Topic: The United States Military and Population Control
Optomistic69's photo
Wed 05/02/12 11:43 AM
Written on Earth Day, Sunday, April 22, 2012
Two simple suggestions as part of a plan to save the planet.

1. Population control: limit families to two children

All else being equal, a markedly reduced population count would have a markedly beneficial effect upon global warming, air pollution, and food and water availability; as well as finding a parking spot, getting a seat on the subway, getting on the flight you prefer, and much, much more. Some favor limiting families to one child. Still others, who spend a major part of each day digesting the awful news of the world, are calling for a limit of zero. (The Chinese government announced in 2008 that the country would have about 400 million more people if it wasn't for its limit of one or two children per couple. 5

But, within the environmental movement, there is still significant opposition to this. Part of the reason is fear of ethnic criticism inasmuch as population programs have traditionally been aimed at — or seen to be aimed at — primarily the poor, the weak, and various "outsiders". There is also the fear of the religious right and its medieval views on birth control.

2. Eliminate the greatest consumer of energy in the world: The United States military.

Here's Michael Klare, professor of Peace and World Security Studies at Hampshire College, Mass. in 2007:

Sixteen gallons of oil. That's how much the average American soldier in Iraq and Afghanistan consumes on a daily basis — either directly, through the use of Humvees, tanks, trucks, and helicopters, or indirectly, by calling in air strikes. Multiply this figure by 162,000 soldiers in Iraq, 24,000 in Afghanistan, and 30,000 in the surrounding region (including sailors aboard U.S. warships in the Persian Gulf) and you arrive at approximately 3.5 million gallons of oil: the daily petroleum tab for U.S. combat operations in the Middle East war zone. Multiply that daily tab by 365 and you get 1.3 billion gallons: the estimated annual oil expenditure for U.S. combat operations in Southwest Asia. That's greater than the total annual oil usage of Bangladesh, population 150 million — and yet it's a gross underestimate of the Pentagon's wartime consumption. 6

The United States military, for decades, with its legion of bases and its numerous wars has also produced and left behind a deadly toxic legacy. From the use of Agent Orange in Vietnam in the 1960s to the open-air burn pits on US bases in Iraq and Afghanistan in the 21st century, countless local people have been sickened and killed; and in between those two periods we could read things such as this from a lengthy article on the subject in the Los Angeles Times in 1990:

U.S. military installations have polluted the drinking water of the Pacific island of Guam, poured tons of toxic chemicals into Subic Bay in the Philippines, leaked carcinogens into the water source of a German spa, spewed tons of sulfurous coal smoke into the skies of Central Europe and pumped millions of gallons of raw sewage into the oceans. 7

The military has caused similar harm to the environment in the United States at a number of its installations. (Do a Google search for <"U.S. military bases" toxic>)

Conrad_73's photo
Wed 05/02/12 11:54 AM
Edited by Conrad_73 on Wed 05/02/12 11:56 AM
you sure can find them!laugh

He is even worse than Blumlein!noway

And an Eugenist to boot!
Seems he has never heard of the Pollution by the Soviet-Russian and Russian Military!
Or is he so dense and shut off from reality in his Peacetower that he is unable to see that?
Or does he maybe have some more sinister Motives,like leaving the USA defenseless?
He is the type of rabid Leftist Teachers who are running todays Educational System!
Shame on them and their Lies!

no photo
Wed 05/02/12 12:06 PM
Edited by Bushidobillyclub on Wed 05/02/12 12:09 PM

you sure can find them!laugh

He is even worse than Blumlein!noway

And an Eugenist to boot!
Seems he has never heard of the Pollution by the Soviet-Russian and Russian Military!
Or is he so dense and shut off from reality in his Peacetower that he is unable to see that?
Or does he maybe have some more sinister Motives,like leaving the USA defenseless?
He is the type of rabid Leftist Teachers who are running todays Educational System!
Shame on them and their Lies!
I see some assertions, but no figures. If may be easy to refute, it may not, the guy may be a wack job, he may not.

As an independent third party observer you have done nothing to refute the claims made, just ad hom.

I am curious just how much carbon and other pollutants various "entities", governments, business and individuals account for energy usage, and pollution.

Right or wrong it seems to me the US military, including the supportive industrial complex, must be a top ranking polluter given our current foreign policies. It seems almost impossible to deny that if they are not the number one polluter, and user of energy they must rank awefully high on the list.

Id love to see more facts. Also Tu quoque regarding the Russians hardly makes me feel better about our own usage and pollution.

Optomistic69's photo
Wed 05/02/12 12:29 PM
Edited by Optomistic69 on Wed 05/02/12 12:31 PM


you sure can find them!laugh

He is even worse than Blumlein!noway

And an Eugenist to boot!
Seems he has never heard of the Pollution by the Soviet-Russian and Russian Military!
Or is he so dense and shut off from reality in his Peacetower that he is unable to see that?
Or does he maybe have some more sinister Motives,like leaving the USA defenseless?
He is the type of rabid Leftist Teachers who are running todays Educational System!
Shame on them and their Lies!
I see some assertions, but no figures. If may be easy to refute, it may not, the guy may be a wack job, he may not.

As an independent third party observer you have done nothing to refute the claims made, just ad hom.

I am curious just how much carbon and other pollutants various "entities", governments, business and individuals account for energy usage, and pollution.

Right or wrong it seems to me the US military, including the supportive industrial complex, must be a top ranking polluter given our current foreign policies. It seems almost impossible to deny that if they are not the number one polluter, and user of energy they must rank awefully high on the list.

Id love to see more facts. Also Tu quoque regarding the Russians hardly makes me feel better about our own usage and pollution.



Optomistic69's photo
Wed 05/02/12 12:30 PM


you sure can find them!laugh

He is even worse than Blumlein!noway

And an Eugenist to boot!
Seems he has never heard of the Pollution by the Soviet-Russian and Russian Military!
Or is he so dense and shut off from reality in his Peacetower that he is unable to see that?
Or does he maybe have some more sinister Motives,like leaving the USA defenseless?
He is the type of rabid Leftist Teachers who are running todays Educational System!
Shame on them and their Lies!
I see some assertions, but no figures. If may be easy to refute, it may not, the guy may be a wack job, he may not.

As an independent third party observer you have done nothing to refute the claims made, just ad hom.

I am curious just how much carbon and other pollutants various "entities", governments, business and individuals account for energy usage, and pollution.

Right or wrong it seems to me the US military, including the supportive industrial complex, must be a top ranking polluter given our current foreign policies. It seems almost impossible to deny that if they are not the number one polluter, and user of energy they must rank awefully high on the list.

Id love to see more facts. Also Tu quoque regarding the Russians hardly makes me feel better about our own usage and pollution.


I doubt if he is going to get back to you on that one Bushido. He has dismissed more Professors Journalists and Experts than you could shake a stick at. But watch him get back on this post.laugh laugh laugh

Conrad_73's photo
Wed 05/02/12 12:38 PM



you sure can find them!laugh

He is even worse than Blumlein!noway

And an Eugenist to boot!
Seems he has never heard of the Pollution by the Soviet-Russian and Russian Military!
Or is he so dense and shut off from reality in his Peacetower that he is unable to see that?
Or does he maybe have some more sinister Motives,like leaving the USA defenseless?
He is the type of rabid Leftist Teachers who are running todays Educational System!
Shame on them and their Lies!
I see some assertions, but no figures. If may be easy to refute, it may not, the guy may be a wack job, he may not.

As an independent third party observer you have done nothing to refute the claims made, just ad hom.

I am curious just how much carbon and other pollutants various "entities", governments, business and individuals account for energy usage, and pollution.

Right or wrong it seems to me the US military, including the supportive industrial complex, must be a top ranking polluter given our current foreign policies. It seems almost impossible to deny that if they are not the number one polluter, and user of energy they must rank awefully high on the list.

Id love to see more facts. Also Tu quoque regarding the Russians hardly makes me feel better about our own usage and pollution.


I doubt if he is going to get back to you on that one Bushido. He has dismissed more Professors Journalists and Experts than you could shake a stick at. But watch him get back on this post.laugh laugh laugh
interesting,actually!
You always hint darkly about some Global Conspiracy by which some unspecified Whatever are going to take over,yet everyone you root for has some NWO-Agenda!laugh

Optomistic69's photo
Wed 05/02/12 12:42 PM




you sure can find them!laugh

He is even worse than Blumlein!noway

And an Eugenist to boot!
Seems he has never heard of the Pollution by the Soviet-Russian and Russian Military!
Or is he so dense and shut off from reality in his Peacetower that he is unable to see that?
Or does he maybe have some more sinister Motives,like leaving the USA defenseless?
He is the type of rabid Leftist Teachers who are running todays Educational System!
Shame on them and their Lies!
I see some assertions, but no figures. If may be easy to refute, it may not, the guy may be a wack job, he may not.

As an independent third party observer you have done nothing to refute the claims made, just ad hom.

I am curious just how much carbon and other pollutants various "entities", governments, business and individuals account for energy usage, and pollution.

Right or wrong it seems to me the US military, including the supportive industrial complex, must be a top ranking polluter given our current foreign policies. It seems almost impossible to deny that if they are not the number one polluter, and user of energy they must rank awefully high on the list.

Id love to see more facts. Also Tu quoque regarding the Russians hardly makes me feel better about our own usage and pollution.


I doubt if he is going to get back to you on that one Bushido. He has dismissed more Professors Journalists and Experts than you could shake a stick at. But watch him get back on this post.laugh laugh laugh
interesting,actually!
You always hint darkly about some Global Conspiracy by which some unspecified Whatever are going to take over,yet everyone you root for has some NWO-Agenda!laugh


Told you Bushido.drinker drinker drinker

s1owhand's photo
Wed 05/02/12 12:47 PM
That's nothing. Mingle2 promotes masturbation on its Masturbate for
World Peace thread!

surprised

Conrad_73's photo
Wed 05/02/12 12:50 PM
Edited by Conrad_73 on Wed 05/02/12 12:58 PM



you sure can find them!laugh

He is even worse than Blumlein!noway

And an Eugenist to boot!
Seems he has never heard of the Pollution by the Soviet-Russian and Russian Military!
Or is he so dense and shut off from reality in his Peacetower that he is unable to see that?
Or does he maybe have some more sinister Motives,like leaving the USA defenseless?
He is the type of rabid Leftist Teachers who are running todays Educational System!
Shame on them and their Lies!
I see some assertions, but no figures. If may be easy to refute, it may not, the guy may be a wack job, he may not.

As an independent third party observer you have done nothing to refute the claims made, just ad hom.

I am curious just how much carbon and other pollutants various "entities", governments, business and individuals account for energy usage, and pollution.

Right or wrong it seems to me the US military, including the supportive industrial complex, must be a top ranking polluter given our current foreign policies. It seems almost impossible to deny that if they are not the number one polluter, and user of energy they must rank awefully high on the list.

Id love to see more facts. Also Tu quoque regarding the Russians hardly makes me feel better about our own usage and pollution.


I doubt if he is going to get back to you on that one Bushido. He has dismissed more Professors Journalists and Experts than you could shake a stick at. But watch him get back on this post.laugh laugh laugh
you right,I am not!
You brought it up,you bring figures!

Besides,the US has been raking the Chestnuts out of the Fire for everyone since WWII,just to be blamed for it!
Go do your own dirty work,Ingrates at the UN!
Besides,I really would like to see Figures,instead of Assertions by some Peacenick Perfesser!


Besides,what has pollution by the US-Forces and Population-Control,eg Eugenics have in common?what

Chazster's photo
Wed 05/02/12 12:59 PM
I seriously doubt the us military is the uses the most energy in the world.

Conrad_73's photo
Wed 05/02/12 01:01 PM

I seriously doubt the us military is the uses the most energy in the world.
that's why I have asked for some numbers!
Numbers attached to Operations,and what the Operations were for!
NATO,US,or UN!

Optomistic69's photo
Wed 05/02/12 01:07 PM


Seems he has never heard of the Pollution by the Soviet-Russian and Russian Military!



United States accounts for 18.11% of world pollution


Russia accounts for 5.67% of world pollution

Chazster's photo
Wed 05/02/12 01:13 PM



Seems he has never heard of the Pollution by the Soviet-Russian and Russian Military!



United States accounts for 18.11% of world pollution


Russia accounts for 5.67% of world pollution


What about China? Bejing has some of the worst pollution. ALSO he is talking only oil but oil is not the only type of energy. Also I would believe an airline company or trucking company would use more.

no photo
Wed 05/02/12 01:22 PM

I seriously doubt the us military is the uses the most energy in the world.
Not if you count it against entire countries . . .

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=16281892

Optomistic69's photo
Wed 05/02/12 01:43 PM




Seems he has never heard of the Pollution by the Soviet-Russian and Russian Military!



United States accounts for 18.11% of world pollution


Russia accounts for 5.67% of world pollution


What about China? Bejing has some of the worst pollution. ALSO he is talking only oil but oil is not the only type of energy. Also I would believe an airline company or trucking company would use more.


Yes China is a big Polluter but America has been a developed country when china was a backward country.


no photo
Wed 05/02/12 01:46 PM
Edited by Bushidobillyclub on Wed 05/02/12 01:46 PM
Also I would believe an airline company or trucking company would use more.
Only if you add up ALL shipping companies (in the US) does it add up to more.

I am coming to find that as an entity the US Military is the largest user of fossil fuels in the world.

Optomistic69's photo
Wed 05/02/12 01:46 PM


I seriously doubt the us military is the uses the most energy in the world.
that's why I have asked for some numbers!
Numbers attached to Operations,and what the Operations were for!
NATO,US,or UN!


You can do the research your self and this was in the original post but of course you didn't bother to read it.


Sixteen gallons of oil. That's how much the average American soldier in Iraq and Afghanistan consumes on a daily basis — either directly, through the use of Humvees, tanks, trucks, and helicopters, or indirectly, by calling in air strikes. Multiply this figure by 162,000 soldiers in Iraq, 24,000 in Afghanistan, and 30,000 in the surrounding region (including sailors aboard U.S. warships in the Persian Gulf) and you arrive at approximately 3.5 million gallons of oil: the daily petroleum tab for U.S. combat operations in the Middle East war zone. Multiply that daily tab by 365 and you get 1.3 billion gallons: the estimated annual oil expenditure for U.S. combat operations in Southwest Asia. That's greater than the total annual oil usage of Bangladesh, population 150 million — and yet it's a gross underestimate of the Pentagon's wartime consumption

Chazster's photo
Wed 05/02/12 01:50 PM
Edited by Chazster on Wed 05/02/12 01:57 PM

Also I would believe an airline company or trucking company would use more.
Only if you add up ALL shipping companies (in the US) does it add up to more.

I am coming to find that as an entity the US Military is the largest user of fossil fuels in the world.


Are you taking into account energy used for the businesses themselves? Electricity in factories and airports etc? What about the people going to and from work and their stuff at home? I mean the military people eat and live on base. It's only fair to add all this up to.

Also the military is not 1 entity.