i attribute Gulf war syndrome to gas attacks. there is simply no way that exposure to DU can cause illness.... unless mabe you were to crush the stuff and inhale the dust for about 30 years. As soon as people in this country hear the word radioactive, they assume its all deadly and theres no defense against it.this is due to a combination of lack of information and outright dis information. i dont know how i can draw you a clearer picture than that.
i was referring to the coolant system in the reactor. the soviets use liquid sodium which is problematic for several reasons. its caustic, and it is a high temp coolant for example. it has been known to solidify in the coolant lines and cause a meltdown.

now for our next lesson, civil defense.
in the former soviet union, they have an extensive system of shelters and a very active CD program. the kiddies are taught in school at various grade levels the basics. then at the workplace, they have classes every other year, and for the invalids, they will come to your apartment building and teach classes also. This from a country that cant feed its people. clearly they understand the value of an informed populace. compare this with the ridiculus reccomendations we get from our govt. e.g., if your covered in radioactive dust, you should take a shower. thats beautiful except in the event of an attack, wouldent the utilities be blown into little chunks?
Duct tape and plastic?
3 days supply of essentials? try 3 months. how long could you survive on the food in your house?? most people have 2-3 days worth of food these days.
we are the most powerful country in the world, yet most people say that they would die in the event of an attack. even the enemy couldent indoctrinate our citizens any better than this line of thinking. what happens when you DO survive the attack, as most people would? ( within 1/2 mile of ground zero in hiroshima, 600 people survived the attack and radiation so even with the larger bombs today, if your several miles from an explosion you have an excellent chance of survivval, contrary to populat thinking)
That is what civil defense addresses. its not just about nuclear war, any disaster of a large scale requires the same skills to overcome.

Re: drawing a clearer picture: - You could if you list your scources for D.U. being harmless. I have no direct experience,
do you? The scources I checked out were in Iraq, including the
govt's own top expert in the field, Doug Rokker. I'd like to see what you think of what he says.

i think hes lost in the fog.

Why, because uncle Sam no longer likes him? He was who they chose as their penultimate authority on the subject in Iraq.
Surely, he's not completely in the fog.
Who do you find a convincing authority?

I mean, since you're teaching us all a lesson, it's only fair to list your sources for your information. Niether of us has direct experience.

IM THE CONVINCING AUTHORITY. IVE WORKED WITH THE STUFF, TESTED IT WITH GEIGER COUNTERS, been to the safety/ security meetings, ect. ect. ect. i think hes lost in the fog if he really believes that DU is harmbful. it dont have anything to do with polotics, slick. it has to do with math. it just aint there.

"list your sources". your too funny.

..... besides Were talkin civil defense now anyway.





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I GOT NOTHIN. ANYONE ELSE?
whos been in an old shelter or has an old CD biscuit tin?
coldwareracivildefensemuseum.com

So, why don't YOU eat the stuff if it's as harmless as you say,
because regardless of whether WE think it's safe or not, we have no right leaving tons of the sh*t in fine dust all over Iraq.
You like it, YOU play with it. And It's a sorry state if YOU'RE
the expert; you barely have a grasp on your own language.

How about this, rambill - Are you aware that the U.S. govt.
has given itself "legal" authority to test chemical, biological
and wierd genetic stuff on their own servicemen without their knowledge? Civilians, too? How are those anthrax vaccines working out? As an "expert", you must be familiar with pathogenic mycoplasma, which 3/4th's of the world's population is estimated to be harboring now. I'm sure you know about Morgellon's disease, too.

old news there. the testing goes back to at least the 50s. whats your point?
which public school did you say you went to?

why dont you eat soap? its harmless too.

civil defense class today. sorry.

My point, "expert", is that U.S. servicemen are dying in their thousands now - (More than "in the fifties") as unwitting guinea pigs.

... and this is news to you?

ive been collecting old geiger counters, ect, Mabe a class on radiation detection is in order.
there are:
*survey meters
*geiger counters
* dosimeters.
whats the diff?

My name is Yasuhiko Taketa. I come from Hiroshima, where an atomic bomb was dropped on August 6, 1945, for the first time in history. I was 12 years old at that time, and a first grader in junior high school. We received a militaristic education and were told that we should give up our lives for the Emperor and for the country. Japan was losing its power day by day. By early 1945, it had lost control of the sea as well as of the sky.

"My home town was outside Hiroshima, but my school was in Hiroshima. On August 6, 1945, we had been given a day off. In the morning, I was asked to deliver some food to my elder sister's house. A little after 8 a.m., I was waiting for the train at the railway station. Suddenly, there was an intense flash. Everything looked bluish white. Then there was a thunder-like sound. I felt as if my stomach had been cut open and my intestines were coming out. Then I felt extreme heat on my cheek. Looking in the direction from where the heat was coming, I saw a white spot, which became yellow and then red, and turned into a huge fireball, seemingly coming towards me. It was a horrendous sight. I felt like choking. I was looking at this 7 km away from ground zero.

"Later, I learnt that Enola Gay had released the bomb at a height of 9,000 metres, and that the bomb had exploded at a height of 600 metres. The surface temperature at ground zero rose to 6,000 oC. The diameter of the fireball was 200 metres. Under the fireball, those who had not been killed instantly were running around, trying to escape. After a while, we saw people fleeing Hiroshima towards our town. They looked like ghosts. Many were burnt, almost naked, with swollen faces, or had their skin peeled by the heat. Some were holding their intestines.

"Two days after the explosion, I walked into Hiroshima with some friends. The city was totally destroyed. There were dead bodies everywhere. Our school was devastated. The second graders who were at school that day were killed, all 183 of them. All around us, people were still dying. Some were crying, 'Give me water, give me water'. I saw a child groping for his mother's breast, but she was already dead. There were no facilities for cremation, so people dug holes and threw the bodies in them and then burnt them. There was a smell of charred bodies everywhere.

"At that time, Hiroshima's population was 400,000, of which 140,000 died by the end of 1945, 90 per cent of them within a week of the explosion. Of the city's 76,000 buildings, 70,000 were completely destroyed or burnt down.

"People continue to die even today, from the after-effects of radiation. The dreadfulness of nuclear war is that even if you survive the bombing, you can suffer much later. As of last year, there were 202,118 registered deaths due to the Hiroshima bombing. Survivors are faced with suffering and the fear of death every day. I would like you to remember this.

"I WONDER for what purpose she came into this world," said Hiroshima survivor Yasuhiko Taketa, referring to his elder sister who died in agony at the age of 16. She was 1.4 km away from "ground zero" when a nuclear bomb was dropped on Hiroshima on August 6, 1945. She was brought home, 7 km from ground zero, the next evening. "Her arrival is," said Taketa, "a very sad memory for me." "She was lying on a cart, severely burnt. Her clothes were glued to her skin. We wanted to spread oil on her skin, but we could not remove her clothes. So we had to cut the clothes away from the skin with scissors, causing her horrendous pain. She died on August 9, crying 'Mother, help me, mother help me'. There was nothing we could do to help her. There were no medicines, no doctors." Thus spoke Yasuhiko Taketa in Pokhran on June 17, 1998.

from the book hiroshima. got it in my library.