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Topic: 20,000 Year Old Spiral-Shaped Metal Object Found in Russia
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Thu 05/10/12 10:42 AM


In the years 1991-1993, gold prospectors on the small river Narada, on the eastern side of the Ural mountains, have found unusual, mostly spiral-shaped objects. The size of these things ranges from a maximum of 3 cm (1.2 in.) down to an incredible 0.003 mm, about 1/10,000th of an inch! To date, these inexplicable artifacts have been found in their thousands at various sites near the rivers Narada, Kozhim, and Balbanyu, and also by two smaller streams named Vtvisty and Lapkhevozh, mostly at depths between 3 and 12 meters (10 and 40 ft.) The spiral-form objects are composed of various metals: the larger ones are of copper, while the small and very small ones are of the rare metals tungsten and molybdenum. Tungsten has a high atomic weight, and is also very dense, with a melting point of 3410 deg. C (6100 deg. F). It is used principally for the hardening of special steels, and in unalloyed form for the filaments of light bulbs. Molybdenum also has a high density, and a respectable melting point of 2650 deg. C (4740 deg. F). This metal too is used for hardening steels and giving them corrosion-resistant properties, these being used principally for highly-stressed weapon parts and vehicle armor. All tests carried out to date these objects to around 20,000 years old.



All over the world, enigmatic artifacts have been found that do not fit the accepted geologic or historical timeline. Do they offer a radically different view of our world?


Metallic vase found inside solid rock.
Scientific American

Of all the many unexplained phenomena, experiences, and objects in the world, ones that hold a great deal of fascination for me are what I categorize as "ancient anomalies." Also called "ooparts," these are objects that by scientific measure are very old, but in form or construction appear to be quite modern. They are impossible fossils, out-of-time technology, anachronistic artifacts. In other words, if our history of the world is correct, they just should not exist. And there are many examples - many more than geologists, archaeologists, and other scientists care to admit.

Why are they so fascinating? Many reasons. First of all, most of them are real and tangible. Unlike ghosts, mysterious creatures like Bigfoot and the Loch Ness Monster, and phenomena like telekinesis, these unexplained artifacts have been seen, touched, and examined. There they are before our eyes, with nothing in our current experience or knowledge to explain them. Second, because they do exist and do not fit the standard scientific timeline or geologic and anthropologic chronology, they suggest, in their own baffling way, that either our dating techniques are wrong, geology does not progress the way we suppose it does, or there is far more to the history of life on this planet than we currently know about. In any case, these bothersome ooparts upset established, orthodox thinking. Here are a few, for your consideration:

ADVANCED TECHNOLOGY

These are the best kind of ooparts because they have been documented, often photographed, and examined by experts:

"Spark plug" in a geode. In 1961, the owners of a gift shop in Olancha, Calif. found a fossil-encrusted geode in the Coso Mountains. When one of the owners cut the geode in half with a diamond saw, however, he found an object inside that was obviously artificial. The object had a metal core surrounded by layers of a ceramic-like material and a hexagonal wooden sleeve. When X-rayed, the object seemed to resemble a modern spark plug or some other electronic component. Yet it had been completely encased in a geode that was covered with fossils estimated to be 500,000 years old.
Very old nail. In 1851, The Illinois Springfield Republican reported that a businessman named Hiram de Witt found a fist-sized chunk of auriferous quartz while on a trip to California. When it accidentally slipped from his hands, it split open, and out fell a cut-iron nail. The quartz was about 1 million years old.
Gold thread among the rock. The Times of London reported in 1844 that workmen quarrying stone near the River Tweed in Scotland found a piece of gold thread embedded in the rock eight feet below ground level.
Chain in coal. In 1891, Mrs. S. W. Culp, of Morrisonville, Ill. was fragmenting coal into smaller pieces for her kitchen stove when she noticed a chain stuck in the coal. The chain measured about 10 inches long and was later found to be made of eight-carat gold, and described as being "of antique and quaint workmanship." According to the Morrisonville Times of June 11, investigators concluded that the chain had not simply been accidentally dropped in with the coal, since some of the coal still clung to the chain, while the part that had separated from it still bore the impression of where the chain had been encased.
Ancient modern tools. While quarrying limestone in 1786, workers came to a bed of sand about 50 feet below ground level. In the layer of sand, however, they found the stumps of stone pillars and fragments of half-worked rock. Digging further, they found coins, the petrified wooden handles of hammers, and pieces of other petrified wooden tools. The sand in which the discovery was made was beneath a layer of limestone dated at 300 million years old.
Mysterious vase. In June, 1851, Scientific American reprinted a report from the Boston Transcript about how a metallic vase, found in two parts, was dynamited out of solid rock 15 feet below the surface in Dorchester, Mass. The bell-shaped vase (see photo), measuring 4-1/2 inches high and 6-1/2 inches at the base, was composed of a zinc and silver alloy. On the sides were figures of flowers in bouquet arrangements, inlaid with pure silver. The estimated age of the rock out of which it came: 100,000 years.
Too-old screw. In 1865, a two-inch metal screw was discovered in a piece of feldspar unearthed from the Abbey Mine in Treasure City, Nev. The screw had long ago oxidized, but its form - particularly the shape of its threads - could be clearly seen in the feldspar. The stone was calculated to be 21 million years in age.
Ancient nanotechnology. In 1991-1993, gold prospectors on the Narada river on the eastern side of the Ural mountains in Russia found unusual, mostly spiral-shaped objects, the smallest measuring about 1/10,000th of an inch! The objects are composed of copper and the rare metals tungsten and molybdenum. Tests showed the objects to be between 20,000 and 318,000 years old.



"One of the mysterious Ica stones"

One of the mysterious Ica stones
Dr. Javier Cabrera

MAPS AND DRAWINGS

Although mysterious, these findings are not quite as compelling because they could have been either forged or misinterpreted:

Piri Reis map. Piri Reis, a Turkish admiral and avid collector of old maps, compiled information he had gathered into a map of his own in 1513. Astonishingly, his map depicts the coastal outlines of North and South America - and Antarctica, which was not officially discovered until 1818.
Unexplained maps. Scholars aren't sure what to make of the maps etched on a rock. Do they crudely depict the continents of Earth as they appeared long ago - including the lands of Mu and Atlantis? Or, as some have suggested, do they show the lands of some other planet? To be impartial, however, they also could merely depict divisions of much smaller tracts of land.
Ica stones. In 1966, Dr. Javier Cabrera, a Peruvian physician and professor of biology, was given a rock for his birthday from a local peasant. On it was a picture of a fish, allegedly carved thousands of years ago. Upon further study, Cabrera realized the fish depicted was of a species that has been extinct for millions of years. Cabrera hunted down the source of the mysterious rock and found many others like it in Ica, Peru - thousands of them. On them were carved impossible ancient scenes: telescopes, open heart surgery, and even men battling dinosaurs (see photo)!
Egyptian helicopters? Discovered on the walls of a temple in Abydos, Egypt, are hieroglyphics that closely resemble modern aircraft in profile: a helicopter, an airplane, and some kind of hovercraft or flying disc.

HUMAN REMAINS

Although intriguing and remarkable if true, these examples are mostly the stuff of legend and folklore, and therefore largely unverifiable:

Devilish discovery. Human skulls with horns were discovered in a burial mound at Sayre, Bradford County, Pa., in the 1880s. Horny projections extended two inches above the eye-brows, and the skeletons were seven feet tall, but other than that were anatomically normal. It was estimated they were buried around AD 1200.
Jaws. In 1888, seven skeletons were found in a burial mound near Clearwater Minn. They were anatomically correct, except that the skulls featured double rows of teeth in the upper and lower jaws and had been buried in a sitting position, facing the lake. The foreheads were unusually low and sloping, with prominent brows.
Grand Canyon mystery. In 1931, Dr. F. Bruce Russell claimed to have found strange underground tunnels in the Death Valley area. According to his story, he discovered winding tunnels containing artifacts that appeared to be a combination of Egyptian and American Indian. There were also mummies there, he said, that were over eight feet tall. As far as we know, no one has ever rediscovered Russell's mysterious tunnels.
Bones in rock. Ed Conrad has found impossibly old fossilized human bones embedded in solid shale rock in Pennsylvania. The bones look human, but the rock in which they were trapped is between 280 and 300 million years old.

There are dozens and dozens of examples of such anomalies - enough to give the traditional scientific disciplines a shake-up, I would think. But because they don't fit conventional theories, these exceptions to the rules are almost always rejected out of hand. Yet, it doesn't take dozens and dozens of exceptions to challenge established thinking. All it takes is one thoroughly examined, completely verifiable anomaly to say, "The world isn't quite what we think it is."

no photo
Thu 05/10/12 12:35 PM
Wow, i'm a Geologist and i would say your info is quite startling and wonderful:. pls i would like the source of the materials for further investigation

galex3usa's photo
Thu 05/10/12 12:42 PM
so what, who cares? EVEN assuming this is all true and accurate (clearly this is a repost from another web site, perhaps as reliable and accountable as posts about UFOs and aliens, right? The author of the post HAS NOT seen this with his own eyes, touched with own hands.. right?)
How does this put food on my table and most importantly, how is this related to the purpose of this web site, which is DATING?
Some people really have nothing to do with their lives!

msmyka's photo
Thu 05/10/12 01:23 PM
Obviously SOME people do not have anything else better to do than complain.

As you can see there are a plethora of different forum topics to post about here. If he thinks it's interesting and wants to post about it then that is his prerogative.

If you don't like it, don't look at it.

no photo
Thu 05/10/12 01:28 PM
Edited by Torgo70 on Thu 05/10/12 01:30 PM

so what, who cares? EVEN assuming this is all true and accurate (clearly this is a repost from another web site, perhaps as reliable and accountable as posts about UFOs and aliens, right? The author of the post HAS NOT seen this with his own eyes, touched with own hands.. right?)
How does this put food on my table and most importantly, how is this related to the purpose of this web site, which is DATING?
Some people really have nothing to do with their lives!


So you come into the section of the Forums clearly titled Mysterious Phenomena & The Paranormal to complain about someone posting a thread dealing with the Mysterious Phenomena & The Paranormal? Genius.



Some people really have nothing to do with their lives!


Irony.

newarkjw's photo
Thu 05/10/12 01:29 PM

Obviously SOME people do not have anything else better to do than complain.

As you can see there are a plethora of different forum topics to post about here. If he thinks it's interesting and wants to post about it then that is his prerogative.

If you don't like it, don't look at it.


Sounds to me like you are complaining........smokin

no photo
Thu 05/10/12 01:30 PM


Obviously SOME people do not have anything else better to do than complain.

As you can see there are a plethora of different forum topics to post about here. If he thinks it's interesting and wants to post about it then that is his prerogative.

If you don't like it, don't look at it.


Sounds to me like you are complaining........smokin


Stop complaining.

mightymoe's photo
Thu 05/10/12 01:31 PM

Wow, i'm a Geologist and i would say your info is quite startling and wonderful:. pls i would like the source of the materials for further investigation


not the most reliable website, but i have seen these types of articles before, and it has a link to the original article...

http://beforeitsnews.com/story/2109/808/20,000_Year_Old_Spiral-Shaped_Metal_Object_Found_in_Russia.html

mightymoe's photo
Thu 05/10/12 01:32 PM


so what, who cares? EVEN assuming this is all true and accurate (clearly this is a repost from another web site, perhaps as reliable and accountable as posts about UFOs and aliens, right? The author of the post HAS NOT seen this with his own eyes, touched with own hands.. right?)
How does this put food on my table and most importantly, how is this related to the purpose of this web site, which is DATING?
Some people really have nothing to do with their lives!


So you come into the section of the Forums clearly titled Mysterious Phenomena & The Paranormal to complain about someone posting a thread dealing with the Mysterious Phenomena & The Paranormal? Genius.



Some people really have nothing to do with their lives!


Irony.


laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh

mightymoe's photo
Thu 05/10/12 01:35 PM

so what, who cares? EVEN assuming this is all true and accurate (clearly this is a repost from another web site, perhaps as reliable and accountable as posts about UFOs and aliens, right? The author of the post HAS NOT seen this with his own eyes, touched with own hands.. right?)
How does this put food on my table and most importantly, how is this related to the purpose of this web site, which is DATING?
Some people really have nothing to do with their lives!

i don't remember anyone telling you that you have to believe it... and i dont really care what puts food on your table, that seems to be your problem. and i'm pretty sure that you didn't come to a dating site to put food on your table... did you?huh
good luck with your food getting!
laugh laugh

msmyka's photo
Thu 05/10/12 02:01 PM


Obviously SOME people do not have anything else better to do than complain.

As you can see there are a plethora of different forum topics to post about here. If he thinks it's interesting and wants to post about it then that is his prerogative.

If you don't like it, don't look at it.


Sounds to me like you are complaining........smokin


Sounds to me like you are not high enough if you're still typing out coherent sentences. tongue2

no photo
Thu 05/10/12 02:52 PM
Yea, Id be skeptical without knowing how the dating was performed, and had many replications by different groups.

no photo
Thu 05/10/12 03:07 PM
Hmmm They sure look like spaceship propulsion fissurlator clips to me smokin

no photo
Thu 05/10/12 04:04 PM

Hmmm They sure look like spaceship propulsion fissurlator clips to me smokin


Saw one of those while you were getting probed, did ya?

mightymoe's photo
Fri 05/11/12 04:47 PM


Hmmm They sure look like spaceship propulsion fissurlator clips to me smokin


Saw one of those while you were getting probed, did ya?


i hate it when that happens...

metalwing's photo
Fri 05/11/12 07:21 PM
Edited by metalwing on Fri 05/11/12 07:24 PM
I have seen articles about different metal objects being found for decades. Some are buried deeply in solid rock and others not so deep but still not meshing with what we would call "normal".

Working with tungsten would not be easy more than 100 years ago.

Cool article.

BTW, Molybdenum is NOT primarily used for weapons and armor. It is used in everything from bicycles to molybdenum di-sulfide grease.

newarkjw's photo
Fri 05/11/12 07:39 PM
My great aunt Gracie swore by di-sulfide grease. She fried everything in it and lived to be 99 years old. Bless her heart......smokin

metalwing's photo
Fri 05/11/12 07:43 PM

My great aunt Gracie swore by di-sulfide grease. She fried everything in it and lived to be 99 years old. Bless her heart......smokin


I use it for axles. I don't think I want to eat it.laugh

metalwing's photo
Fri 05/11/12 07:47 PM
Here is another story out of Russia. It is confirmed by others.

And here is a passage from a letter penned in 1996 by another person who visited the Valley of Death. Mikhail Koretsky from Vladivostok wrote:

"I was there three times. The first time was in 1933, when I was ten—I travelled with my father when he went there to earn some money—then in 1937, without my father. And the last time was in 1947 as part of a group of youngsters.


"The ’Valley of Death’ extends along a right-hand tributary of the Viliuy River. In point of fact it is a whole chain of valleys along its flood lands. All three times I was there with a guide, a Yakut. We didn’t go there because life was good, but because there, in the back of beyond, you could pan for gold without the threat that at the end of the season you’d be robbed or get a bullet in the back of your head.


"As for mysterious objects, there are probably a lot of them there, as in three seasons I saw seven of those ’cauldrons’. They all struck me as totally perplexing: for one thing, there was their size—between six and nine meters in diameter.


"Secondly, they were made of some strange metal. Everyone has written that they were made of copper, but I’m sure it isn’t copper. The thing is that even a sharpened cold chisel will not mark the ’cauldrons’ (we tried more than once). The metal doesn’t break off and can’t be hammered. On copper, a hammer would definitely have left noticeable dents. But this ’copper’ is covered over with a layer of some unknown material resembling emery. Yet it’s not an oxidation layer and not scale—it can’t be chipped or scratched, either.


"We didn’t come across shafts going down into the ground with chambers. But I did note that the vegetation around the ’cauldrons’ is anomalous—totally different from what’s growing around. It’s more opulent: large-leaved burdock; very long withes; strange grass, one and a half or two times the height of a man. In one of the ’cauldrons’, the whole group of us (six people) spent the night. We didn’t sense anything bad, and we calmly left without any sort of unpleasant occurrences. Nobody fell seriously ill afterwards. Except that three months later, one of my friends lost all his hair. And on the left side of my head (the side I slept on), three small sore spots the size of match-heads appeared. I’ve tried to get rid of them all my life, but they’re still with me today.


"None of our efforts to break off even a small piece from the strange ’cauldrons’ was successful. The only thing I did manage to bring away was a stone. Not an ordinary one, though: half of a perfect sphere, six centimeters in diameter. It was black in colour and bore no visible signs of having been worked, yet was very smooth as if polished. I picked it up from the ground inside one of those cauldrons.


"I took my souvenir of Yakutia with me to the village of Samarka, Chuguyevka district, Primorsky region (the Soviet Far East), where my parents were living in 1933. I was laid up with nothing to do until my grandmother decided to build a house. We needed to put glass in the windows and there wasn’t a glass-cutter in the entire village. I tried scoring it with the edge of that half of a stone sphere, and it turned out to cut with amazing ease. After that, my find was often used like a diamond by all our relatives and friends. In 1937 I gave the stone to my grandfather, but that autumn he was arrested and taken to Magadan where he lived on without trial until 1968 and then died. Now no-one knows where my stone got to…"

In his letter, Koretsky stresses that in 1933 his Yakut guide told him that:

"…five or ten years before, he had discovered several spherical cauldrons (they were absolutely round) that protruded high (higher than a man) out of the ground. They looked brand new. Later the hunter had seen them again, now broken and scattered."

Koretsky also noted that when he visited one "cauldron" a second time, in the intervening few years it had sunk appreciably into the ground.


A. Gutenev and Yu. Mikhailovsky, two researchers who lived in the town of Mirny in Yakutia, reported that in 1971 an old hunter belonging to the Evenk people had said that in the area between two rivers known as Niugun Bootur ("fiery champion") and Atadarak ("place with a three-sided harpoon"), there is poking out of the ground the very thing that gave the place its name—a "very big" three-faceted iron harpoon—while in the area between two rivers known as Kheliugur ("iron people"), there is an iron burrow in which lie "thin, black, one-eyed people in clothes of iron".



He said that he could take people there, that it was not far away, but no-one believed him. In the meantime, he died.



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Fri 05/11/12 07:58 PM
This website has stuff buried where it didn't belong, apparently from an ancient civilization in the Pacific Northwest.

http://www.6000years.org/frame.php?page=stuff_in_coal

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