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Topic: If Big Labor Would But Fight
motowndowntown's photo
Sat 03/31/12 10:16 AM
Yes lets all go back to the pre-union days of sixty hour work weeks,
sweat shops, hazardous working conditions, and abject poverty for the working class. Then the idiots who talk about social reform like it was some kind of disease will at last be happy.

mightymoe's photo
Sat 03/31/12 10:20 AM

Yes lets all go back to the pre-union days of sixty hour work weeks,
sweat shops, hazardous working conditions, and abject poverty for the working class. Then the idiots who talk about social reform like it was some kind of disease will at last be happy.


yea, like the government would let that happen...the one good reason for a big government.

Conrad_73's photo
Sat 03/31/12 10:24 AM

Yes lets all go back to the pre-union days of sixty hour work weeks,
sweat shops, hazardous working conditions, and abject poverty for the working class. Then the idiots who talk about social reform like it was some kind of disease will at last be happy.
but they are already here,if you try make ends meet!
Thanks to the looting by the Big Unions!
That enslave you workers,and you think it's fine because the Union does it!

Bestinshow's photo
Sat 03/31/12 01:50 PM
I sometimes laugh so hard at these comments andthen I am sobered at how sad they realy are.

It seems to be that the only people who are not totaly going backwards economicly are union workers, granted many are just standing still economicly but far more others are going backwards.

I do not know were some of you get your information but at my jobsite sometimes a breakdown is thought to be mechanica lso they send a millwright he determins its electrical and they send an electrician who then sometimes find its a software issue and they send a tech.

It makes no sence at all to have someone not skilled in an area preform maintinance on something they are not qualified to do.

I have never heard of anyone refuseing to do a repair unless they did not have the skills.

But why listen to me just because I work union and see it everyday laugh


I worked today at time and a half had a blast with my coworkers and had a great production run, everyone was happy.

mightymoe's photo
Sat 03/31/12 02:00 PM
It seems to be that the only people who are not totaly going backwards economicly are union workers, granted many are just standing still economicly but far more others are going backwards.


and that doesn't tell you anything? thats what is really sad...

metalwing's photo
Sat 03/31/12 02:01 PM

I sometimes laugh so hard at these comments andthen I am sobered at how sad they realy are.

It seems to be that the only people who are not totaly going backwards economicly are union workers, granted many are just standing still economicly but far more others are going backwards.

I do not know were some of you get your information but at my jobsite sometimes a breakdown is thought to be mechanica lso they send a millwright he determins its electrical and they send an electrician who then sometimes find its a software issue and they send a tech.

It makes no sence at all to have someone not skilled in an area preform maintinance on something they are not qualified to do.

I have never heard of anyone refuseing to do a repair unless they did not have the skills.

But why listen to me just because I work union and see it everyday laugh


I worked today at time and a half had a blast with my coworkers and had a great production run, everyone was happy.



The real world.

Begin Quote:

Union Membership in U.S. Fell to a 70-Year Low Last Year
By STEVEN GREENHOUSE
Published: January 21, 2011


The number of American workers in unions declined sharply last year, the Bureau of Labor Statistics reported on Friday, with the percentage slipping to 11.9 percent, the lowest rate in more than 70 years.

The report found that the number of workers in unions fell by 612,000 last year to 14.7 million, an even larger decrease than the overall 417,000 decline in the total number of Americans working.

“It was a very tough year for unionized workers,” said John Schmitt, a senior economist with the Center for Economic and Policy Research in Washington. “We’re seeing declines in the private sector, and we’re seeing declines in the public sector.”

The number of private sector workers in unions fell by 339,000, to 7.1 million, while the number of public sector union members fell by 273,000, to 7.6 million.

The percentage of private sector workers in unions fell to 6.9 percent, down from 7.2 percent, the lowest rate for private sector workers in more than a century, labor historians said.

In 2009, for the first time in American history, government employees accounted for more than half the nation’s union membership, but the percentage of government workers in unions fell to 36.2 percent last year, down from 37.4 percent the previous year.

The Bureau of Labor Statistics said that the overall unionization rate last year was down from 12.3 percent in 2009 and 20.1 percent in 1983, when there were 17.7 million union members. The peak unionization rate was 35 percent during the mid-1950s, after a surge in unionization during the Great Depression and after World War II.

Bestinshow's photo
Sat 03/31/12 02:08 PM


I sometimes laugh so hard at these comments andthen I am sobered at how sad they realy are.

It seems to be that the only people who are not totaly going backwards economicly are union workers, granted many are just standing still economicly but far more others are going backwards.

I do not know were some of you get your information but at my jobsite sometimes a breakdown is thought to be mechanica lso they send a millwright he determins its electrical and they send an electrician who then sometimes find its a software issue and they send a tech.

It makes no sence at all to have someone not skilled in an area preform maintinance on something they are not qualified to do.

I have never heard of anyone refuseing to do a repair unless they did not have the skills.

But why listen to me just because I work union and see it everyday laugh


I worked today at time and a half had a blast with my coworkers and had a great production run, everyone was happy.



The real world.

Begin Quote:

Union Membership in U.S. Fell to a 70-Year Low Last Year
By STEVEN GREENHOUSE
Published: January 21, 2011


The number of American workers in unions declined sharply last year, the Bureau of Labor Statistics reported on Friday, with the percentage slipping to 11.9 percent, the lowest rate in more than 70 years.

The report found that the number of workers in unions fell by 612,000 last year to 14.7 million, an even larger decrease than the overall 417,000 decline in the total number of Americans working.

“It was a very tough year for unionized workers,” said John Schmitt, a senior economist with the Center for Economic and Policy Research in Washington. “We’re seeing declines in the private sector, and we’re seeing declines in the public sector.”

The number of private sector workers in unions fell by 339,000, to 7.1 million, while the number of public sector union members fell by 273,000, to 7.6 million.

The percentage of private sector workers in unions fell to 6.9 percent, down from 7.2 percent, the lowest rate for private sector workers in more than a century, labor historians said.

In 2009, for the first time in American history, government employees accounted for more than half the nation’s union membership, but the percentage of government workers in unions fell to 36.2 percent last year, down from 37.4 percent the previous year.

The Bureau of Labor Statistics said that the overall unionization rate last year was down from 12.3 percent in 2009 and 20.1 percent in 1983, when there were 17.7 million union members. The peak unionization rate was 35 percent during the mid-1950s, after a surge in unionization during the Great Depression and after World War II.
Yes and the rich got richer and the poor poorer. We sure do not need unions raising wages and working conditions things are so much better without them.laugh

Have fun kids I am only home for a moments coffee then off to my GF to grill this awsome sausage my co worker brought into work today whos brother runs a butcher shop.

Bestinshow's photo
Sat 03/31/12 02:08 PM

Yes lets all go back to the pre-union days of sixty hour work weeks,
sweat shops, hazardous working conditions, and abject poverty for the working class. Then the idiots who talk about social reform like it was some kind of disease will at last be happy.
Worth repeating over and overdrinker

metalwing's photo
Sat 03/31/12 02:28 PM


Yes lets all go back to the pre-union days of sixty hour work weeks,
sweat shops, hazardous working conditions, and abject poverty for the working class. Then the idiots who talk about social reform like it was some kind of disease will at last be happy.
Worth repeating over and overdrinker


It's sad you missed the point.

The jobs are in China. To a large degree, the unions put them there.

motowndowntown's photo
Sat 03/31/12 06:49 PM



Yes lets all go back to the pre-union days of sixty hour work weeks,
sweat shops, hazardous working conditions, and abject poverty for the working class. Then the idiots who talk about social reform like it was some kind of disease will at last be happy.
Worth repeating over and overdrinker


It's sad you missed the point.

The jobs are in China. To a large degree, the unions put them there.


Unions didn't put them there. Management did.

But don't worry, those jobs will be back when non union wages fall below that of the Chinese.

Then you'll be happily working like a serf and living on beans and rice.

metalwing's photo
Sat 03/31/12 11:06 PM




Yes lets all go back to the pre-union days of sixty hour work weeks,
sweat shops, hazardous working conditions, and abject poverty for the working class. Then the idiots who talk about social reform like it was some kind of disease will at last be happy.
Worth repeating over and overdrinker


It's sad you missed the point.

The jobs are in China. To a large degree, the unions put them there.


Unions didn't put them there. Management did.

But don't worry, those jobs will be back when non union wages fall below that of the Chinese.

Then you'll be happily working like a serf and living on beans and rice.


I work for myself. Union members should try it sometime.

Conrad_73's photo
Sun 04/01/12 03:19 AM
Edited by Conrad_73 on Sun 04/01/12 03:21 AM




Yes lets all go back to the pre-union days of sixty hour work weeks,
sweat shops, hazardous working conditions, and abject poverty for the working class. Then the idiots who talk about social reform like it was some kind of disease will at last be happy.
Worth repeating over and overdrinker


It's sad you missed the point.

The jobs are in China. To a large degree, the unions put them there.


Unions didn't put them there. Management did.

But don't worry, those jobs will be back when non union wages fall below that of the Chinese.

Then you'll be happily working like a serf and living on beans and rice.
you been screwed by your own Unions,and seem to like it!laugh

and the way thuggish Labor been acting up,I'd put them out of your reach too!

Bestinshow's photo
Sun 04/01/12 10:32 AM



Yes lets all go back to the pre-union days of sixty hour work weeks,
sweat shops, hazardous working conditions, and abject poverty for the working class. Then the idiots who talk about social reform like it was some kind of disease will at last be happy.
Worth repeating over and overdrinker


It's sad you missed the point.

The jobs are in China. To a large degree, the unions put them there.
I tend to think it was corperate greed that put them their.

The one % was not content with makeing 40% more than the average worker and the average union worker was not going to take wage cuts so they could make even more.

In 2005, the average CEO in the United States earned 262 times the pay of the average worker, the second-highest level of this ratio in the 40 years for which there are data. In 2005, a CEO earned more in one workday (there are 260 in a year) than an average worker earned in 52 weeks.
In 1973 the average ceo made 27 times that of an average worker.
http://www.epi.org/publication/webfeatures_snapshots_20060621/

You can cite corperate propaganda all day long I choose to stick to the facts.laugh

Conrad_73's photo
Sun 04/01/12 12:57 PM
Fight?
They're way too busy ripping off the Worker and enslaving him slowly but surely!

They are part of the "1%" you love so much!

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/opinion/columnists/guests/s_778775.html

http://www.weeklystandard.com/articles/freeing-workers-union-bosses_618796.html


http://laborpains.org/2012/03/26/with-court-blessing-nlrb-keeps-up-union-friendly-rulings/

They are the Bane of the Workers!
What happen to the Freedom To work?
Without interference by others!
Be that Unions or Government,or an Unholy Alliance between both!


metalwing's photo
Sun 04/01/12 01:08 PM




Yes lets all go back to the pre-union days of sixty hour work weeks,
sweat shops, hazardous working conditions, and abject poverty for the working class. Then the idiots who talk about social reform like it was some kind of disease will at last be happy.
Worth repeating over and overdrinker


It's sad you missed the point.

The jobs are in China. To a large degree, the unions put them there.
I tend to think it was corperate greed that put them their.

The one % was not content with makeing 40% more than the average worker and the average union worker was not going to take wage cuts so they could make even more.

In 2005, the average CEO in the United States earned 262 times the pay of the average worker, the second-highest level of this ratio in the 40 years for which there are data. In 2005, a CEO earned more in one workday (there are 260 in a year) than an average worker earned in 52 weeks.
In 1973 the average ceo made 27 times that of an average worker.
http://www.epi.org/publication/webfeatures_snapshots_20060621/

You can cite corperate propaganda all day long I choose to stick to the facts.laugh


I don't know any corporate propaganda. My sister, however, is shop steward of her union and no one blasts the inefficiency of the unions like she does. She constantly chews out her fellow union members for looking for excuses not to work. She says they all are overpaid and underworked.

But they are union and nobody can do anything about it.

mightymoe's photo
Sun 04/01/12 01:54 PM
Edited by mightymoe on Sun 04/01/12 01:56 PM





Yes lets all go back to the pre-union days of sixty hour work weeks,
sweat shops, hazardous working conditions, and abject poverty for the working class. Then the idiots who talk about social reform like it was some kind of disease will at last be happy.
Worth repeating over and overdrinker


It's sad you missed the point.

The jobs are in China. To a large degree, the unions put them there.
I tend to think it was corperate greed that put them their.

The one % was not content with makeing 40% more than the average worker and the average union worker was not going to take wage cuts so they could make even more.

In 2005, the average CEO in the United States earned 262 times the pay of the average worker, the second-highest level of this ratio in the 40 years for which there are data. In 2005, a CEO earned more in one workday (there are 260 in a year) than an average worker earned in 52 weeks.
In 1973 the average ceo made 27 times that of an average worker.
http://www.epi.org/publication/webfeatures_snapshots_20060621/

You can cite corperate propaganda all day long I choose to stick to the facts.laugh


I don't know any corporate propaganda. My sister, however, is shop steward of her union and no one blasts the inefficiency of the unions like she does. She constantly chews out her fellow union members for looking for excuses not to work. She says they all are overpaid and underworked.

But they are union and nobody can do anything about it.


thats why union workers love the unions. they are protected and can be as lazy as they want. none of them could ever have a job in the real world, they would be fired right away.

Bestinshow's photo
Sun 04/01/12 02:19 PM





Yes lets all go back to the pre-union days of sixty hour work weeks,
sweat shops, hazardous working conditions, and abject poverty for the working class. Then the idiots who talk about social reform like it was some kind of disease will at last be happy.
Worth repeating over and overdrinker


It's sad you missed the point.

The jobs are in China. To a large degree, the unions put them there.
I tend to think it was corperate greed that put them their.

The one % was not content with makeing 40% more than the average worker and the average union worker was not going to take wage cuts so they could make even more.

In 2005, the average CEO in the United States earned 262 times the pay of the average worker, the second-highest level of this ratio in the 40 years for which there are data. In 2005, a CEO earned more in one workday (there are 260 in a year) than an average worker earned in 52 weeks.
In 1973 the average ceo made 27 times that of an average worker.
http://www.epi.org/publication/webfeatures_snapshots_20060621/

You can cite corperate propaganda all day long I choose to stick to the facts.laugh


I don't know any corporate propaganda. My sister, however, is shop steward of her union and no one blasts the inefficiency of the unions like she does. She constantly chews out her fellow union members for looking for excuses not to work. She says they all are overpaid and underworked.

But they are union and nobody can do anything about it.


My brothers wifes sister in law is queen of Nabu........... eh whatever.

In this thread someone has posted how the unions memeber ship is realy low and that is true....... so whats the excuse for this wretched economy? No it isnt unions by your own admission we are few.

Logicly then lets look for other reasons besides unions.


The facts are ceos make almost three hundred times the average worker that is a fact not in dispute. These same over paid CEO's have missmanaged about every non union and union company they could get their hands on.

So badly the government had to bail out just about everyone yet the gross and unfair pay disparity is not a hot topic thanks to the corperate media.

When working people get a little money they spend it boosting the economy when the 1% have money they buy politicians and the media to tell you its all the non existant unions fault manufacturing has left this country.

Personaly though asides from greed it was environmental issues that caused alot of companies to leave. China is so polluted now its almost unfit to live in the industrial areas. Thats captalism at work.

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