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Edited by
msharmony
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Did you think it could get any worse? Now they want to legalize the use of propaganda on American citizens — and the vote could happen NEXT WEEK. An amendment legalizing the use of mass propaganda campaigns on American audiences has been inserted into the latest defense authorization bill — and that bill just passed the House. Please click here to demand that the Senate oppose ending the propaganda ban — it’ll be up for a vote as soon as next week. The NDAA amendment lifts bans on propaganda that have been around since the 1940s, neutralizing laws put in place to protect the American people from its government’s own “misinformation” campaigns. “It removes the protection for Americans,” a Pentagon official told Buzzfeed, who broke the story. “There are no checks and balances. No one knows if the information is accurate, partially accurate, or entirely false.” The amendment would remove all distinction between a hostile foreign audience and American one, turning the massive information operation apparatus within the federal government against its own people. This amendment cannot become law. Will you join us in demanding that the Senate oppose this amendment to the NDAA? Just click here. http://fromthetrenchesworldreport.com/dont-end-the-propaganda-ban-on-american-citizens/15654 without any specific reference to verify what this commentary refers to,,, hard to agree or disagree with it,,, http://mingle2.com/topic/show/328032 By spelling it out in Law,one can say that the People are forewarned to what they always knew! its not really 'spelled out' as the op suggests in the actual bill, ID bet its also not logical just on the basis that the government would create a bill limiting themself from advertising themself (basically) or that they would need to lift such a limit that apparently hasnt been followed anyway judging by the constant media 'propoganda' that goes on in politics and political campaigns EVERYDAY,,, ''http://blog.heritage.org/2012/05/23/smith-mundt-myth-and-reality/ |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Thu 05/31/12 12:56 PM
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Just something I came across and thought I might listen to. Many things I take with a grain of salt, but I NEVER disbelieve until I can disprove something. So bring it on.... prove or disprove it.....WITH FACTS! Pt 1 12 min http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhahGPZpE8I&feature=relmfu Pt 2 27.5 min http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUOgHDGNVBE&feature=relmfu According to Debbie Schlussel, and I'm not endorsing her ilk either but she says that Douglas Hagmann is a plagiarist, fabricator, and defender of fellow plagiarists. He steals her stuff basically and he lies. I think they are both propaganda disinformation nut balls trying to get attention. about: she Claims DEBBIE SCHLUSSEL: Conservative political commentator, radio talk show host, columnist, and attorney Schlussel’s unique expertise on radical Islam/Islamic terrorism and a host of other issues make her a popular speaker and television and radio news talk show guest, both nationally & internationally. (Her online fan club is the Internet’s second largest for a political personality–behind only Ann Coulter.) She is a University of Michigan graduate and holds both Law and MBA degrees from the University of Wisconsin. |
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Did you think it could get any worse? Now they want to legalize the use of propaganda on American citizens — and the vote could happen NEXT WEEK. An amendment legalizing the use of mass propaganda campaigns on American audiences has been inserted into the latest defense authorization bill — and that bill just passed the House. Please click here to demand that the Senate oppose ending the propaganda ban — it’ll be up for a vote as soon as next week. that have been around since the 1940s, neutralizing laws put in place to protect the American people from its government’s own “misinformation” campaigns. “It removes the protection for Americans,” a Pentagon official told Buzzfeed, who broke the story. “There are no checks and balances. No one knows if the information is accurate, partially accurate, or entirely false.” The amendment would remove all distinction between a hostile foreign audience and American one, turning the massive information operation apparatus within the federal government against its own people. This amendment cannot become law. Will you join us in demanding that the Senate oppose this amendment to the NDAA? Just click here. http://fromthetrenchesworldreport.com/dont-end-the-propaganda-ban-on-american-citizens/15654 without any specific reference to verify what this commentary refers to,,, hard to agree or disagree with it,,, http://mingle2.com/topic/show/328032 By spelling it out in Law,one can say that the People are forewarned to what they always knew! its not really 'spelled out' as the op suggests in the actual bill, ID bet its also not logical just on the basis that the government would create a bill limiting themself from advertising themself (basically) or that they would need to lift such a limit that apparently hasnt been followed anyway judging by the constant media 'propoganda' that goes on in politics and political campaigns EVERYDAY,,, ''http://blog.heritage.org/2012/05/23/smith-mundt-myth-and-reality/ The amendment would “strike the current ban on domestic dissemination” of propaganda material produced by the State Department and the Pentagon, according to the summary of the law at the House Rules Committee's official website. The tweak to the bill would essentially neutralize two previous acts—the Smith-Mundt Act of 1948 and Foreign Relations Authorization Act in 1987—that had been passed to protect U.S. audiences from our own government’s misinformation campaigns. The bi-partisan amendment is sponsored by Rep. Mark Thornberry from Texas and Rep. Adam Smith from Washington State. Read more: http://www.buzzfeed.com/mhastings/congressmen-seek-to-lift-propaganda-ban Look up both acts see what they cover and then use your common sence |
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it's basically saying they can lie to us legally now... not much changes, but now they wont care if they get caught.... just another way for our government cheat and lie more often, and use the media against us now.... glad your happy with it MS, i hope it works out for ya....
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Thu 05/31/12 09:11 PM
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it's basically saying they can lie to us legally now... not much changes, but now they wont care if they get caught.... just another way for our government cheat and lie more often, and use the media against us now.... glad your happy with it MS, i hope it works out for ya.... They lie to us anyway. Then when they are caught, they say Oh well, so what? Its not against the law to lie. If the law passes that propaganda is legal we will have a good reason to seriously refuse to believe anything they tell us. 
I don't think that will benefit them too much, as they want us to believe them. 
What good is propaganda if no one believes it?
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it's basically saying they can lie to us legally now... not much changes, but now they wont care if they get caught.... just another way for our government cheat and lie more often, and use the media against us now.... glad your happy with it MS, i hope it works out for ya.... They lie to us anyway. Then when they are caught, they say Oh well, so what? Its not against the law to lie. If the law passes that propaganda is legal we will have a good reason to seriously refuse to believe anything they tell us.
I don't think that will benefit them too much, as they want us to believe them.
What good is propaganda if no one believes it?
it gives them more freedom and control to do their agenda. i can't see this being any good for anyone but themselves...and isn't that why they are in office to begin with? it shows how against the people they really are. |
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lol youtube, the death of logic in america anywho,,,the dollar is not going to collapse in the next three months although Im sure obama haters/'patriots' are praying it will so they can have some legitimate gripe against the POTUS and legitimate reason to cause more of a physical movement (or as is being subtly promoted here, a 'civil war') to 'take back america' (much like limbaugh has hoped from the beginning for the american president to fail, because he loves america like a patriot too,,lol) to read a little more logic on how the dollar would/could collapse, the following is a decent and informative piece (contrary to the divisive and emotional talk show/radio show claims people have gotten used to) http://useconomy.about.com/od/criticalssues/p/dollar_collapse.htm Kimberly is President of WorldMoneyWatch.com. Kimberly has 20 years senior-level experience in economic analysis and business strategy working for major international corporations. She's earned two Master's degrees: one in business from MIT and one in planning from Boston College. This rare combination allows her to tailor business strategy to economic reality. The dollar has been in a death spiral for a very long time. You need only look at the currency market and precious metal prices relative to the USD. It's not likely to die in our lifetime because of its unusual role as an "international currency", but it will "behave" a lot like Continental dollars or 1930's german marks (at least in the short term). |
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Just something I came across and thought I might listen to. Many things I take with a grain of salt, but I NEVER disbelieve until I can disprove something. So bring it on.... prove or disprove it.....WITH FACTS! Our entire neighborhood is growing gardens, and all of us are armed for defence against enemies foreign and DOMESTIC. I can't speak for outside my own community, but would be surprised if we were unique. |
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it gives them more freedom and control to do their agenda. i can't see this being any good for anyone but themselves...and isn't that why they are in office to begin with? it shows how against the people they really are. I would have to say it's good that we agree on something. |
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something researchable,, ty
85 Would amend the United States Information and Educational Exchange Act of 1948 (known as the Smith- Mundt Act) and the Foreign Relations Authorization Act, Fiscal Years 1986 and 1987 to clarify the authorities of the Department of State and the Broadcasting Board of Governors to prepare, disseminate and use public diplomacy information abroad and to strike the current ban on domestic dissemination of such material. Would clarify that the Smith-Mundt Act's provisions related to public diplomacy information do not apply to other Federal departments or agencies (including the Department of Defense). from the house rules site of significance "clarify the authorities" and 'public diplomacy information' (as opposed to 'propoganda') ....so now I have to research what is referenced with the term 'public diplomacy information' brb |
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Under Secretary for Public Diplomacy and Public Affairs The mission of American public diplomacy is to support the achievement of U.S. foreign policy goals and objectives, advance national interests, and enhance national security by informing and influencing foreign publics and by expanding and strengthening the relationship between the people and government of the United States and citizens of the rest of the world. The Under Secretary for Public Diplomacy and Public Affairs leads America's public diplomacy outreach, which includes communications with international audiences, cultural programming, academic grants, educational exchanges, international visitor programs, and U.S. Government efforts to confront ideological support for terrorism. The Under Secretary oversees the bureaus of Educational and Cultural Affairs, Public Affairs, and International Information Programs, and participates in foreign policy development http://www.state.gov/r/ soo,, Im not reading anywhere a support for 'lies' or 'propoganda',,,,?????? |
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Edited by
s1owhand
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Fri 06/01/12 03:08 AM
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You mean like you don't want propaganda like the false anti-Israel
propaganda you keep posting over and over in these forums?!?
http://mingle2.com/topic/show/328409?page=7 and http://mingle2.com/topic/show/328626 and http://mingle2.com/topic/show/316038?page=3 and http://mingle2.com/topic/show/305349?page=2
Your posts are rife with anti-Israeli and anti-Jewish propaganda! It is like reading back issues of the Nazi newspaper Der Sturmer!
If anti-Israel propaganda were outlawed, you'd have to go to jail!
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You mean like you don't want propaganda like the false anti-Israel propaganda you keep posting over and over in these forums?!? It's the Israeli propaganda that makes me throw out everything I learned in school and do my own research. Do you know how many times 6 million jews appears before WWII? Nearly 200. Guess what the final settlement was for the attack on the USS Liberty? $6,000,000 |
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Since there is really no law against lying (unless you are under oath or being questioned by the FBI) propaganda does not need to be "legal."
It doesn't need to be "illegal" either. When you start making laws about what people can say or how they say it, you are stepping towards ending our freedom of speech. NO MORE LAWS!! |
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You mean like you don't want propaganda like the false anti-Israel propaganda you keep posting over and over in these forums?!?
http://mingle2.com/topic/show/328409?page=7 and http://mingle2.com/topic/show/328626 and http://mingle2.com/topic/show/316038?page=3 and http://mingle2.com/topic/show/305349?page=2
Your posts are rife with anti-Israeli and anti-Jewish propaganda! It is like reading back issues of the Nazi newspaper Der Sturmer!
If anti-Israel propaganda were outlawed, you'd have to go to jail!
I did not know posting the ugly truth about some of Israels policies was anti semetic. If anything its a counter to the propaganda. |
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something researchable,, ty 85 Would amend the United States Information and Educational Exchange Act of 1948 (known as the Smith- Mundt Act) and the Foreign Relations Authorization Act, Fiscal Years 1986 and 1987 to clarify the authorities of the Department of State and the Broadcasting Board of Governors to prepare, disseminate and use public diplomacy information abroad and to strike the current ban on domestic dissemination of such material. Would clarify that the Smith-Mundt Act's provisions related to public diplomacy information do not apply to other Federal departments or agencies (including the Department of Defense). from the house rules site of significance "clarify the authorities" and 'public diplomacy information' (as opposed to 'propoganda') ....so now I have to research what is referenced with the term 'public diplomacy information' brb |
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You mean like you don't want propaganda like the false anti-Israel propaganda you keep posting over and over in these forums?!?
http://mingle2.com/topic/show/328409?page=7 and http://mingle2.com/topic/show/328626 and http://mingle2.com/topic/show/316038?page=3 and http://mingle2.com/topic/show/305349?page=2
Your posts are rife with anti-Israeli and anti-Jewish propaganda! It is like reading back issues of the Nazi newspaper Der Sturmer!
If anti-Israel propaganda were outlawed, you'd have to go to jail!
That is why I happily post the links above. In each of those threads it is easily and quickly shown that you were wrong! Case in point for the one thread current now - there were no dancing israelis, the Israelis who photographed the WTC terrorist attacks were doing the same as everyone else, they had no connection to 911 except they were taking pictures like everyone else on the planet of the aftermath - long after the attacks began. Yet - you falsely claim that it had something to do with the attacks themselves and that they celebrated - neither claim justified and in fact both claims debunked 10 years ago. Nevertheless you keep posting it over and over as if repeating it would make it true.
Same for all the other threads cited as well... Yes - seriously your arguments in those threads have been shown to be fabrications and misleading. |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Fri 06/01/12 01:22 PM
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Posting links does no good. The links lead to a page with many posts.
As far as "there were no dancing Israelis" that is certainly not true. They were seen to be what was interpreted as "celebrating" and they were identified Mossad, which is Israeli secret service... like the CIA. Unlike the alleged "terrorists" they were seen by witnesses. Even ARRESTED.
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Posting links does no good. The links lead to a page with many posts. Spoiler Alert: You have to read the posts.
If you did you would see that there was no evidence of celebrating. Only one woman who said she was surprised that the guys taking the pictures did not seem to be shocked.
Also there was no evidence tying them in any way to any of the 911 attacks. They had no weapons. They were arrested for not having correct alien documentation!
It's laughable.
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I'm sure not all of the posts apply to the subject or point. It would be a guessing game and a waste of time.
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