Topic: Debt Collectors in the E.R. and Delivery Room: Is Profit-Dri
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Wed 04/25/12 08:18 PM
Debt Collectors in the E.R. and Delivery Room: Is Profit-Driven Medicine at a Breakpoint?
By Maia Szalavitz | @maiasz | April 25, 2012 | +

Imagine that you’ve brought your child to the emergency room and you’re revealing your most private health information to the hospital staff member at the desk, desperate because you fear your child’s very life is at risk. But the desk clerk seems more concerned about getting paid than giving care, and even makes veiled threats against your credit score if you’re not able to cough up the money to cover the bill.

Who is this heartless bureaucrat? Is it a hardened triage nurse? A bored clerk? Would you believe it could be a third-party bill collector posing as a hospital staffer?

Welcome to 21st-century American medicine. If you visit certain emergency rooms in Minnesota, Michigan or Utah — in at least 60 hospitals in the U.S. — the desk may be manned by bill collectors, who have been charged with getting patients to pay for care, sometimes even before they receive it.

Such bill collectors may also accost recovering surgical patients, demanding funds at their bedside. So far, there have been no reports that they’ve scrubbed into the operating room to collect money before anesthesia, but the allegations against medical debt collector Accretive Health revealed this week by Minnesota’s attorney general suggest that even that may not be beyond the pale.

According to the New York Times:

The tactics, like embedding debt collectors as employees in emergency rooms and demanding that patients pay before receiving treatment, were outlined in hundreds of company documents released by the attorney general. And they cast a spotlight on the increasingly desperate strategies among hospitals to recoup payments as their unpaid debts mount.

To patients, the debt collectors may look indistinguishable from hospital employees, may demand they pay outstanding bills and may discourage them from seeking emergency care at all, even using scripts like those in collection boiler rooms, according to the documents and employees interviewed by The New York Times.

Bloomberg reports:

Employees of Fairview Health Services, a nonprofit chain of seven hospitals based in Minneapolis, were required to use a computer system derisively called “Blue Balls” to track whether patients paid their bills and push for payment before they received care, Minnesota Attorney General Lori Swanson said. The payment system began after Fairview hired the collection agency Accretive Health Inc. in May 2010, Swanson said in a report describing the companies’ relationship.

These tactics were allegedly used despite a federal law that requires hospitals to treat all emergency patients — regardless of their ability to pay. Responding to the allegations, Accretive said in a statement, “We have a great track record of helping hospitals enhance their quality of care. For example, we have helped over 250,000 patients get insurance coverage.”

According to company documents, Accretive’s bill collectors had access to patients’ health information, possibly in breach of federal privacy laws. The company’s employees may also have violated the law by failing to identify themselves to unknowing patients as collectors.

The Times reported that Accretive even targeted women in labor, saying that in July 2010 a manager urged staffers to “’get cracking on labor and delivery,’ since there is a ‘good chunk to be collected there,’ according to company e-mails.”

The alleged violations were first uncovered when an Accretive employee’s unencrypted laptop was stolen from a rental car parked in the Seven Corners bar and restaurant district in Minneapolis on July 25, 2011. The computer was found to contain personal identity information and medical records of nearly 23,500 patients of two Minnesota hospital systems — including highly sensitive data like HIV status, information about mental illnesses and social security numbers.

Minnesota Attorney General Swanson filed a civil lawsuit in January against the company for “failing to protect the confidentiality of patient health care records and not disclosing to patients its extensive involvement in their health care.” In a related press release, she said:

The debt collector found a way to essentially monetize portions of the revenue and health care delivery systems of some nonprofit hospitals for Wall Street investors, without the knowledge or consent of patients who have the right to know how their information is being used and to have it kept confidential. … Accretive showcases its activities to Wall Street investors but hides them from Minnesota patients.

Accretive Health is part of Accretive LLC, a private equity fund.

Is it at all surprising that Main Street continues to rage against Wall Street when it has shown such casual disregard for people’s lives — and when it pushes for profit while risking lives by reducing access to care? This sort of vulture capitalism is beyond unhealthy — it’s sick. Whether American health care can recover will depend on public pressure and outrage and on medical professionals recognizing that a health system that would allow a money-collecting company to bully its patients needs a complete moral and ethical detox — perhaps even a transplant.

Maia Szalavitz is a health writer for TIME.com. Find her on Twitter at @maiasz. You can also continue the discussion on TIME Healthland‘s Facebook page and on Twitter at @TIMEHealthland.

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Thu 04/26/12 12:58 AM
that sucks,,,,

I dont think they should be able to infringe upon people that way. That should be considered harassment.

Sojourning_Soul's photo
Thu 04/26/12 05:14 AM

Yep, just like the individual mandate in Owe-Bummercare...pay or go to jail!

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Thu 04/26/12 07:21 AM



This is why we need to get the money out of D.C. Money is the single most important thing facing us, bigger then illegal immigration, radical islam, global warming (maybe not that big) but I think you get the picture. You can be rest assured that if wall street is involved they bought off Chuck Schumer.

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Thu 04/26/12 07:40 AM


Yep, just like the individual mandate in Owe-Bummercare...pay or go to jail!



but they arent collecting that while you are getting medical care

just like the taxes they use towards the roads arent colllected by people stopping you on your way to work and 'collecting' it,,,

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Thu 04/26/12 07:59 AM



Yep, just like the individual mandate in Owe-Bummercare...pay or go to jail!



but they arent collecting that while you are getting medical care

just like the taxes they use towards the roads arent colllected by people stopping you on your way to work and 'collecting' it,,,


You're right.... They don't wait for you to go to the hospital, or even care if you ever have to.... just pay or go to jail!

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Thu 04/26/12 11:07 AM




Yep, just like the individual mandate in Owe-Bummercare...pay or go to jail!



but they arent collecting that while you are getting medical care

just like the taxes they use towards the roads arent colllected by people stopping you on your way to work and 'collecting' it,,,


You're right.... They don't wait for you to go to the hospital, or even care if you ever have to.... just pay or go to jail!


yep, and they dont wait for you to drive or have kids to pay those taxes that go to roads and schools, ,,,just dont pay your taxes and go to jail,,,,!!

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Thu 04/26/12 01:53 PM
Edited by Sojourning_Soul on Thu 04/26/12 01:54 PM
Those are state taxes.... don't like them, move....NOT a federal mandate!

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Thu 04/26/12 01:57 PM





Yep, just like the individual mandate in Owe-Bummercare...pay or go to jail!



but they arent collecting that while you are getting medical care

just like the taxes they use towards the roads arent colllected by people stopping you on your way to work and 'collecting' it,,,


You're right.... They don't wait for you to go to the hospital, or even care if you ever have to.... just pay or go to jail!


yep, and they dont wait for you to drive or have kids to pay those taxes that go to roads and schools, ,,,just dont pay your taxes and go to jail,,,,!!


you sure seem to like this dictatorship barry has thrown at us... hope it works out for you, because it is not working for the rest of us...

msharmony's photo
Thu 04/26/12 02:05 PM

Those are state taxes.... don't like them, move....NOT a federal mandate!



and the same holds true with fed taxes, dont like them,, move,,,,



Sojourning_Soul's photo
Thu 04/26/12 02:53 PM

Fed taxes on "individuals" were never legal... The IRS, and the FED only came into being after the great Jeckyl Island retreat.

The Fed reserve act of 1913 was the biggest blunder of the Wilson presidency, and he later made an apology to the American people for what he had just done to them!

The 16th amendment was rushed thru congress while many were on holiday vacation, and NEVER ratified by a majority.... but our gov't obviously doesn't care, or wish to FIX it! Ron Paul does!

"The monster from Jekyl Island"..... good reading!

I fought for this country, and its people.....not the people running it! I'm not about to "leave" it to the death throws brought on by the last few, or the current, administrations!

What part of "unconstitutional" (personal mandate) on a federal level are you not getting?

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Thu 04/26/12 08:18 PM






Yep, just like the individual mandate in Owe-Bummercare...pay or go to jail!



but they arent collecting that while you are getting medical care

just like the taxes they use towards the roads arent colllected by people stopping you on your way to work and 'collecting' it,,,


You're right.... They don't wait for you to go to the hospital, or even care if you ever have to.... just pay or go to jail!


yep, and they dont wait for you to drive or have kids to pay those taxes that go to roads and schools, ,,,just dont pay your taxes and go to jail,,,,!!


you sure seem to like this dictatorship barry has thrown at us... hope it works out for you, because it is not working for the rest of us...


I havent witnessed any more of a 'dictatorship' than with any other president in my lifetime,, congress is running things as they mostly have and this president actually vetos less of those decisions than most,,,,

msharmony's photo
Thu 04/26/12 08:21 PM


Fed taxes on "individuals" were never legal... The IRS, and the FED only came into being after the great Jeckyl Island retreat.

The Fed reserve act of 1913 was the biggest blunder of the Wilson presidency, and he later made an apology to the American people for what he had just done to them!

The 16th amendment was rushed thru congress while many were on holiday vacation, and NEVER ratified by a majority.... but our gov't obviously doesn't care, or wish to FIX it! Ron Paul does!

"The monster from Jekyl Island"..... good reading!

I fought for this country, and its people.....not the people running it! I'm not about to "leave" it to the death throws brought on by the last few, or the current, administrations!

What part of "unconstitutional" (personal mandate) on a federal level are you not getting?


the part where we pick and choose which parts of the actual constition are 'constitutional',,,,

mightymoe's photo
Thu 04/26/12 08:58 PM







Yep, just like the individual mandate in Owe-Bummercare...pay or go to jail!



but they arent collecting that while you are getting medical care

just like the taxes they use towards the roads arent colllected by people stopping you on your way to work and 'collecting' it,,,


You're right.... They don't wait for you to go to the hospital, or even care if you ever have to.... just pay or go to jail!


yep, and they dont wait for you to drive or have kids to pay those taxes that go to roads and schools, ,,,just dont pay your taxes and go to jail,,,,!!


you sure seem to like this dictatorship barry has thrown at us... hope it works out for you, because it is not working for the rest of us...


I havent witnessed any more of a 'dictatorship' than with any other president in my lifetime,, congress is running things as they mostly have and this president actually vetos less of those decisions than most,,,,


ok, so barry is letting congress do what they want... he is not a very good leader then....

msharmony's photo
Thu 04/26/12 09:47 PM








Yep, just like the individual mandate in Owe-Bummercare...pay or go to jail!



but they arent collecting that while you are getting medical care

just like the taxes they use towards the roads arent colllected by people stopping you on your way to work and 'collecting' it,,,


You're right.... They don't wait for you to go to the hospital, or even care if you ever have to.... just pay or go to jail!


yep, and they dont wait for you to drive or have kids to pay those taxes that go to roads and schools, ,,,just dont pay your taxes and go to jail,,,,!!


you sure seem to like this dictatorship barry has thrown at us... hope it works out for you, because it is not working for the rest of us...


I havent witnessed any more of a 'dictatorship' than with any other president in my lifetime,, congress is running things as they mostly have and this president actually vetos less of those decisions than most,,,,


ok, so barry is letting congress do what they want... he is not a very good leader then....



cant please everyone

if he fought with them they would say he dictates
and if he doesnt fight they say he isnt leading