Topic: Don’t 30 Million Workers Deserve 1968 Wages?
Citizen_Joe's photo
Sat 06/09/12 07:21 PM

Thirty million American workers arise, you have nothing to lose but some of your debt!From left: Ralph Nader, Rep. Dennis Kucinich (D-OH), Rep. Jesse Jackson Jr. (D-IL), and Rep. john Conyers (D-MI) introuced teh "Catching Up to 1968 Act of 2012" this week, which presses for a federal minimum wage of $10 per hour.

Wednesday morning, Rep. Jesse Jackson, Jr. (D-Ill.) introduced the “Catching Up to 1968 Act of 2012” (H.R. 5901) – legislation to raise the federal minimum wage to $10 per hour. The present minimum wage is $7.25, way below the unrealistically low federal poverty definition of $18,123 per year for a family of three. Adjusted for inflation, the 1968 minimum wage today would be a little above $10 per hour.
http://www.commondreams.org/view/2012/06/08-2


Keep in mind they do not include fuel or food as inflation. It really should be close to double what it is to be fair. This action is simply to create the delusion that the government gives a flying frack about you. They don't, they haven't in 40 years, and this act will not fly. What will fly is when WE do something, such as become self-sufficient in terms of food, produce our own goods, and exchange or give the results of our work to each other, separate from the corrupt and non-sovereign currency system in place.

willing2's photo
Sat 06/09/12 07:50 PM
Coincidental or did some site state 30 million workers for a reason listed below?

By last count, Numbersusa put the number of Illegals at 30 million.

No, I don't believe they deserve more than a deportation.

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Sun 06/10/12 09:23 AM
I work with 2 young people right now that earn minimum wage. They both have 2 jobs, one is also going to school to better herself. They will succeed in life because they don't whine and complain about their wage. Better minimum wage would be great but until that happens they deal with it.

galendgirl's photo
Sun 06/10/12 09:40 AM

what? we will kill the ability of the generous elite and business owners to hire the people they are ALREADY NOT hiring,,lol

how dare we expect them to be able to do it just cause it was done in 1968?


<sarcasm>

jk,, Im all for it. Wages really need to keep up with inflation. IF the products and services are costing more, the wage for creating them should correlate.


The "generous elite" are not the ones who will struggle with it...it's the small businessmen and women who will push back on the increase because they may not be able to accommodate it (sans the $20 burgers.)

Even so, $10 an hour is not a living wage IMHO.

galendgirl's photo
Sun 06/10/12 09:41 AM

Coincidental or did some site state 30 million workers for a reason listed below?

By last count, Numbersusa put the number of Illegals at 30 million.

No, I don't believe they deserve more than a deportation.


And that is another side of the issue...
Illegal should equal O-U-T.

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Sun 06/10/12 11:44 AM

I work with 2 young people right now that earn minimum wage. They both have 2 jobs, one is also going to school to better herself. They will succeed in life because they don't whine and complain about their wage. Better minimum wage would be great but until that happens they deal with it.



you are missing the point ALLE, its not about CHILDREN who are still able to have their 'needs' being taken care of by parents

we are talking about those adults now having to resort to minimum wage to take care of THOSE kids,,,,,

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Sun 06/10/12 12:03 PM


I work with 2 young people right now that earn minimum wage. They both have 2 jobs, one is also going to school to better herself. They will succeed in life because they don't whine and complain about their wage. Better minimum wage would be great but until that happens they deal with it.



you are missing the point ALLE, its not about CHILDREN who are still able to have their 'needs' being taken care of by parents

we are talking about those adults now having to resort to minimum wage to take care of THOSE kids,,,,,

I'm not talking about children either. These are young ADULTS just starting out in life. If those adults you are talking about can't make it on a minimum wage job, they should not be having children to support.

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Sun 06/10/12 02:20 PM
Valid point, alleoops, about not having kids you can't afford to support. I agree with you wholeheartedly. But it's a separate issue from what the minimum wage should be. Just like illegal immigration is a separate issue also. If we want to have a constructive debate, let's stick to the topic at hand.

And speaking of what goes on in Washington, the Nats just swept the Sox. Hoo-ahh! Well that happened in Boston actually, but you get the point.

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Sun 06/10/12 07:30 PM


I work with 2 young people right now that earn minimum wage. They both have 2 jobs, one is also going to school to better herself. They will succeed in life because they don't whine and complain about their wage. Better minimum wage would be great but until that happens they deal with it.



you are missing the point ALLE, its not about CHILDREN who are still able to have their 'needs' being taken care of by parents

we are talking about those adults now having to resort to minimum wage to take care of THOSE kids,,,,,

With all the welfare extensions being handed out, the chronically unemployed don't need to look for work. Some places, unemployment extensions pays much better than a job.

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Sun 06/10/12 08:35 PM



I work with 2 young people right now that earn minimum wage. They both have 2 jobs, one is also going to school to better herself. They will succeed in life because they don't whine and complain about their wage. Better minimum wage would be great but until that happens they deal with it.



you are missing the point ALLE, its not about CHILDREN who are still able to have their 'needs' being taken care of by parents

we are talking about those adults now having to resort to minimum wage to take care of THOSE kids,,,,,

With all the welfare extensions being handed out, the chronically unemployed don't need to look for work. Some places, unemployment extensions pays much better than a job.


I would imagine it's better here than in Mexico spock

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Sun 06/10/12 11:28 PM





And you know what minimum wage says? It's a start and better than no job at all. If one doesn't want minimum wage, work to better yourself. That's what I did. :wink:


Like I said. That's MY code. May not be yours. Maybe it wouldn't bother you to look somebody in the eye and say, "I'm only paying you this much because the law requires me to." In my mind, I wouldn't hire anybody that I thought was only worth $7.25.



need more employers like you,,,,,


Not an employer, but yea, more employers should think that way.



My first job out of high school, I made 1.92 per hour. The alternative was no job at all. I was happy to have it. As time passed, I made more. Some employers, especially small business start ups, can't afford to pay more than the minimum wage at first. The benefit to me was not the pay but the work experience and what I learned. That, was worth more than any minimum wage.



I'd like to know where you got your information about new small businesses. In my (admittedly personal) experience, new businesses decide on their pay rates based on how highly skilled they need their employees to be.

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Mon 06/11/12 01:57 AM
Edited by Conrad_73 on Mon 06/11/12 01:58 AM
It is your Government along with the Unions who gummed up the works!
And it won't get any better as long Labor can coerce anyone to pay Wages which are Utopian,thanks to Government Coercion!


http://mises.org/daily/5865/MinimumWage-Rates

The very essence of the interventionist politicians' wisdom is to raise the price of labor either by government decree or by violent action on the part of labor unions. To raise wage rates above the height at which the unhampered market would determine them is considered a postulate of the eternal laws of morality as well as indispensable from the economic point of view. Whoever dares to challenge this ethical and economic dogma is scorned both as depraved and ignorant. Many of our contemporaries look upon people who are foolhardy enough "to cross a picket line" as primitive tribesmen looked upon those who violated the precepts of taboo conceptions. Millions are jubilant if such scabs receive their well-deserved punishment from the hands of the strikers while the police, the public attorneys, and the penal courts preserve a lofty neutrality.

The market wage rate tends toward a height at which all those eager to earn wages get jobs and all those eager to employ workers can hire as many as they want. It tends toward the establishment of what is nowadays called full employment. Where there is neither government nor union interference with the labor market, there is only voluntary or catallactic unemployment. But as soon as external pressure and compulsion, be it on the part of the government or on the part of the unions, tries to fix wage rates at a higher point, institutional unemployment emerges. While there prevails on the unhampered labor market a tendency for catallactic unemployment to disappear, institutional unemployment cannot disappear as long as the government or the unions are successful in the enforcement of their fiat. If the minimum wage rate refers only to a part of the various occupations while other sectors of the labor market are left free, those losing their jobs on its account enter the free branches of business and increase the supply of labor in them. When unionism was restricted to skilled labor mainly, the wage rise achieved by the unions did not lead to institutional unemployment. It merely lowered the height of wage rates in those branches in which there were no efficient unions or no unions at all. The corollary of the rise in wages for organized workers was a drop in wages for unorganized workers. But with the spread of government interference with wages and with government support of unionism, conditions have changed. Institutional unemployment has become a chronic or permanent mass phenomenon.

Read on at the link


Workers who are worth it deserve good wages,but Union and Government Coercion actually achieve the opposite!

no photo
Mon 06/11/12 05:59 AM






And you know what minimum wage says? It's a start and better than no job at all. If one doesn't want minimum wage, work to better yourself. That's what I did. :wink:


Like I said. That's MY code. May not be yours. Maybe it wouldn't bother you to look somebody in the eye and say, "I'm only paying you this much because the law requires me to." In my mind, I wouldn't hire anybody that I thought was only worth $7.25.



need more employers like you,,,,,


Not an employer, but yea, more employers should think that way.



My first job out of high school, I made 1.92 per hour. The alternative was no job at all. I was happy to have it. As time passed, I made more. Some employers, especially small business start ups, can't afford to pay more than the minimum wage at first. The benefit to me was not the pay but the work experience and what I learned. That, was worth more than any minimum wage.



I'd like to know where you got your information about new small businesses. In my (admittedly personal) experience, new businesses decide on their pay rates based on how highly skilled they need their employees to be.


I mean non-skilled workers and small businesses that are usually mom and pop created business. The type that make up the most of the businesses that would pay a minimum wage. Very rarely would highly skilled workers earn minimum wage.

Citizen_Joe's photo
Mon 06/11/12 08:53 AM




I work with 2 young people right now that earn minimum wage. They both have 2 jobs, one is also going to school to better herself. They will succeed in life because they don't whine and complain about their wage. Better minimum wage would be great but until that happens they deal with it.



you are missing the point ALLE, its not about CHILDREN who are still able to have their 'needs' being taken care of by parents

we are talking about those adults now having to resort to minimum wage to take care of THOSE kids,,,,,

With all the welfare extensions being handed out, the chronically unemployed don't need to look for work. Some places, unemployment extensions pays much better than a job.


I would imagine it's better here than in Mexico spock


It's not. In fact, more are leaving than coming into the United States. We've finally alloweed our country to become a 3rd world country.

Chazster's photo
Mon 06/11/12 09:08 AM

no, basic math really

goes like this

if people are making more money, they have more money to spend, if they have more money to spend they spend it on products and services, if people are spending money on products and services, the need for employees to continue supplying them remains constant

on the other hand, if people have less money to spend, they have less money to spend on products and services, if products and services increase in cost, they are less likely to be purchased, if they are less likely to be purchased, the profits no longer will sustain the workers and people will lose jobs, if people lose jobs, they have less money to spend,,,


two different cycles,, the main difference is, the correlation between HAVING MORE MONEY(making more money) and being able to charge more money for goods and services

as opposed to continually charging more without a correlation in peoples pockets that would normally PURCHASE ,,,,


Accept this is only raising money for poor people that are not big spenders. They will not be putting more into the economy by much and rising costs could hurt small businesses.

The name of this post is misleading as it is not wages from the fore mentioned date. It is adjusted for inflation.
Also a high school kid at taco well won't be more efficient because he makes more money. I don't remember who was mentioning that but people don't become more efficient because their salary increases.

msharmony's photo
Mon 06/11/12 09:19 AM



I work with 2 young people right now that earn minimum wage. They both have 2 jobs, one is also going to school to better herself. They will succeed in life because they don't whine and complain about their wage. Better minimum wage would be great but until that happens they deal with it.



you are missing the point ALLE, its not about CHILDREN who are still able to have their 'needs' being taken care of by parents

we are talking about those adults now having to resort to minimum wage to take care of THOSE kids,,,,,

With all the welfare extensions being handed out, the chronically unemployed don't need to look for work. Some places, unemployment extensions pays much better than a job.



the lack of knowledge about the REALITY of welfare continues to astound me

a CONDITION of unemployment is that people be looking for work,,,,and just like people are required to pay taxes,, there are probably many who breach the requirement and dont get caught

that is a condition of follow up and execution of the laws/requirements,, not eradicating the taxes, unemployment, or welfare,,,

msharmony's photo
Mon 06/11/12 09:24 AM


no, basic math really

goes like this

if people are making more money, they have more money to spend, if they have more money to spend they spend it on products and services, if people are spending money on products and services, the need for employees to continue supplying them remains constant

on the other hand, if people have less money to spend, they have less money to spend on products and services, if products and services increase in cost, they are less likely to be purchased, if they are less likely to be purchased, the profits no longer will sustain the workers and people will lose jobs, if people lose jobs, they have less money to spend,,,


two different cycles,, the main difference is, the correlation between HAVING MORE MONEY(making more money) and being able to charge more money for goods and services

as opposed to continually charging more without a correlation in peoples pockets that would normally PURCHASE ,,,,


Accept this is only raising money for poor people that are not big spenders. They will not be putting more into the economy by much and rising costs could hurt small businesses.

The name of this post is misleading as it is not wages from the fore mentioned date. It is adjusted for inflation.
Also a high school kid at taco well won't be more efficient because he makes more money. I don't remember who was mentioning that but people don't become more efficient because their salary increases.



the economy doesnt work that way,, if money goes INTO The economy it doesnt segregate once its there ,, it has a widespread effect on consumers IN GENERAL,,,,the same thing happens when it leaves the economy

Chazster's photo
Mon 06/11/12 09:26 AM




I work with 2 young people right now that earn minimum wage. They both have 2 jobs, one is also going to school to better herself. They will succeed in life because they don't whine and complain about their wage. Better minimum wage would be great but until that happens they deal with it.



you are missing the point ALLE, its not about CHILDREN who are still able to have their 'needs' being taken care of by parents

we are talking about those adults now having to resort to minimum wage to take care of THOSE kids,,,,,

With all the welfare extensions being handed out, the chronically unemployed don't need to look for work. Some places, unemployment extensions pays much better than a job.



the lack of knowledge about the REALITY of welfare continues to astound me

a CONDITION of unemployment is that people be looking for work,,,,and just like people are required to pay taxes,, there are probably many who breach the requirement and dont get caught

that is a condition of follow up and execution of the laws/requirements,, not eradicating the taxes, unemployment, or welfare,,,


When was the last time you were unemployed? You do it online every week. It says "did you look for a job this week? " All you do is click yes. No one checks if you really looked for a job lol.

msharmony's photo
Mon 06/11/12 09:32 AM





I work with 2 young people right now that earn minimum wage. They both have 2 jobs, one is also going to school to better herself. They will succeed in life because they don't whine and complain about their wage. Better minimum wage would be great but until that happens they deal with it.



you are missing the point ALLE, its not about CHILDREN who are still able to have their 'needs' being taken care of by parents

we are talking about those adults now having to resort to minimum wage to take care of THOSE kids,,,,,

With all the welfare extensions being handed out, the chronically unemployed don't need to look for work. Some places, unemployment extensions pays much better than a job.



the lack of knowledge about the REALITY of welfare continues to astound me

a CONDITION of unemployment is that people be looking for work,,,,and just like people are required to pay taxes,, there are probably many who breach the requirement and dont get caught

that is a condition of follow up and execution of the laws/requirements,, not eradicating the taxes, unemployment, or welfare,,,


When was the last time you were unemployed? You do it online every week. It says "did you look for a job this week? " All you do is click yes. No one checks if you really looked for a job lol.



Ive been unemployed for three years now

In order to keep receiving Nevada unemployment benefits you have to meet ongoing job search requirements. Unemployment benefits are meant to be a temporary benefit until you find a new job, so these job search requirements are in place to make sure you are actively looking for a new job.

Nevada Job Search Requirements are:
1. You must be actively be looking for a job.
2. YOu must make at least 2 job contacts per week. Job contacts include filling out job applications and sending resumes.
3. You must keep a record of all of your job search activities, including a record of all job contacts.
4. You must not be disabled. If you are disabled there are different programs available to help you and your unemployment counselor or local unemployment office can direct you to those resources. (These resources include Social Security Disability).

You must fulfill these job search requirements every week, and provide a weekly certification to let the unemployment office that you are meeting all of the requirements. Be sure to have your job search record up to date, as you may be called into the unemployment office for a periodic eligibility review.

willing2's photo
Mon 06/11/12 09:57 AM
I have never been unemployed for more than a few months at time.
In a city like Reno, I would imagine it would not be difficult finding a job flippin' burgers or cleaning Motel rooms.

Unless, Unemployment Welfare pays more.slaphead