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If you people want some so and so sitting behind a desk in Washington to run your lives for you that your business. Personally I don't. He doesnt run my life really. But he provides some motivation and support/opposition to the ones in congress that do. and he represents america/americans to the rest of the world,,,and global relations,,, not quite,,,, Osama bin laden,, gone Libya AId to israel ,,,,you get the drift though LOL ok what exactly did he do to get Osama? Nothing, it was stuff that was already in place and it was the military. Its like giving the CEO of some company the credit for what the Engineers designed. Or even more dramatic than that. excuse me, he GAVE THE ORDER,,,, an engineers design is not of much value if it is never USED,,,, and it shows that he has not just gone around 'apologizing'.... And who gave the order to start the search in the first place? He gave the order big deal. He just happened to be in office when the people doing the real work found him. Anyone in office would have done the same thing. ANYONE wasnt in office though...... kind of tough to just brush it off as he 'happened' to be in office when something turns out right but then put direct blame on him for other things that happen in his office perhaps the job losses you often attribute to him were also the result of people who were doing the 'real work',, and all he did was sign it because he happened to be in office when they came up with the solution? Nope as he specifically made the decision and was quoted saying he didn't need a new helicopter. That is a different story. He does have control over budget issues. He doesn't find intel and isn't a man on the ground during a war. show me where the constitution says the president has control over the budget? I fear you are mistaken the CONGRESS issues the budget, the president either signs it or doesnt kind of like signing off on a mission or not,,, |
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This Obama lovefest is quite touching.. Nothing like celebrating complete and total incompetence.. Enjoy it while you can, because he will get trounced in November.. I dont know if I would call appreciating kindness a 'celebration' but of all the things to choose to celebrate,, I dont feel so bad about it,,,, |
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If you people want some so and so sitting behind a desk in Washington to run your lives for you that your business. Personally I don't. He doesnt run my life really. But he provides some motivation and support/opposition to the ones in congress that do. and he represents america/americans to the rest of the world,,,and global relations,,, not quite,,,, Osama bin laden,, gone Libya AId to israel ,,,,you get the drift though LOL ok what exactly did he do to get Osama? Nothing, it was stuff that was already in place and it was the military. Its like giving the CEO of some company the credit for what the Engineers designed. Or even more dramatic than that. excuse me, he GAVE THE ORDER,,,, an engineers design is not of much value if it is never USED,,,, and it shows that he has not just gone around 'apologizing'.... And who gave the order to start the search in the first place? He gave the order big deal. He just happened to be in office when the people doing the real work found him. Anyone in office would have done the same thing. ANYONE wasnt in office though...... kind of tough to just brush it off as he 'happened' to be in office when something turns out right but then put direct blame on him for other things that happen in his office perhaps the job losses you often attribute to him were also the result of people who were doing the 'real work',, and all he did was sign it because he happened to be in office when they came up with the solution? Nope as he specifically made the decision and was quoted saying he didn't need a new helicopter. That is a different story. He does have control over budget issues. He doesn't find intel and isn't a man on the ground during a war. show me where the constitution says the president has control over the budget? I fear you are mistaken the CONGRESS issues the budget, the president either signs it or doesnt kind of like signing off on a mission or not,,, President submits the budget to Congress... Congress approves it or sends it back. 'Federal' Government is a part of the Executive Branch... (president appoints cabinet heads and such... They submit needs to him... He submits the compiled budget to Congress) |
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Edited by
msharmony
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Sat 03/24/12 05:10 PM
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not quite that simple though
the government is responsible but the congress has the largest part of the process,,, steps to a budget 1.president submits budget PROPOSAL 2. congress uses budget RESOLUTION which consists of a. Discretionary spending (1/3 of budget , must be provided for each year ) b. Mandatory spnding (2/3 of budget, MAY be changed but based upon EXISTING AND STANDING law) 3. congress passes budget resolution and then 4.congress passes 13 annual appropriations bills which authorize changes to mandatory spending 5.dozens of committes and subcommittes work with congress to ACCEPT or REJECT the presidents proposals BASED upon congress' budget resolution http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BUDGET-2002-CITIZENSGUIDE/pdf/BUDGET-2002-CITIZENSGUIDE.pdf Now if thats not a case of LOTS of others doing the 'work' for him to sign off on,, I dont know what is ,, In contrast, lets review the decision to go in after Osama as far as what other presidents would have done,, thats pretty presumptious and could als be claimed of ANYTHING this president has done whether we agree with it or not as to state of mind,,,at some point Bin Laden stopped being a priority to GW Bush but that point didnt seem to come under OBama,,,, just saying,,, To hold the president solely or even primarily responsible for his signature on some things, while dismissing as irrelevant his signature on other things (especially pertaining to the budget process which involves HUNDREDS of people) is intellectually dishonest |
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Edited by
Sojourning_Soul
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Sun 03/25/12 04:09 PM
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With his new "martial law" exec order he will declare it in Oct and there won't be an election.....
Welcome to the new world order under the dictatorship of an American hating, muslim, puppet dictator, and the rule of the IMF world bank! Under his other new exec orders, protest, you disapear, or are assassinated as a terrorist! Yep, one hell of a great president and representative of "we the people"! Bet ole Dick Cheney's heart attack was out of envy for such power! |
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Edited by
Sojourning_Soul
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Sun 03/25/12 05:39 PM
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Honestly MsH...... you see nothing fearful in the actions he's been taking? Really? He can destroy our constitution, take away our rights, remove our liberties, even assassinate us.... and you can say it's all ok because it only affects terrorists? 
A law is a law once it is on the books, the definition of that law, as most, are subject to interpretation of the user.... enforcement personnel..... the possibility of abusive consequence is unquestionable! THAT HAS BEEN SHOWN AND PROVEN MANY TIMES! How can you dare laugh at the implications of them and say/think it's ok? Such thinking is EXACTLY why we are in the state of fear that allows these destructions of our rights to occur! Passive, programmed thinking! |
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Edited by
msharmony
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Honestly MsH...... you see no nothing fearful in the actions he's been taking? Really? He can destroy our constitution, take away our rights, remove our liberties, even assassinate us.... and you can say it's all ok because it only affects terrorists?
A law is a law once it is on the books, the definition of that law, as most, are subject to interpretation of the user.... enforcement personnel..... the possibility of abusive consequence is unquestionable! THAT HAS BEEN SHOWN AND PROVEN MANY TIMES! How can you dare laugh at the implications of them and say/think it's ok? plenty before him COULD HAVE also it wouldnt just affect terrorists, it would affect the world his own children would have to live in, something he seems to take pretty seriously Im laughing at the constant 'worst case scenario' tactics used by media to try to reinforce political campaigns,,,, and the way they are worded to suggest it is actually the intent of the president,,,, cite me five random laws or executive orders, and I can pick out a worst case possibility to,, the probability however is another story |
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Honestly MsH...... you see no nothing fearful in the actions he's been taking? Really? He can destroy our constitution, take away our rights, remove our liberties, even assassinate us.... and you can say it's all ok because it only affects terrorists?
A law is a law once it is on the books, the definition of that law, as most, are subject to interpretation of the user.... enforcement personnel..... the possibility of abusive consequence is unquestionable! THAT HAS BEEN SHOWN AND PROVEN MANY TIMES! How can you dare laugh at the implications of them and say/think it's ok? plenty before him COULD HAVE also it wouldnt just affect terrorists, it would affect the world his own children would have to live in, something he seems to take pretty seriously Im laughing at the constant 'worst case scenario' tactics used by media to try to reinforce political campaigns,,,, and the way they are worded to suggest it is actually the intent of the president,,,, cite me five random laws or executive orders, and I can pick out a worst case possibility to,, the probability however is another story The ignorance is believing it will not be abused or misused! This is NOT the belief, the American constitution I fought to defend! It is being degraded by individuals to passive, uncaring, to give a shite! So what if another right is stolen, another freedom is taken..... when people must die to reclaim them for you, I hope you are thankful, and don't treat them as people did us Viet Nam Vets.....which is happening, and probably why we vets see it clearer than the general populas! |
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Honestly MsH...... you see no nothing fearful in the actions he's been taking? Really? He can destroy our constitution, take away our rights, remove our liberties, even assassinate us.... and you can say it's all ok because it only affects terrorists?
A law is a law once it is on the books, the definition of that law, as most, are subject to interpretation of the user.... enforcement personnel..... the possibility of abusive consequence is unquestionable! THAT HAS BEEN SHOWN AND PROVEN MANY TIMES! How can you dare laugh at the implications of them and say/think it's ok? plenty before him COULD HAVE also it wouldnt just affect terrorists, it would affect the world his own children would have to live in, something he seems to take pretty seriously Im laughing at the constant 'worst case scenario' tactics used by media to try to reinforce political campaigns,,,, and the way they are worded to suggest it is actually the intent of the president,,,, cite me five random laws or executive orders, and I can pick out a worst case possibility to,, the probability however is another story The ignorance is believing it will not be abused or misused! This is NOT the belief, the American constitution I fought to defend! It is being degraded by individuals to passive, uncaring, to give a shite! So what if another right is stolen, another freedom is taken..... when people must die to reclaim them for you, I hope you are thankful, and don't treat them as people did us Viet Nam Vets.....which is happening, and probably why we vets see it clearer than the general populas! the patriot card need not be used I have a brother who was and still IS actively engaged in 'protecting' the rights of this country , a fairly bright man, who doesnt seem to be feeling this same paranoia either so its not about whether someone was or is in the service, its a matter of personal perspective and opinion mine is that its nothing singularly unique or dangerous, yours is that it is,,,, and so goes the mingle threads ,,everday,,, 
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Honestly MsH...... you see no nothing fearful in the actions he's been taking? Really? He can destroy our constitution, take away our rights, remove our liberties, even assassinate us.... and you can say it's all ok because it only affects terrorists?
A law is a law once it is on the books, the definition of that law, as most, are subject to interpretation of the user.... enforcement personnel..... the possibility of abusive consequence is unquestionable! THAT HAS BEEN SHOWN AND PROVEN MANY TIMES! How can you dare laugh at the implications of them and say/think it's ok? plenty before him COULD HAVE also it wouldnt just affect terrorists, it would affect the world his own children would have to live in, something he seems to take pretty seriously Im laughing at the constant 'worst case scenario' tactics used by media to try to reinforce political campaigns,,,, and the way they are worded to suggest it is actually the intent of the president,,,, cite me five random laws or executive orders, and I can pick out a worst case possibility to,, the probability however is another story The ignorance is believing it will not be abused or misused! This is NOT the belief, the American constitution I fought to defend! It is being degraded by individuals to passive, uncaring, to give a shite! So what if another right is stolen, another freedom is taken..... when people must die to reclaim them for you, I hope you are thankful, and don't treat them as people did us Viet Nam Vets.....which is happening, and probably why we vets see it clearer than the general populas! the patriot card need not be used I have a brother who was and still IS actively engaged in 'protecting' the rights of this country , a fairly bright man, who doesnt seem to be feeling this same paranoia either so its not about whether someone was or is in the service, its a matter of personal perspective and opinion mine is that its nothing singularly unique or dangerous, yours is that it is,,,, and so goes the mingle threads ,,everday,,,
So shite on the constitution and rights to freedom that MOST vets fought to defend because you know or are related to someone who served..... that makes it ok, and if I AS A VETERAN say differently, my point is invalid because you know better? ANY DEBASEMENT OF THE CONSTITUTION, THE BILL OF RIGHTS, PERSONAL FREEDOM AND LIBERTY IS IN VIOLATION OF MY BELIEF AND WHAT I OFFERED MY LIFE TO DEFEND! But because you don't care about anothers sacrifice to a belief, it's simply business as usual..... and ok... Sorry, I'll fight to get them back for you when you lose them. After all, I'm only a useless former Marine with one opinion that NO right should be violated, not even yours! |
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Edited by
msharmony
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Sun 03/25/12 06:07 PM
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Honestly MsH...... you see no nothing fearful in the actions he's been taking? Really? He can destroy our constitution, take away our rights, remove our liberties, even assassinate us.... and you can say it's all ok because it only affects terrorists?
A law is a law once it is on the books, the definition of that law, as most, are subject to interpretation of the user.... enforcement personnel..... the possibility of abusive consequence is unquestionable! THAT HAS BEEN SHOWN AND PROVEN MANY TIMES! How can you dare laugh at the implications of them and say/think it's ok? plenty before him COULD HAVE also it wouldnt just affect terrorists, it would affect the world his own children would have to live in, something he seems to take pretty seriously Im laughing at the constant 'worst case scenario' tactics used by media to try to reinforce political campaigns,,,, and the way they are worded to suggest it is actually the intent of the president,,,, cite me five random laws or executive orders, and I can pick out a worst case possibility to,, the probability however is another story The ignorance is believing it will not be abused or misused! This is NOT the belief, the American constitution I fought to defend! It is being degraded by individuals to passive, uncaring, to give a shite! So what if another right is stolen, another freedom is taken..... when people must die to reclaim them for you, I hope you are thankful, and don't treat them as people did us Viet Nam Vets.....which is happening, and probably why we vets see it clearer than the general populas! the patriot card need not be used I have a brother who was and still IS actively engaged in 'protecting' the rights of this country , a fairly bright man, who doesnt seem to be feeling this same paranoia either so its not about whether someone was or is in the service, its a matter of personal perspective and opinion mine is that its nothing singularly unique or dangerous, yours is that it is,,,, and so goes the mingle threads ,,everday,,,
So shite on the constitution and rights to freedom that MOST vets fought to defend because you know or are related to someone who served..... that makes it ok, and if I AS A VETERAN say differently, my point is invalid because you know better? ANY DEBASEMENT OF THE CONSTITUTION, THE BILL OF RIGHTS, PERSONAL FREEDOM AND LIBERTY IS IN VIOLATION OF MY BELIEF AND WHAT I OFFERED MY LIFE TO DEFEND! But because you don't care about anothers sacrifice to a belief, it's simply business as usual..... and ok... Sorry, I'll fight to get them back for you when you lose them. After all, I'm only a useless former Marine with one opinion that NO right should be violated, not even yours! my point is, my brothers opinion is no less valid than yours since you are both 'vets' and my brothers opinion is in line with mine, which means mine is no less valid either what you are fighting to get 'back' is something we havent had since 1950 when such precautionary laws were first IMPLEMENTED but if takes 62 years to feel panicked about it,, to each their own six decades seems pretty solid time for me not to sense an urgency that its likely to be 'misused' not every vet agrees with each other, and it seems mighty devisive to attack the freedom of people to disagree by claiming how empassioned you are BECAUSE you fought for that freedom noone is under obligation to agree with someone because they have served,, thats my point it doesnt make the vets opinion valid nor invalid anymore than it does the non vet and it doesnt mean anything about whether people 'care' about what someone else fought for, because at some point in time, people have fought for and against just about everything and made sacrifices for their personal beliefs |
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Because gov't has never been so corrupt as it is now! Everything has come out of the closet since journalism became propaganda. Now they just say "we don't care" on TV and the people go "duh.....ok" We're phucked unless people start giving a shite about their rights! The gov't is supposed to serve the people, NOT the reverse! |
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Edited by
Sojourning_Soul
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Sun 03/25/12 06:35 PM
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Your blessed OweBummer is a train wreck about to happen, the media is the conductor saying everything is OK, but the truth is..... the bridge is out, and we're heading for it at full throttle!
Think "Titanic"! |
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Because gov't has never been so corrupt as it is now! Everything has come out of the closet since journalism became propaganda. Now they just say "we don't care" on TV and the people go "duh.....ok" We're phucked unless people start giving a shite about their rights! The gov't is supposed to serve the people, NOT the reverse! people can care without panicking and picking scapegoats |
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Edited by
msharmony
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Sun 03/25/12 06:34 PM
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Your blessed OweBummer is a train wreck about to happen, the media is the conductor saying everything is OK, but the truth is..... the bridge is out, and we're heading for it at full throttle! I guess thats a perception that cant be proven or disproven, as it has no absolute value of any kind ,,,,did we just slowly pull out of the station one year,,what year was it,, what validates that it was a 'slow' pull what validates that we are NOW, under this SPECIFIC leadership at a 'full throttel? at what point during the train ride was someone obligated to stop the train, and who was that person? why is this person more obligated than those over the past six decades? |
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Your blessed OweBummer is a train wreck about to happen, the media is the conductor saying everything is OK, but the truth is..... the bridge is out, and we're heading for it at full throttle! I guess thats a perception that cant be proven or disproven, as it has no absolute value of any kind ,,,,did we just slowly pull out of the station one year,,what year was it,, what validates that it was a 'slow' pull what validates that we are NOW, under this SPECIFIC leadership at a 'full throttel? at what point during the train ride was someone obligated to stop the train, and who was that person? why is this person more obligated than those over the past six decades? Yeah, I guess it's ok to assassinate Americans, take away their rights, destroy the constitution.....it all means NOTHING! |
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Your blessed OweBummer is a train wreck about to happen, the media is the conductor saying everything is OK, but the truth is..... the bridge is out, and we're heading for it at full throttle! I guess thats a perception that cant be proven or disproven, as it has no absolute value of any kind ,,,,did we just slowly pull out of the station one year,,what year was it,, what validates that it was a 'slow' pull what validates that we are NOW, under this SPECIFIC leadership at a 'full throttel? at what point during the train ride was someone obligated to stop the train, and who was that person? why is this person more obligated than those over the past six decades? Yeah, I guess it's ok to assassinate Americans, take away their rights, destroy the constitution.....it all means NOTHING! none of that is relevant to anything I said really,,,, but you have the right to your passions as do every other citizen,, veteran or not,,, |
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The very THOUGHT of such tolerance of these actions slaps EVERY service person, evry TRUE patriot, in the face for believing their oath to defend the constitution and the rights of the people mean anything! The mere thought is dishonorable and treasonous in my book! |
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Edited by
msharmony
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Sun 03/25/12 06:51 PM
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The very THOUGHT of such tolerance of these actions slaps EVERY service person, evry TRUE patriot, in the face for believing their oath to defend the constitution and the rights of the people mean anything! The mere thought is dishonorable and treasonous in my book! that is of course your opinion, which you AND my brother (who would disagree about how intolerable this action is) fought for all of us to have I personally find it odd that someone so passionate about the rights they fought for being a fan of 'thought' policing but in any case, thank you, I will continue to express the opinion that not just you fought for me to be able to express |
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