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From what I've read, you don't need an entire human body to clone an organ. I have no issues with cloning organs, but do with humans.
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Thu 05/24/12 12:36 PM
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By animals I meant pets. Cats are pets. But by law, in most places, you can't own them. That may vary from state to state though. |
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Bravalady 1. Because they can. 2. Genetic engineering people for specific tasks, including the ultimate soldier. 3. Organ donors for the elite who want to live forever. Cloning is far too expensive and time-consuming to use to create an army. It's much easier just to indoctrinate people who are already living. True! Plus, clones are basically identical twins, so they have their own brains and personalities. They are not zombies.
For a body to function in an army, it needs a brain, so yes, this is an argument against building a clone army. This also answers the argument about organ donors.
Maybe under current law, but (if we don't already...) we may soon have the technology to create clones that are designed to grow and develop with only the tiniest bit of essential brain tissue needed to keep the body alive - unthinking clones with no personalities. In some countries, the law might be adjusted to allow the creation of brainless bodies that are treated as property. It's just more efficient to get already-living people to sell their organs, or to grow individual organs through things like stem cell procedures.
Efficient? We are comparing two systems. If both systems are equally effective at meeting a need, you can meaningfully compare efficiencies. But if one system is failing to meet a need that another system would meet - who gives a **** about efficiency? Staying alive is more important to all of those people who would not be able to get organs under the current system. Its like arguing against a school lunch program because its more cost effective for some parents to make their own lunches for their kids. Sure, thats more efficient for those parents, but its useless for all the kids that would otherwise go hungry. AFAIK, we cannot yet grow all organs using stem cells. True, but we are getting very close using printer technology. |
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From what I've read, you don't need an entire human body to clone an organ. I have no issues with cloning organs, but do with humans. You can grow organs without cloning. They are getting much better at it. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/8443740/Scientists-create-human-kidneys-from-stem-cells.html |
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That printer technology is amazing. Almost unbelievable.
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What do you really mean by cloning humans? True cloning would be done entirely in a test tube acting as an artificial womb and as far as I know this is impossible. The clone would have to grow at a greatly accelerated rate if it were to ever reach the same maturity. The accelerated aging would have to be slowed to a normal aging rate, but when is a clone "born". To me circumventing any part of the life cycle from birth to adulthood to death would make a clone unqualified to be a human.
I'm assuming that by cloning you are describing a method of invitro-fertilization. The "clone" is still born as a daughter. Homozygotic twins really are clones in common parlance, but they're not identical. (Assuming there's no magical or almost magical (chemical) process that occurs when an egg is fertilized)... It is theoretically easier to clone a female by placing the individual's DNA into her own egg; while one would have to remove the maternal mitochondria from the egg and replace it with individual's mitochondria. There's more to say, but I think that's enough for now. |
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What do you really mean by cloning humans? True cloning would be done entirely in a test tube acting as an artificial womb and as far as I know this is impossible. The clone would have to grow at a greatly accelerated rate if it were to ever reach the same maturity. The accelerated aging would have to be slowed to a normal aging rate, but when is a clone "born". To me circumventing any part of the life cycle from birth to adulthood to death would make a clone unqualified to be a human. I'm assuming that by cloning you are describing a method of invitro-fertilization. The "clone" is still born as a daughter. Homozygotic twins really are clones in common parlance, but they're not identical. (Assuming there's no magical or almost magical (chemical) process that occurs when an egg is fertilized)... It is theoretically easier to clone a female by placing the individual's DNA into her own egg; while one would have to remove the maternal mitochondria from the egg and replace it with individual's mitochondria. There's more to say, but I think that's enough for now. The pets cloned in Korea were invetro-fertilization into a female dog. The clones were created entirely from the cells of the cloned animal without the use of sperm from another animal. That is what I mean by cloning. It is entirely possible to clone a human the same way. I'm pretty sure they have done this already. |
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Edited by
1SOPHIAIUX
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Fri 09/21/12 06:44 PM
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Once somebody told me: " now that we are into clonning, we ought to be clonning people like you"
A Director an previous employer...I enjoyed the compliment! I would let myself be cloned! I love and live science! |
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What do you really mean by cloning humans? True cloning would be done entirely in a test tube acting as an artificial womb and as far as I know this is impossible. The clone would have to grow at a greatly accelerated rate if it were to ever reach the same maturity. The accelerated aging would have to be slowed to a normal aging rate, but when is a clone "born". To me circumventing any part of the life cycle from birth to adulthood to death would make a clone unqualified to be a human. I'm assuming that by cloning you are describing a method of invitro-fertilization. The "clone" is still born as a daughter. Homozygotic twins really are clones in common parlance, but they're not identical. (Assuming there's no magical or almost magical (chemical) process that occurs when an egg is fertilized)... It is theoretically easier to clone a female by placing the individual's DNA into her own egg; while one would have to remove the maternal mitochondria from the egg and replace it with individual's mitochondria. There's more to say, but I think that's enough for now. The pets cloned in Korea were invetro-fertilization into a female dog. The clones were created entirely from the cells of the cloned animal without the use of sperm from another animal. That is what I mean by cloning. It is entirely possible to clone a human the same way. I'm pretty sure they have done this already. The way cloning works, typically, is that a cell is taken from an animal. Certain cells work better than others. Stomach lining cells have been used successfully. The cell then has it's DNA removed with a micro pipette (somewhat like a very small turkey baster. An egg from the same animal species then has it's DNA removed and replaced with the DNA that was removed from the stomach cell. An electric shock is used to stimulate the cell into growing. The egg is then implanted into the womb of a female of the species to grow normally but produce an animal identical to the one which gave the stomach cell with certain cellular differences such a telomere shortening of the original animal which could affect the clone's viability. (reference, Dolly the sheep) There is no actual need for a clone to grow to adulthood. The leader of some nation could have several clones made for organ replacement and have them started at different times several years apart. If he needed a new kidney or liver, he could take one from a five or ten years old clone and it would work ok and grow to adult size in his body. Considering the people of wealth and power in this world, I would be surprised if cloning has not been done for this purpose. |
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Now that Korea has gone into the pet cloning business, how long before people begin paying them under the table to clone humans? Or are they already doing it? Do you think human cloning is happening under the protection of "classified" technology? I do. I don't. What would be the point? Harvesting organs that won't be rejected, from a body that has no legal rights. That probably won't be necessary; we'll just "print" the organs we need. http://www.economist.com/node/15543683 |
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I think we should start cloning.
and if we have the ability to do it why not? It can only mean good things. along with a few major bad things that *maybe could go wrong* but still.... two thumbs up to science. |
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Now that Korea has gone into the pet cloning business, how long before people begin paying them under the table to clone humans? Or are they already doing it? Do you think human cloning is happening under the protection of "classified" technology? I do. I don't. What would be the point? Harvesting organs that won't be rejected, from a body that has no legal rights. That probably won't be necessary; we'll just "print" the organs we need. http://www.economist.com/node/15543683 Yeh, that is unfreaking believably amazing.... we have reached the future. Now if I could get a new body...... |
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Now that Korea has gone into the pet cloning business, how long before people begin paying them under the table to clone humans? Or are they already doing it? Do you think human cloning is happening under the protection of "classified" technology? I do. I don't. What would be the point? Harvesting organs that won't be rejected, from a body that has no legal rights. That probably won't be necessary; we'll just "print" the organs we need. http://www.economist.com/node/15543683 Yeh, that is unfreaking believably amazing.... we have reached the future. Now if I could get a new body...... Can I have the old one to tinker with? 
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Cloning may be tomorrows supermarkets for third world countries which have short supplies of meat to eat...Example,a lot of countries eats horse,cat,dogs etc......
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Cloning may be tomorrows supermarkets for third world countries which have short supplies of meat to eat...Example,a lot of countries eats horse,cat,dogs etc...... Perhaps. I think it is more likely to have "printed" steaks! 
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Cloning may be tomorrows supermarkets for third world countries which have short supplies of meat to eat...Example,a lot of countries eats horse,cat,dogs etc...... Perhaps. I think it is more likely to have "printed" steaks!
Make them Big as a Toiletseat and about three inches thick! 
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Cloning may be tomorrows supermarkets for third world countries which have short supplies of meat to eat...Example,a lot of countries eats horse,cat,dogs etc...... Perhaps. I think it is more likely to have "printed" steaks!
Make them Big as a Toiletseat and about three inches thick!
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Cloning may be tomorrows supermarkets for third world countries which have short supplies of meat to eat...Example,a lot of countries eats horse,cat,dogs etc...... 
You act as if eating cats were a bad thing. |
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By animals I meant pets. Cats are pets. But by law, in most places, you can't own them. That may vary from state to state though. Humans don't own cats. It's vice-versa. |
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http://youtu.be/1d-aWMQuoS4 "I Think I'm A Clone Now" Isn't it strange Feels like I'm lookin' in the mirror What would people say If only they knew that I was Part of some geneticist's plan (plan-plan-plan) Born to be a carbon copy man (man-man-man) There in a petri dish late one night They took a donor's body cell and fertilized a human egg and so I say I think I'm a clone now There's always two of me just a-hangin' around I think I'm a clone now 'Cause every chromosome is a hand-me-down Look at the way We go out walking close together I guess you could say I'm really beside myself I still remember how it began (gan-gan-gan) They produced a carbon copy man (man-man-man) Born in a science lab late one night Without a mother or a father, just a test tube and a womb with a view I think I'm a clone now (a clone now) There's always two of me just a-hangin' around I think I'm a clone now (a clone now) 'Cause every chromosome is a hand-me-down I think I'm a clone now (a clone now) And I can stay at home while I'm out of town I think I'm a clone now (a clone now) 'Cause every pair of genes is a hand-me-down Signing autographs for my fans Come and meet the carbon copy man Livin' in stereo, it's all right Well I can be my own best friend and I can send myself for pizza so I say I think I'm a clone now Another one of me's always hangin' around I think I'm a clone now 'Cause every chromosome is a hand-me-down I think I'm a clone now (a clone now) I've been on Oprah Winfrey - I'm world renowned I think I'm a clone now (a clone now) And every pair of genes is a hand-me-down I think I'm a clone now (a clone now) That's my genetic twin always hangin' around I think I'm a clone now (a clone now) 'Cause every chromosome is a hand-me-down I think I'm a clone now (a clone now) |
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