


"gulf oil victims who had his support and effort to be compensated"


Oh yeah...by appointing Wienstien to head that department and spending more on the departments than was given to the people who suffered...another Katrina at best! Ask the people in the Gulf what a great job he did in that regard!


"teachers, firefighters, and policemen who had their jobs saved,,,"


You mean by strengthening the stranglehold of the unions, mandating payments, raising the costs of these services and reducing the quality?



No thanks! NDAA, 1st amendment limitations, now illegals allowed to $hit on our laws, drones in Americas skies, repeal of posse comatatus putting troops in American streets claiming the USA a battlefield, giving our lands and holdings to Russia and NATO, and now trying to bring in foreign business who will not be subject to our regulations and adherence to our laws!

You can have your terrorist TRAITOR, but don't wish him on us!




the question was what americans he has helped,, countering with what americans it may negatively affect is irrelevant

I can pick apart ANY accomplishment and find some potential risk to some group somewhere

everytime we SPEND money on anything, we take from something else, but we still have to prioritize where the money goes

and Im sure THOSE groups mentioned are glad to have been selected as priorities:wink:


That is the biggest bunch of avoidance BS I have ever had the displeasure of reading!

Your banker backed, NATO lovin, sell out America dictator has screwed EVERY class of people in this country by his actions!

Only the bankers, Insurance companies, Crony capitalists, and the war machine...of course the MSM from all of them.... and the people stupid enough to believe their propaganda, has anything to like about this traitor to the people.



denial isnt just a river in egypt..lol

because one person disapproves of him does not make anyone not in agreement stupid nor does it prove he is a 'traitor'

thats the kind of emotionalism that defies logic and causes just as much seperation and weakness in this country as any politicians policies,,,,


rofl one person.....rofl

willing2's photo
Sun 06/17/12 07:15 PM









by the way, I doubt many drug dealers are using the 'free phone'

as it has a limit of under four hours a month,,,,

To recharge them is $5.00 for 4 more hours. They can be recharged indefinitely.

I will not abandon Paul.
I will write him in.


WRONG

Im not sure where your information is from

the FREE Service is four hours per month, period

to 'add time', you have to get a card or do it online, and pay like anyone with a pay as you go phone would do,,,,and I know of noplace where you can get four full hours for only five dollars

an additional hour starts at 20 dollars,,,,


What's it called cracphone?



the safelink program, its helfpful for many who dont have landlines but need some way to check on their families or receive job leads or call help in emergencies,,,etc,,,,

4 hours per month is maybe 8 minutes a day,, its hardly like a 'regular' cell phone subscriber who spends at least twenty times that 'chatting' with people on any giving day,,,

Yep but for 20.00 you can choose unlimited minutes or unlimited messaging



where did you see that? I know of no plan that allows unlimited EXTRA Minutes for 20 dollars on the safelink program


Assurance Wireless Service
250 Free Minutes Offer
Each month you will receive 250 free voice minutes and 250 domestic messages (text, IM and emails) on the first day of your monthly service cycle.

$5 Talk Offer
Add $5 per month to receive a total of 500 voice minutes (250 free voice minutes + 250 additional voice minutes) and 500 domestic messages (text, IM and emails) each month provided that sufficient funds are in your account to pay your monthly charge on your payment due date.

$20 Talk & Text Offer
Add $20 per month to receive a total of 1000 voice minutes (250 free voice minutes + 750 additional voice minutes) and 1000 domestic messages (text, IM and emails) each month provided that sufficient funds are in your account to pay your monthly charge on your payment due date. International text, picture messaging and voicemail messages are not included in the monthly allocation of messages. Certain types of messages are device dependent.

$30 Unlimited Talk, Text & Web Offer
Add $30 per month for unlimited domestic messaging (text, IM and emails), unlimited access to Downloads (VirginXL) and the mobile Internet (but not unlimited downloaded content), and unlimited voice minutes.

Citizen_Joe's photo
Sun 06/17/12 07:27 PM




Msharmony Obama is very anti-American. If he hasn't done anything to improve this country yet then he isn't gonna with 4 more years. He is in way over his head. Too radical and too inexperienced. I'll have to go with Romney tho I'm not thrilled with him either.




I strongly disagree, he has done alot to help Americans in my opinion


we are all entitled to our opinion

it was just asked why we would vote FOR someone, and those were my reasons ,,,,,




Which Americans? I can't get an OTC inhaler anymore. Heroin use is at an all time high, and drug dealers now have a free phone.



gay americans who didnt want to have to hide their sexuality to serve

Sexuality and marriage were never supposed to be an issue in laws. The sick part of this is it will be short lived.


millions of americans who will not be turned down for healthcare

The mother of my child was turned down for detox not because of insurance, but because the drug wasn't heroin. For everyone else, healthcare costs have more than doubled.


troops who will not have to stay in Iraq

troops who will come home from afghanistan

To head on over to Iran and Syria, and the last agreement signed for Afghanistan was for 14 years more. As for why we were there, apparently it was to restart the opium trade.


auto makers who kept their jobs and climbed back to the top to be competitive with more fuel efficient cars


At lower salaries with less benefits. We're being robbed blind.


Libyans who got support to overthrow Ghaddafi (I know they arent americans)


We were the bad guys in that war.


the unemployed who could have funds just a bit longer


The only 'fairness' in all of this is that welfare and unemployment is the only offset to how much the dirty bankers at the top steal from us as a nation, with the Federal Reserve handing them bailouts. Why are we unemployed? Because the corporate owned politicians keep making laws friendlier for corporations to move jobs overseas.



credit card holders who no longer get shafted by unannounced rate hikes


Owning a credit card is voluntary shafting. I haven't owned one of those dirty things since 1994. The larger credit bubble, the bankers scamming people out of homes has never been repaired, and is happening again.


citizens concerned with the global environment and economy who can be relieved to have leadership that invests in green energy and green jobs which just MAY be the wave of the future,,,,also keeping AMerica globally competitive,,,


Those same agencies have made perfectly safe OTC inhalers unavailable. If I want an inhaler of inferior quality, I have to pay a doctor to give me a prescription for a device at more than twice the cost. Yes, that's progress.



gulf oil victims who had his support and effort to be compensated


On that topic, we're being lied to about just how bad that spill really is. It will be with us for years to come.


teachers, firefighters, and policemen who had their jobs saved,,,

etc,, etc,, etc,,,

...just some of the 'groups' of americans he has helped and there are many more he has been trying to help






Obama became my enemy when he endangered my family, many of which suffer from asthma. When I followed the money trail it became obvious to me that to even bother to recognize this government and how corrupt the monetary system is, we as a people stand no chance until we reject it all.

Worship your god, and look critically minded. You will see him say one thing, and do the exact opposite, often within hours. Drones are flying over US soil. DHS is gearing up for a civil war. Endless wars. Congress is no longer in control of our military. Have you ever watched 1984? You're being fed a pack of lies, and our country has been eroded to a recessionary depression, a magnitude worse than the "great depression". When your "entitlements" run out, and they will, I sincerely hope you have neighbors you can count on. In fact, I hope you have neighbors who are preparing to feed themselves instead of depending on stores. In this small town, it appears that if nothing else, the mayor is listening and interested in taking an active role. For this town alone, about 8250 people, it would take 3 months on 3 shifts to properly prepare this town and thankfully, many of us are already making our own gardens and accumulating supplies for what will likely be a harsh financial winter.

BTW, it's not just Obama, Romney is no better, own by the same corporate banksters.

msharmony's photo
Sun 06/17/12 07:33 PM
Edited by msharmony on Sun 06/17/12 07:34 PM










by the way, I doubt many drug dealers are using the 'free phone'

as it has a limit of under four hours a month,,,,

To recharge them is $5.00 for 4 more hours. They can be recharged indefinitely.

I will not abandon Paul.
I will write him in.


WRONG

Im not sure where your information is from

the FREE Service is four hours per month, period

to 'add time', you have to get a card or do it online, and pay like anyone with a pay as you go phone would do,,,,and I know of noplace where you can get four full hours for only five dollars

an additional hour starts at 20 dollars,,,,


What's it called cracphone?



the safelink program, its helfpful for many who dont have landlines but need some way to check on their families or receive job leads or call help in emergencies,,,etc,,,,

4 hours per month is maybe 8 minutes a day,, its hardly like a 'regular' cell phone subscriber who spends at least twenty times that 'chatting' with people on any giving day,,,

Yep but for 20.00 you can choose unlimited minutes or unlimited messaging



where did you see that? I know of no plan that allows unlimited EXTRA Minutes for 20 dollars on the safelink program


Assurance Wireless Service
250 Free Minutes Offer
Each month you will receive 250 free voice minutes and 250 domestic messages (text, IM and emails) on the first day of your monthly service cycle.

$5 Talk Offer
Add $5 per month to receive a total of 500 voice minutes (250 free voice minutes + 250 additional voice minutes) and 500 domestic messages (text, IM and emails) each month provided that sufficient funds are in your account to pay your monthly charge on your payment due date.

$20 Talk & Text Offer
Add $20 per month to receive a total of 1000 voice minutes (250 free voice minutes + 750 additional voice minutes) and 1000 domestic messages (text, IM and emails) each month provided that sufficient funds are in your account to pay your monthly charge on your payment due date. International text, picture messaging and voicemail messages are not included in the monthly allocation of messages. Certain types of messages are device dependent.

$30 Unlimited Talk, Text & Web Offer
Add $30 per month for unlimited domestic messaging (text, IM and emails), unlimited access to Downloads (VirginXL) and the mobile Internet (but not unlimited downloaded content), and unlimited voice minutes.



i stand corrected

it must vary state by state because nevada safelink is not with VIrgin Mobile, but with TRACFONE and there is no option to add 250 minutes for 5 dollars,,,

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