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Topic: Can an honest person not know what a lie is?
creativesoul Joined Mon 04/16/07 Posts: 9166	Tue 04/03/12 04:37 PM
Make an argument.

creativesoul Joined Mon 04/16/07 Posts: 9166	Tue 04/03/12 04:39 PM
Or better yet, salvage your own argument that has just been proven to be based upon very dubious presuppositions. I mean, really. What are you trying to say?

creativesoul Joined Mon 04/16/07 Posts: 9166	Tue 04/03/12 04:41 PM
Noone is interested in being proven to be mistaken, that's why you want me to leave. I am. Show it or shut up. That's all I'm saying.

Peter_Pan69 Joined Sun 08/23/09 Posts: 2781	Tue 04/03/12 04:42 PM
Make an argument. I say that your "literal" interpretation is silly and misleading. I also say that you wrongfully assign your nonsense to my position. Your whole argument has been based on your misrepresentation of my words as well as the definition of "literal". I also claim that you refuse to engage in meaningful dialog by your refusal to answer my questions when I have answered yours.

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Tue 04/03/12 04:47 PM
This thread is ridiculous.

creativesoul Joined Mon 04/16/07 Posts: 9166	Tue 04/03/12 04:49 PM
I just went back through the last several pages and counted 34 responses that you gave, and there's not a single argument nor counterargument in any one of them, including the one you just gave. I did not stop at an argument either, so who knows how far back I could've gone.

Peter_Pan69 Joined Sun 08/23/09 Posts: 2781	Tue 04/03/12 04:51 PM
Skeered...

creativesoul Joined Mon 04/16/07 Posts: 9166	Tue 04/03/12 04:52 PM
This thread is ridiculous. What do you think of the assessment I gave? I'd be interested in your view.

Peter_Pan69 Joined Sun 08/23/09 Posts: 2781	Tue 04/03/12 04:54 PM
jeanniebean wrote on 3-29 I have to agree with Peter in that if a person is totally literal and totally logical (like a robot) they might truthfully answer-- "No, you are in here too." True, that most humans have the ability to assume that the speaker is not including himself, but a robot looking at the situation as it is (literally) would have to include the speaker. Q: "Are you alone?" A: "Not any more." Q: "Are you alone?" A: "I was until you got here." Q: Are you alone?" A: Not counting you and the mouse in my pocket, yes, I'm alone."

creativesoul Joined Mon 04/16/07 Posts: 9166	Tue 04/03/12 04:55 PM
I say that your "literal" interpretation is silly and misleading. I also say that you wrongfully assign your nonsense to my position. Then make sense of your claims... Offer an argument which shows how "no" SHOULD BE Joe's honest answer. I've effectively shown how that requires Joe to believe that Jill expects him to count her. Your argument depends upon Joe counting Jill.

creativesoul Joined Mon 04/16/07 Posts: 9166	Tue 04/03/12 05:03 PM
Jb, What do you think about the assessment at the bottom of this post? -- Joe is in one room of a house. Jill comes in and asks Joe if he's the only one there. Unbeknownst to Joe, Mary is in the other room. Joe answers "yes". Is Joe lying? Pan: Joe was most certainly lying. He did lie if you take the question and his knowledge literally. Joe Knew Jill was also in the room as he responded to her question. I say that an answer of "no, of course not" should be Joe's honest answer. Jill was literally asking Joe if he was isolated from others. The above claims rest upon a couple of very dubious presuppositions. 1. In order for it to be true that "Joe was most certainly* lying", then Joe would have to believe that Jill was asking him to count her when she asked him if he was the only one there. In fact, we would have to know that Joe believed that in order to be certain. 2. Saying that "an answer of 'no, of course not' should be Joe's honest answer"* is to say that Joe should believe that Jill was asking him to count her when she asked him if he was the only one there.

Peter_Pan69 Joined Sun 08/23/09 Posts: 2781	Tue 04/03/12 05:03 PM
I say that your "literal" interpretation is silly and misleading. I also say that you wrongfully assign your nonsense to my position. Then make sense of your claims... Offer an argument which shows how "no" SHOULD BE Joe's honest answer. I've effectively shown how that requires Joe to believe that Jill expects him to count her. Your argument depends upon Joe counting Jill. The problem is not me, it's YOU. My claims make sense to anyone who knows the definition of literal. They are there for anyone to read. I can't fix your confusion... Offer an argument for why "Are you alone?" would mean "Are you alone or am I here too?" It's time for you to offer an explanation for your ignorance of language skills. Feel free to hide behind rhetorical BS, but I know you can't answer my direct questions without making your position look arbitrary and silly.

creativesoul Joined Mon 04/16/07 Posts: 9166	Tue 04/03/12 05:05 PM
Your argument depends upon Joe counting Jill. Are you saying that in order for Joe to answer Jill's question honestly that he SHOULD BE counting Jill?

Peter_Pan69 Joined Sun 08/23/09 Posts: 2781	Tue 04/03/12 05:08 PM
Your argument depends upon Joe counting Jill. Are you saying that in order for Joe to answer Jill's question honestly that he SHOULD BE counting Jill? Feel free to hide behind rhetorical BS, but I know you can't answer my direct questions without making your position look arbitrary and silly.

creativesoul Joined Mon 04/16/07 Posts: 9166	Tue 04/03/12 05:11 PM
Can anyone say "projection"? Make an argument for your position Pan.

Peter_Pan69 Joined Sun 08/23/09 Posts: 2781	Tue 04/03/12 05:13 PM
Can anyone say "projection"? Make an argument for your position Pan. LOL! how blind are you? My argument has been made. You keep trying to pin your delusions to them. Can you say deflection and denial?

creativesoul Joined Mon 04/16/07 Posts: 9166	Tue 04/03/12 05:13 PM
Where did you make an argument?

Peter_Pan69 Joined Sun 08/23/09 Posts: 2781	Tue 04/03/12 05:14 PM
lol, what predictability!

creativesoul Joined Mon 04/16/07 Posts: 9166	Tue 04/03/12 05:18 PM
1. In order for it to be true that "Joe was most certainly lying", then Joe would have to believe that Jill was asking him to count her when she asked him if he was the only one there. In fact, we would have to know that Joe believed that in order to be certain. 2. Saying that "an answer of 'no, of course not' should be Joe's honest answer" is to say that Joe should believe that Jill was asking him to count her when she asked him if he was the only one there. What are you disagreeing with, and why?

Peter_Pan69 Joined Sun 08/23/09 Posts: 2781	Tue 04/03/12 05:19 PM
Deflection... Answer my question first...