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mightymoe Joined Sun 11/19/06 Posts: 37362	Fri 03/16/12 07:10 PM
#1 Median household income in the United States is down 7.8 percent since December 2007 after adjusting for inflation. #2 There are 5.6 million less jobs than there were when the last recession began back in late 2007. #3 The U.S. government says that the number of Americans “not in the labor force” rose by 17.9 million between 2000 and 2011. During the entire decade of the 1980s, the number of Americans “not in the labor force” rose by only 1.7 million. #4 In 2007, the unemployment rate for the 20 to 29 age bracket was about 6.5 percent. Today, the unemployment rate for that same age group is about 13 percent. #5 In 2007, 73.2 percent of all young adults between the ages of 18 and 24 that were not enrolled in school had jobs. Today, that number has declined to 65 percent. #6 Back in the year 2000, more than 50 percent of all Americans teens had a job. This past summer, only 29.6% of all American teens had a job. #7 When Barack Obama entered the White House, the number of “long-term unemployed workers” in the United States was approximately 2.6 million. Today, that number is sitting at 5.6 million. #8 The average duration of unemployment in the United States is nearly three times as long as it was back in the year 2000. #9 Back in 1950, more than 80 percent of all men in the United States had jobs. Today, less than 65 percent of all men in the United States have jobs. #10 According to the Obama administration, about 20 percent of all jobs in the United States were manufacturing jobs back in the year 2000. Today, about 5 percent of all jobs in the United States are manufacturing jobs. #11 Sadly, more than 56,000 manufacturing facilities in the United States have been shut down since 2001. #12 Back in 1980, less than 30% of all jobs in the United States were low income jobs. Today, more than 40% of all jobs in the United States are low income jobs. #13 The U.S. trade deficit with China during 2011 was 28 times larger than it was back in 1990. #14 About twice as many new homes were sold in the United States in 1965 as are being sold today. #15 Home prices in the 4th quarter of 2011 were four percent lower than they were during the 4th quarter of 2010. Overall, U.S. home prices are 34 percent lower than they were back at the peak of the housing bubble. #16 The total value of household real estate in America has declined from $22.7 trillion in 2006 to $16.2 trillion today. #17 At the end of 2011, 22.8 percent of all homes in the United States with a mortgage were in negative equity. That would have been unthinkable a decade or two ago. #18 Total home mortgage debt in the United States is now about 5 times larger than it was just 20 years ago. #19 Total consumer debt in the United States has increased by a whopping 1700% since 1971. #20 Since the beginning of 2009, the average price of a gallon of gasoline in the United States has increased by more than 90 percent. #21 The number of children living in poverty in the state of California has increased by 30 percent since 2007. #22 Back in the year 2000, 11.3% of all Americans were living in poverty. Today, 15.1% of all Americans are living in poverty. #23 In November 2008, 30.8 million Americans were on food stamps. Today, 46.5 million Americans are on food stamps. #24 The U.S. dollar has lost 96.2 percent of its value since 1900. You can thank the Federal Reserve system for that. #25 In 1950, the United States was #1 in GDP per capita. Today, the United States is #13 in GDP per capita. #26 According to the U.S. Census Bureau, 49 percent of all Americans live in a home that receives direct monetary benefits from the federal government. Back in 1983, less than a third of all Americans lived in a home that received direct monetary benefits from the federal government. #27 In 1980, government transfer payments accounted for just 11.7% of all income. Today, government transfer payments account for more than 18 percent of all income. #28 Federal housing assistance increased by a whopping 42 percent between 2006 and 2010. #29 Medicare spending increased by 138 percent between 1999 and 2010. #30 Back in 1990, the federal government accounted for 32 percent of all health care spending in America. Today, that figure is up to 45 percent and it is projected to surpass 50 percent very shortly. #31 Back in 1965, only one out of every 50 Americans was on Medicaid. Today, one out of every 6 Americans is on Medicaid, and things are about to get a whole lot worse. It is being projected that Obamacare will add 16 million more Americans to the Medicaid rolls. #32 Right now, spending by the federal government accounts for about 24 percent of GDP. Back in 2001, it accounted for just 18 percent. #33 In 2004, the U.S. government had a budget deficit of a little over 412 billion dollars. This year, the U.S. government will run a budget deficit of over 1.3 trillion dollars. #34 In 2001, the U.S. national debt was less than 6 trillion dollars. Today, it is over 15 trillion dollars and it is increasing by about 150 million dollars every single hour. #35 The U.S. national debt is now more than 22 times larger than it was when Jimmy Carter became president.

JERMANICUS Joined Sat 01/28/12 Posts: 597	Fri 03/16/12 09:26 PM
Bitching and moaning about it makes things so much better.

AndyBgood Joined Thu 12/25/08 Posts: 12437	Fri 03/16/12 10:58 PM
But the facts apply so damn well. The whole situation is manipulated to make it seem like Democrats have our backs when they don't. Worst is when you add all the foreign immigrants they boatload in to supply voters who readily want the free hand outs to continue. just the offensive spending socially (Welfare, look up welfare for foreign immigrants some time. The facts there are appalling! We need to ***** enough to pressure the die hard democrats and republicans to quit voting along party lines and allowing these people to sell us out for their profits. GDP, Gross Domestic Product is measured by the flow of money only. Not by real tangible trade in REAL goods. Money wise the banks are doing GREAT providing they are not deeply audited and god forbid the Federal Reserve should be audited!!! Likewise the real facts and figures are manipulated to not let us see what America is really in. This is NOT a recession. This is the 1930's all over again and Obama is creaming us with his version of the New Deal. Oh the price we will have to pay for that one!

mightymoe Joined Sun 11/19/06 Posts: 37362	Sat 03/17/12 12:03 AM
Bitching and moaning about it makes things so much better. and what are you doing besides bitching and moaning at me?

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Sat 03/17/12 12:13 AM
#1 Median household income in the United States is down 7.8 percent since December 2007 after adjusting for inflation. #2 There are 5.6 million less jobs than there were when the last recession began back in late 2007. #3 The U.S. government says that the number of Americans “not in the labor force” rose by 17.9 million between 2000 and 2011. During the entire decade of the 1980s, the number of Americans “not in the labor force” rose by only 1.7 million. #4 In 2007, the unemployment rate for the 20 to 29 age bracket was about 6.5 percent. Today, the unemployment rate for that same age group is about 13 percent. #5 In 2007, 73.2 percent of all young adults between the ages of 18 and 24 that were not enrolled in school had jobs. Today, that number has declined to 65 percent. #6 Back in the year 2000, more than 50 percent of all Americans teens had a job. This past summer, only 29.6% of all American teens had a job. #7 When Barack Obama entered the White House, the number of “long-term unemployed workers” in the United States was approximately 2.6 million. Today, that number is sitting at 5.6 million. #8 The average duration of unemployment in the United States is nearly three times as long as it was back in the year 2000. #9 Back in 1950, more than 80 percent of all men in the United States had jobs. Today, less than 65 percent of all men in the United States have jobs. #10 According to the Obama administration, about 20 percent of all jobs in the United States were manufacturing jobs back in the year 2000. Today, about 5 percent of all jobs in the United States are manufacturing jobs. #11 Sadly, more than 56,000 manufacturing facilities in the United States have been shut down since 2001. #12 Back in 1980, less than 30% of all jobs in the United States were low income jobs. Today, more than 40% of all jobs in the United States are low income jobs. #13 The U.S. trade deficit with China during 2011 was 28 times larger than it was back in 1990. #14 About twice as many new homes were sold in the United States in 1965 as are being sold today. #15 Home prices in the 4th quarter of 2011 were four percent lower than they were during the 4th quarter of 2010. Overall, U.S. home prices are 34 percent lower than they were back at the peak of the housing bubble. #16 The total value of household real estate in America has declined from $22.7 trillion in 2006 to $16.2 trillion today. #17 At the end of 2011, 22.8 percent of all homes in the United States with a mortgage were in negative equity. That would have been unthinkable a decade or two ago. #18 Total home mortgage debt in the United States is now about 5 times larger than it was just 20 years ago. #19 Total consumer debt in the United States has increased by a whopping 1700% since 1971. #20 Since the beginning of 2009, the average price of a gallon of gasoline in the United States has increased by more than 90 percent. #21 The number of children living in poverty in the state of California has increased by 30 percent since 2007. #22 Back in the year 2000, 11.3% of all Americans were living in poverty. Today, 15.1% of all Americans are living in poverty. #23 In November 2008, 30.8 million Americans were on food stamps. Today, 46.5 million Americans are on food stamps. #24 The U.S. dollar has lost 96.2 percent of its value since 1900. You can thank the Federal Reserve system for that. #25 In 1950, the United States was #1 in GDP per capita. Today, the United States is #13 in GDP per capita. #26 According to the U.S. Census Bureau, 49 percent of all Americans live in a home that receives direct monetary benefits from the federal government. Back in 1983, less than a third of all Americans lived in a home that received direct monetary benefits from the federal government. #27 In 1980, government transfer payments accounted for just 11.7% of all income. Today, government transfer payments account for more than 18 percent of all income. #28 Federal housing assistance increased by a whopping 42 percent between 2006 and 2010. #29 Medicare spending increased by 138 percent between 1999 and 2010. #30 Back in 1990, the federal government accounted for 32 percent of all health care spending in America. Today, that figure is up to 45 percent and it is projected to surpass 50 percent very shortly. #31 Back in 1965, only one out of every 50 Americans was on Medicaid. Today, one out of every 6 Americans is on Medicaid, and things are about to get a whole lot worse. It is being projected that Obamacare will add 16 million more Americans to the Medicaid rolls. #32 Right now, spending by the federal government accounts for about 24 percent of GDP. Back in 2001, it accounted for just 18 percent. #33 In 2004, the U.S. government had a budget deficit of a little over 412 billion dollars. This year, the U.S. government will run a budget deficit of over 1.3 trillion dollars. #34 In 2001, the U.S. national debt was less than 6 trillion dollars. Today, it is over 15 trillion dollars and it is increasing by about 150 million dollars every single hour. #35 The U.S. national debt is now more than 22 times larger than it was when Jimmy Carter became president. things go up and down, it really depends on what range of years people choose to compare for instance I may have made 60000 in 2000 40000 in 2005 and make 50000 now,,, in 2012 i could compare now to the year 2000 and say its gotten worse, but I could compare it to 2005 and say its gotten better,,,

mightymoe Joined Sun 11/19/06 Posts: 37362	Sat 03/17/12 12:22 AM
#1 Median household income in the United States is down 7.8 percent since December 2007 after adjusting for inflation. #2 There are 5.6 million less jobs than there were when the last recession began back in late 2007. #3 The U.S. government says that the number of Americans “not in the labor force” rose by 17.9 million between 2000 and 2011. During the entire decade of the 1980s, the number of Americans “not in the labor force” rose by only 1.7 million. #4 In 2007, the unemployment rate for the 20 to 29 age bracket was about 6.5 percent. Today, the unemployment rate for that same age group is about 13 percent. #5 In 2007, 73.2 percent of all young adults between the ages of 18 and 24 that were not enrolled in school had jobs. Today, that number has declined to 65 percent. #6 Back in the year 2000, more than 50 percent of all Americans teens had a job. This past summer, only 29.6% of all American teens had a job. #7 When Barack Obama entered the White House, the number of “long-term unemployed workers” in the United States was approximately 2.6 million. Today, that number is sitting at 5.6 million. #8 The average duration of unemployment in the United States is nearly three times as long as it was back in the year 2000. #9 Back in 1950, more than 80 percent of all men in the United States had jobs. Today, less than 65 percent of all men in the United States have jobs. #10 According to the Obama administration, about 20 percent of all jobs in the United States were manufacturing jobs back in the year 2000. Today, about 5 percent of all jobs in the United States are manufacturing jobs. #11 Sadly, more than 56,000 manufacturing facilities in the United States have been shut down since 2001. #12 Back in 1980, less than 30% of all jobs in the United States were low income jobs. Today, more than 40% of all jobs in the United States are low income jobs. #13 The U.S. trade deficit with China during 2011 was 28 times larger than it was back in 1990. #14 About twice as many new homes were sold in the United States in 1965 as are being sold today. #15 Home prices in the 4th quarter of 2011 were four percent lower than they were during the 4th quarter of 2010. Overall, U.S. home prices are 34 percent lower than they were back at the peak of the housing bubble. #16 The total value of household real estate in America has declined from $22.7 trillion in 2006 to $16.2 trillion today. #17 At the end of 2011, 22.8 percent of all homes in the United States with a mortgage were in negative equity. That would have been unthinkable a decade or two ago. #18 Total home mortgage debt in the United States is now about 5 times larger than it was just 20 years ago. #19 Total consumer debt in the United States has increased by a whopping 1700% since 1971. #20 Since the beginning of 2009, the average price of a gallon of gasoline in the United States has increased by more than 90 percent. #21 The number of children living in poverty in the state of California has increased by 30 percent since 2007. #22 Back in the year 2000, 11.3% of all Americans were living in poverty. Today, 15.1% of all Americans are living in poverty. #23 In November 2008, 30.8 million Americans were on food stamps. Today, 46.5 million Americans are on food stamps. #24 The U.S. dollar has lost 96.2 percent of its value since 1900. You can thank the Federal Reserve system for that. #25 In 1950, the United States was #1 in GDP per capita. Today, the United States is #13 in GDP per capita. #26 According to the U.S. Census Bureau, 49 percent of all Americans live in a home that receives direct monetary benefits from the federal government. Back in 1983, less than a third of all Americans lived in a home that received direct monetary benefits from the federal government. #27 In 1980, government transfer payments accounted for just 11.7% of all income. Today, government transfer payments account for more than 18 percent of all income. #28 Federal housing assistance increased by a whopping 42 percent between 2006 and 2010. #29 Medicare spending increased by 138 percent between 1999 and 2010. #30 Back in 1990, the federal government accounted for 32 percent of all health care spending in America. Today, that figure is up to 45 percent and it is projected to surpass 50 percent very shortly. #31 Back in 1965, only one out of every 50 Americans was on Medicaid. Today, one out of every 6 Americans is on Medicaid, and things are about to get a whole lot worse. It is being projected that Obamacare will add 16 million more Americans to the Medicaid rolls. #32 Right now, spending by the federal government accounts for about 24 percent of GDP. Back in 2001, it accounted for just 18 percent. #33 In 2004, the U.S. government had a budget deficit of a little over 412 billion dollars. This year, the U.S. government will run a budget deficit of over 1.3 trillion dollars. #34 In 2001, the U.S. national debt was less than 6 trillion dollars. Today, it is over 15 trillion dollars and it is increasing by about 150 million dollars every single hour. #35 The U.S. national debt is now more than 22 times larger than it was when Jimmy Carter became president. things go up and down, it really depends on what range of years people choose to compare for instance I may have made 60000 in 2000 40000 in 2005 and make 50000 now,,, in 2012 i could compare now to the year 2000 and say its gotten worse, but I could compare it to 2005 and say its gotten better,,, it also depends on what crook is in the white house too...

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Sat 03/17/12 12:35 AM
#1 Median household income in the United States is down 7.8 percent since December 2007 after adjusting for inflation. #2 There are 5.6 million less jobs than there were when the last recession began back in late 2007. #3 The U.S. government says that the number of Americans “not in the labor force” rose by 17.9 million between 2000 and 2011. During the entire decade of the 1980s, the number of Americans “not in the labor force” rose by only 1.7 million. #4 In 2007, the unemployment rate for the 20 to 29 age bracket was about 6.5 percent. Today, the unemployment rate for that same age group is about 13 percent. #5 In 2007, 73.2 percent of all young adults between the ages of 18 and 24 that were not enrolled in school had jobs. Today, that number has declined to 65 percent. #6 Back in the year 2000, more than 50 percent of all Americans teens had a job. This past summer, only 29.6% of all American teens had a job. #7 When Barack Obama entered the White House, the number of “long-term unemployed workers” in the United States was approximately 2.6 million. Today, that number is sitting at 5.6 million. #8 The average duration of unemployment in the United States is nearly three times as long as it was back in the year 2000. #9 Back in 1950, more than 80 percent of all men in the United States had jobs. Today, less than 65 percent of all men in the United States have jobs. #10 According to the Obama administration, about 20 percent of all jobs in the United States were manufacturing jobs back in the year 2000. Today, about 5 percent of all jobs in the United States are manufacturing jobs. #11 Sadly, more than 56,000 manufacturing facilities in the United States have been shut down since 2001. #12 Back in 1980, less than 30% of all jobs in the United States were low income jobs. Today, more than 40% of all jobs in the United States are low income jobs. #13 The U.S. trade deficit with China during 2011 was 28 times larger than it was back in 1990. #14 About twice as many new homes were sold in the United States in 1965 as are being sold today. #15 Home prices in the 4th quarter of 2011 were four percent lower than they were during the 4th quarter of 2010. Overall, U.S. home prices are 34 percent lower than they were back at the peak of the housing bubble. #16 The total value of household real estate in America has declined from $22.7 trillion in 2006 to $16.2 trillion today. #17 At the end of 2011, 22.8 percent of all homes in the United States with a mortgage were in negative equity. That would have been unthinkable a decade or two ago. #18 Total home mortgage debt in the United States is now about 5 times larger than it was just 20 years ago. #19 Total consumer debt in the United States has increased by a whopping 1700% since 1971. #20 Since the beginning of 2009, the average price of a gallon of gasoline in the United States has increased by more than 90 percent. #21 The number of children living in poverty in the state of California has increased by 30 percent since 2007. #22 Back in the year 2000, 11.3% of all Americans were living in poverty. Today, 15.1% of all Americans are living in poverty. #23 In November 2008, 30.8 million Americans were on food stamps. Today, 46.5 million Americans are on food stamps. #24 The U.S. dollar has lost 96.2 percent of its value since 1900. You can thank the Federal Reserve system for that. #25 In 1950, the United States was #1 in GDP per capita. Today, the United States is #13 in GDP per capita. #26 According to the U.S. Census Bureau, 49 percent of all Americans live in a home that receives direct monetary benefits from the federal government. Back in 1983, less than a third of all Americans lived in a home that received direct monetary benefits from the federal government. #27 In 1980, government transfer payments accounted for just 11.7% of all income. Today, government transfer payments account for more than 18 percent of all income. #28 Federal housing assistance increased by a whopping 42 percent between 2006 and 2010. #29 Medicare spending increased by 138 percent between 1999 and 2010. #30 Back in 1990, the federal government accounted for 32 percent of all health care spending in America. Today, that figure is up to 45 percent and it is projected to surpass 50 percent very shortly. #31 Back in 1965, only one out of every 50 Americans was on Medicaid. Today, one out of every 6 Americans is on Medicaid, and things are about to get a whole lot worse. It is being projected that Obamacare will add 16 million more Americans to the Medicaid rolls. #32 Right now, spending by the federal government accounts for about 24 percent of GDP. Back in 2001, it accounted for just 18 percent. #33 In 2004, the U.S. government had a budget deficit of a little over 412 billion dollars. This year, the U.S. government will run a budget deficit of over 1.3 trillion dollars. #34 In 2001, the U.S. national debt was less than 6 trillion dollars. Today, it is over 15 trillion dollars and it is increasing by about 150 million dollars every single hour. #35 The U.S. national debt is now more than 22 times larger than it was when Jimmy Carter became president. things go up and down, it really depends on what range of years people choose to compare for instance I may have made 60000 in 2000 40000 in 2005 and make 50000 now,,, in 2012 i could compare now to the year 2000 and say its gotten worse, but I could compare it to 2005 and say its gotten better,,, it also depends on what crook is in the white house too... not so much matters more who is in congress...

Bestinshow Joined Mon 06/01/09 Posts: 5540	Sat 03/17/12 06:24 AM
personaly I think things are improveing was at Red Lobster last night place was packed. My Gf and I even had a conversation along the lines of that when we noticed how many people were out eating at the high end restaraunt. Granted many people are not doing well but many are. I suspect the riseing gas prices will dampen the recovery being a depression or recession will be the only chance the republicans have to haveing any political relevence. The oil industry has traditionly been republican dominated and you do not have to be a aluminum foil hat wearing conspiracy theorist to blame the right wing for the riseing gas prices. That and all the chickenhawk war talk over Iran. The biggest mistake anyone can make is to vote republican and then complain when the economy goes down the tubes after all we did cut taxes to stimulate the economy as prescribed by the neocons and those tax cuts remain largely in effect all we have are reduced services to those in need and a huge defecit. Lets be intelectualy honest for a change every time we elect republicans to office the rich get richer and the common folks get poorer and it takes a two term democrat to turn it around. obama isnt perfect but ya know what he is far better than the Mcain/Palin he ran against and he is far better than any of the clowns the republicans are running.

Seakolony Joined Fri 11/07/08 Posts: 11968	Sat 03/17/12 07:55 AM Edited by Seakolony on Sat 03/17/12 07:58 AM
personaly I think things are improveing was at Red Lobster last night place was packed. My Gf and I even had a conversation along the lines of that when we noticed how many people were out eating at the high end restaraunt. Granted many people are not doing well but many are. I suspect the riseing gas prices will dampen the recovery being a depression or recession will be the only chance the republicans have to haveing any political relevence. The oil industry has traditionly been republican dominated and you do not have to be a aluminum foil hat wearing conspiracy theorist to blame the right wing for the riseing gas prices. That and all the chickenhawk war talk over Iran. The biggest mistake anyone can make is to vote republican and then complain when the economy goes down the tubes after all we did cut taxes to stimulate the economy as prescribed by the neocons and those tax cuts remain largely in effect all we have are reduced services to those in need and a huge defecit. Lets be intelectualy honest for a change every time we elect republicans to office the rich get richer and the common folks get poorer and it takes a two term democrat to turn it around. obama isnt perfect but ya know what he is far better than the Mcain/Palin he ran against and he is far better than any of the clowns the republicans are running. Ummmm, Red Lobster is not a high end Restaurant......It is the McDonald's of Seafood actually!!! Obama is setting up another depression by instituting a healthcare plan paid for by the government right now sinking this country further into debt for the future.......every added socialistic program sets this country up for a bigger fall with the false economy bubble he is making right now!!!

mightymoe Joined Sun 11/19/06 Posts: 37362	Sat 03/17/12 02:41 PM
personaly I think things are improveing was at Red Lobster last night place was packed. My Gf and I even had a conversation along the lines of that when we noticed how many people were out eating at the high end restaraunt. Granted many people are not doing well but many are. I suspect the riseing gas prices will dampen the recovery being a depression or recession will be the only chance the republicans have to haveing any political relevence. The oil industry has traditionly been republican dominated and you do not have to be a aluminum foil hat wearing conspiracy theorist to blame the right wing for the riseing gas prices. That and all the chickenhawk war talk over Iran. The biggest mistake anyone can make is to vote republican and then complain when the economy goes down the tubes after all we did cut taxes to stimulate the economy as prescribed by the neocons and those tax cuts remain largely in effect all we have are reduced services to those in need and a huge defecit. Lets be intelectualy honest for a change every time we elect republicans to office the rich get richer and the common folks get poorer and it takes a two term democrat to turn it around. obama isnt perfect but ya know what he is far better than the Mcain/Palin he ran against and he is far better than any of the clowns the republicans are running. Ummmm, Red Lobster is not a high end Restaurant......It is the McDonald's of Seafood actually!!! Obama is setting up another depression by instituting a healthcare plan paid for by the government right now sinking this country further into debt for the future.......every added socialistic program sets this country up for a bigger fall with the false economy bubble he is making right now!!! yea, obamacare is designed to make everyone a hypochondriac, by giving everyone a free pass to go to the emergency room for colds and things of that nature. it will break the government, no matter what kind of price we have to pay.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Sat 03/17/12 03:33 PM
personaly I think things are improveing was at Red Lobster last night place was packed. My Gf and I even had a conversation along the lines of that when we noticed how many people were out eating at the high end restaraunt. Granted many people are not doing well but many are. I suspect the riseing gas prices will dampen the recovery being a depression or recession will be the only chance the republicans have to haveing any political relevence. The oil industry has traditionly been republican dominated and you do not have to be a aluminum foil hat wearing conspiracy theorist to blame the right wing for the riseing gas prices. That and all the chickenhawk war talk over Iran. The biggest mistake anyone can make is to vote republican and then complain when the economy goes down the tubes after all we did cut taxes to stimulate the economy as prescribed by the neocons and those tax cuts remain largely in effect all we have are reduced services to those in need and a huge defecit. Lets be intelectualy honest for a change every time we elect republicans to office the rich get richer and the common folks get poorer and it takes a two term democrat to turn it around. obama isnt perfect but ya know what he is far better than the Mcain/Palin he ran against and he is far better than any of the clowns the republicans are running. Ummmm, Red Lobster is not a high end Restaurant......It is the McDonald's of Seafood actually!!! Obama is setting up another depression by instituting a healthcare plan paid for by the government right now sinking this country further into debt for the future.......every added socialistic program sets this country up for a bigger fall with the false economy bubble he is making right now!!! yea, obamacare is designed to make everyone a hypochondriac, by giving everyone a free pass to go to the emergency room for colds and things of that nature. it will break the government, no matter what kind of price we have to pay. there will be no free pass people are already assured treatment in the emergency room and cant be turned away this bill doesnt change emergency room procedures, this bill ensures that the most EXTREME of circumstances doesnt keep people from care it doesnt do anything to increase or decrease the incidence of hypochondriacs who wish to see doctors for their symptoms,,,

mightymoe Joined Sun 11/19/06 Posts: 37362	Sat 03/17/12 03:36 PM
personaly I think things are improveing was at Red Lobster last night place was packed. My Gf and I even had a conversation along the lines of that when we noticed how many people were out eating at the high end restaraunt. Granted many people are not doing well but many are. I suspect the riseing gas prices will dampen the recovery being a depression or recession will be the only chance the republicans have to haveing any political relevence. The oil industry has traditionly been republican dominated and you do not have to be a aluminum foil hat wearing conspiracy theorist to blame the right wing for the riseing gas prices. That and all the chickenhawk war talk over Iran. The biggest mistake anyone can make is to vote republican and then complain when the economy goes down the tubes after all we did cut taxes to stimulate the economy as prescribed by the neocons and those tax cuts remain largely in effect all we have are reduced services to those in need and a huge defecit. Lets be intelectualy honest for a change every time we elect republicans to office the rich get richer and the common folks get poorer and it takes a two term democrat to turn it around. obama isnt perfect but ya know what he is far better than the Mcain/Palin he ran against and he is far better than any of the clowns the republicans are running. Ummmm, Red Lobster is not a high end Restaurant......It is the McDonald's of Seafood actually!!! Obama is setting up another depression by instituting a healthcare plan paid for by the government right now sinking this country further into debt for the future.......every added socialistic program sets this country up for a bigger fall with the false economy bubble he is making right now!!! yea, obamacare is designed to make everyone a hypochondriac, by giving everyone a free pass to go to the emergency room for colds and things of that nature. it will break the government, no matter what kind of price we have to pay. there will be no free pass people are already assured treatment in the emergency room and cant be turned away this bill doesnt change emergency room procedures, this bill ensures that the most EXTREME of circumstances doesnt keep people from care it doesnt do anything to increase or decrease the incidence of hypochondriacs who wish to see doctors for their symptoms,,, no, the difference is now the government pays the 1000-10000's of dollars the hospitals charge. multiply that by 250 million and what do you have?

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Sat 03/17/12 03:46 PM
personaly I think things are improveing was at Red Lobster last night place was packed. My Gf and I even had a conversation along the lines of that when we noticed how many people were out eating at the high end restaraunt. Granted many people are not doing well but many are. I suspect the riseing gas prices will dampen the recovery being a depression or recession will be the only chance the republicans have to haveing any political relevence. The oil industry has traditionly been republican dominated and you do not have to be a aluminum foil hat wearing conspiracy theorist to blame the right wing for the riseing gas prices. That and all the chickenhawk war talk over Iran. The biggest mistake anyone can make is to vote republican and then complain when the economy goes down the tubes after all we did cut taxes to stimulate the economy as prescribed by the neocons and those tax cuts remain largely in effect all we have are reduced services to those in need and a huge defecit. Lets be intelectualy honest for a change every time we elect republicans to office the rich get richer and the common folks get poorer and it takes a two term democrat to turn it around. obama isnt perfect but ya know what he is far better than the Mcain/Palin he ran against and he is far better than any of the clowns the republicans are running. Ummmm, Red Lobster is not a high end Restaurant......It is the McDonald's of Seafood actually!!! Obama is setting up another depression by instituting a healthcare plan paid for by the government right now sinking this country further into debt for the future.......every added socialistic program sets this country up for a bigger fall with the false economy bubble he is making right now!!! yea, obamacare is designed to make everyone a hypochondriac, by giving everyone a free pass to go to the emergency room for colds and things of that nature. it will break the government, no matter what kind of price we have to pay. there will be no free pass people are already assured treatment in the emergency room and cant be turned away this bill doesnt change emergency room procedures, this bill ensures that the most EXTREME of circumstances doesnt keep people from care it doesnt do anything to increase or decrease the incidence of hypochondriacs who wish to see doctors for their symptoms,,, no, the difference is now the government pays the 1000-10000's of dollars the hospitals charge. multiply that by 250 million and what do you have? wrong again, there are according to most estimates 50 million who dont have insurance now of those fifty million, some will opt to purchase insurance with the new bill, like so many opted to do when vehicle insurance became a mandate of those who are left, (unknown number, but less than 50 mill), there will be an exchange which offers insurance coverage, still from private insurers who will be able to offer lower rates because they would be in a larger 'risk pool' its not about the government paying for hundreds of millions of patients at all,,, its just about getting insurance for the uninsured,,,,and at more affordable rates for those who in the past couldnt afford it

mightymoe Joined Sun 11/19/06 Posts: 37362	Sat 03/17/12 04:22 PM
personaly I think things are improveing was at Red Lobster last night place was packed. My Gf and I even had a conversation along the lines of that when we noticed how many people were out eating at the high end restaraunt. Granted many people are not doing well but many are. I suspect the riseing gas prices will dampen the recovery being a depression or recession will be the only chance the republicans have to haveing any political relevence. The oil industry has traditionly been republican dominated and you do not have to be a aluminum foil hat wearing conspiracy theorist to blame the right wing for the riseing gas prices. That and all the chickenhawk war talk over Iran. The biggest mistake anyone can make is to vote republican and then complain when the economy goes down the tubes after all we did cut taxes to stimulate the economy as prescribed by the neocons and those tax cuts remain largely in effect all we have are reduced services to those in need and a huge defecit. Lets be intelectualy honest for a change every time we elect republicans to office the rich get richer and the common folks get poorer and it takes a two term democrat to turn it around. obama isnt perfect but ya know what he is far better than the Mcain/Palin he ran against and he is far better than any of the clowns the republicans are running. Ummmm, Red Lobster is not a high end Restaurant......It is the McDonald's of Seafood actually!!! Obama is setting up another depression by instituting a healthcare plan paid for by the government right now sinking this country further into debt for the future.......every added socialistic program sets this country up for a bigger fall with the false economy bubble he is making right now!!! yea, obamacare is designed to make everyone a hypochondriac, by giving everyone a free pass to go to the emergency room for colds and things of that nature. it will break the government, no matter what kind of price we have to pay. there will be no free pass people are already assured treatment in the emergency room and cant be turned away this bill doesnt change emergency room procedures, this bill ensures that the most EXTREME of circumstances doesnt keep people from care it doesnt do anything to increase or decrease the incidence of hypochondriacs who wish to see doctors for their symptoms,,, no, the difference is now the government pays the 1000-10000's of dollars the hospitals charge. multiply that by 250 million and what do you have? wrong again, there are according to most estimates 50 million who dont have insurance now of those fifty million, some will opt to purchase insurance with the new bill, like so many opted to do when vehicle insurance became a mandate of those who are left, (unknown number, but less than 50 mill), there will be an exchange which offers insurance coverage, still from private insurers who will be able to offer lower rates because they would be in a larger 'risk pool' its not about the government paying for hundreds of millions of patients at all,,, its just about getting insurance for the uninsured,,,,and at more affordable rates for those who in the past couldnt afford it no, thats not what it's about, it's about money, and nothing else. i know you can't understand that, because you are an obama cheerleader, but he and congress are not doing anything for the people as the MIC tells you, it's about money and kickbacks from the healthcare industry. the health care industry is the biggest moneymaker in the world right now, and they are the ones backing barry on this, and giving him his kickbacks. how sad that you think that all this is for the people, when nothing they ever do is for the people.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Sat 03/17/12 04:26 PM
personaly I think things are improveing was at Red Lobster last night place was packed. My Gf and I even had a conversation along the lines of that when we noticed how many people were out eating at the high end restaraunt. Granted many people are not doing well but many are. I suspect the riseing gas prices will dampen the recovery being a depression or recession will be the only chance the republicans have to haveing any political relevence. The oil industry has traditionly been republican dominated and you do not have to be a aluminum foil hat wearing conspiracy theorist to blame the right wing for the riseing gas prices. That and all the chickenhawk war talk over Iran. The biggest mistake anyone can make is to vote republican and then complain when the economy goes down the tubes after all we did cut taxes to stimulate the economy as prescribed by the neocons and those tax cuts remain largely in effect all we have are reduced services to those in need and a huge defecit. Lets be intelectualy honest for a change every time we elect republicans to office the rich get richer and the common folks get poorer and it takes a two term democrat to turn it around. obama isnt perfect but ya know what he is far better than the Mcain/Palin he ran against and he is far better than any of the clowns the republicans are running. Ummmm, Red Lobster is not a high end Restaurant......It is the McDonald's of Seafood actually!!! Obama is setting up another depression by instituting a healthcare plan paid for by the government right now sinking this country further into debt for the future.......every added socialistic program sets this country up for a bigger fall with the false economy bubble he is making right now!!! yea, obamacare is designed to make everyone a hypochondriac, by giving everyone a free pass to go to the emergency room for colds and things of that nature. it will break the government, no matter what kind of price we have to pay. there will be no free pass people are already assured treatment in the emergency room and cant be turned away this bill doesnt change emergency room procedures, this bill ensures that the most EXTREME of circumstances doesnt keep people from care it doesnt do anything to increase or decrease the incidence of hypochondriacs who wish to see doctors for their symptoms,,, no, the difference is now the government pays the 1000-10000's of dollars the hospitals charge. multiply that by 250 million and what do you have? wrong again, there are according to most estimates 50 million who dont have insurance now of those fifty million, some will opt to purchase insurance with the new bill, like so many opted to do when vehicle insurance became a mandate of those who are left, (unknown number, but less than 50 mill), there will be an exchange which offers insurance coverage, still from private insurers who will be able to offer lower rates because they would be in a larger 'risk pool' its not about the government paying for hundreds of millions of patients at all,,, its just about getting insurance for the uninsured,,,,and at more affordable rates for those who in the past couldnt afford it no, thats not what it's about, it's about money, and nothing else. i know you can't understand that, because you are an obama cheerleader, but he and congress are not doing anything for the people as the MIC tells you, it's about money and kickbacks from the healthcare industry. the health care industry is the biggest moneymaker in the world right now, and they are the ones backing barry on this, and giving him his kickbacks. how sad that you think that all this is for the people, when nothing they ever do is for the people. actually, I dont feel 'sad' at all. I feel quite happy,,, how about you?

mightymoe Joined Sun 11/19/06 Posts: 37362	Sat 03/17/12 04:29 PM
personaly I think things are improveing was at Red Lobster last night place was packed. My Gf and I even had a conversation along the lines of that when we noticed how many people were out eating at the high end restaraunt. Granted many people are not doing well but many are. I suspect the riseing gas prices will dampen the recovery being a depression or recession will be the only chance the republicans have to haveing any political relevence. The oil industry has traditionly been republican dominated and you do not have to be a aluminum foil hat wearing conspiracy theorist to blame the right wing for the riseing gas prices. That and all the chickenhawk war talk over Iran. The biggest mistake anyone can make is to vote republican and then complain when the economy goes down the tubes after all we did cut taxes to stimulate the economy as prescribed by the neocons and those tax cuts remain largely in effect all we have are reduced services to those in need and a huge defecit. Lets be intelectualy honest for a change every time we elect republicans to office the rich get richer and the common folks get poorer and it takes a two term democrat to turn it around. obama isnt perfect but ya know what he is far better than the Mcain/Palin he ran against and he is far better than any of the clowns the republicans are running. Ummmm, Red Lobster is not a high end Restaurant......It is the McDonald's of Seafood actually!!! Obama is setting up another depression by instituting a healthcare plan paid for by the government right now sinking this country further into debt for the future.......every added socialistic program sets this country up for a bigger fall with the false economy bubble he is making right now!!! yea, obamacare is designed to make everyone a hypochondriac, by giving everyone a free pass to go to the emergency room for colds and things of that nature. it will break the government, no matter what kind of price we have to pay. there will be no free pass people are already assured treatment in the emergency room and cant be turned away this bill doesnt change emergency room procedures, this bill ensures that the most EXTREME of circumstances doesnt keep people from care it doesnt do anything to increase or decrease the incidence of hypochondriacs who wish to see doctors for their symptoms,,, no, the difference is now the government pays the 1000-10000's of dollars the hospitals charge. multiply that by 250 million and what do you have? wrong again, there are according to most estimates 50 million who dont have insurance now of those fifty million, some will opt to purchase insurance with the new bill, like so many opted to do when vehicle insurance became a mandate of those who are left, (unknown number, but less than 50 mill), there will be an exchange which offers insurance coverage, still from private insurers who will be able to offer lower rates because they would be in a larger 'risk pool' its not about the government paying for hundreds of millions of patients at all,,, its just about getting insurance for the uninsured,,,,and at more affordable rates for those who in the past couldnt afford it no, thats not what it's about, it's about money, and nothing else. i know you can't understand that, because you are an obama cheerleader, but he and congress are not doing anything for the people as the MIC tells you, it's about money and kickbacks from the healthcare industry. the health care industry is the biggest moneymaker in the world right now, and they are the ones backing barry on this, and giving him his kickbacks. how sad that you think that all this is for the people, when nothing they ever do is for the people. actually, I dont feel 'sad' at all. I feel quite happy,,, how about you? no. you misread what i said... i didn't say you are sad, i said "how sad"... it's not your fault you can't see the forest for the trees...

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Sat 03/17/12 04:30 PM Edited by msharmony on Sat 03/17/12 04:31 PM
personaly I think things are improveing was at Red Lobster last night place was packed. My Gf and I even had a conversation along the lines of that when we noticed how many people were out eating at the high end restaraunt. Granted many people are not doing well but many are. I suspect the riseing gas prices will dampen the recovery being a depression or recession will be the only chance the republicans have to haveing any political relevence. The oil industry has traditionly been republican dominated and you do not have to be a aluminum foil hat wearing conspiracy theorist to blame the right wing for the riseing gas prices. That and all the chickenhawk war talk over Iran. The biggest mistake anyone can make is to vote republican and then complain when the economy goes down the tubes after all we did cut taxes to stimulate the economy as prescribed by the neocons and those tax cuts remain largely in effect all we have are reduced services to those in need and a huge defecit. Lets be intelectualy honest for a change every time we elect republicans to office the rich get richer and the common folks get poorer and it takes a two term democrat to turn it around. obama isnt perfect but ya know what he is far better than the Mcain/Palin he ran against and he is far better than any of the clowns the republicans are running. Ummmm, Red Lobster is not a high end Restaurant......It is the McDonald's of Seafood actually!!! Obama is setting up another depression by instituting a healthcare plan paid for by the government right now sinking this country further into debt for the future.......every added socialistic program sets this country up for a bigger fall with the false economy bubble he is making right now!!! yea, obamacare is designed to make everyone a hypochondriac, by giving everyone a free pass to go to the emergency room for colds and things of that nature. it will break the government, no matter what kind of price we have to pay. there will be no free pass people are already assured treatment in the emergency room and cant be turned away this bill doesnt change emergency room procedures, this bill ensures that the most EXTREME of circumstances doesnt keep people from care it doesnt do anything to increase or decrease the incidence of hypochondriacs who wish to see doctors for their symptoms,,, no, the difference is now the government pays the 1000-10000's of dollars the hospitals charge. multiply that by 250 million and what do you have? wrong again, there are according to most estimates 50 million who dont have insurance now of those fifty million, some will opt to purchase insurance with the new bill, like so many opted to do when vehicle insurance became a mandate of those who are left, (unknown number, but less than 50 mill), there will be an exchange which offers insurance coverage, still from private insurers who will be able to offer lower rates because they would be in a larger 'risk pool' its not about the government paying for hundreds of millions of patients at all,,, its just about getting insurance for the uninsured,,,,and at more affordable rates for those who in the past couldnt afford it no, thats not what it's about, it's about money, and nothing else. i know you can't understand that, because you are an obama cheerleader, but he and congress are not doing anything for the people as the MIC tells you, it's about money and kickbacks from the healthcare industry. the health care industry is the biggest moneymaker in the world right now, and they are the ones backing barry on this, and giving him his kickbacks. how sad that you think that all this is for the people, when nothing they ever do is for the people. actually, I dont feel 'sad' at all. I feel quite happy,,, how about you? no. you misread what i said... i didn't say you are sad, i said "how sad"... it's not your fault you can't see the forest for the trees... well, some people have lived in the forest, and others have watched it on tv and believe they are therefore experts,,,, seems we are all in the same boat, making ASSUMPTIONS Based upon our perceptions,,,,,and keeping the debates alive,,,,

mightymoe Joined Sun 11/19/06 Posts: 37362	Sat 03/17/12 04:32 PM
personaly I think things are improveing was at Red Lobster last night place was packed. My Gf and I even had a conversation along the lines of that when we noticed how many people were out eating at the high end restaraunt. Granted many people are not doing well but many are. I suspect the riseing gas prices will dampen the recovery being a depression or recession will be the only chance the republicans have to haveing any political relevence. The oil industry has traditionly been republican dominated and you do not have to be a aluminum foil hat wearing conspiracy theorist to blame the right wing for the riseing gas prices. That and all the chickenhawk war talk over Iran. The biggest mistake anyone can make is to vote republican and then complain when the economy goes down the tubes after all we did cut taxes to stimulate the economy as prescribed by the neocons and those tax cuts remain largely in effect all we have are reduced services to those in need and a huge defecit. Lets be intelectualy honest for a change every time we elect republicans to office the rich get richer and the common folks get poorer and it takes a two term democrat to turn it around. obama isnt perfect but ya know what he is far better than the Mcain/Palin he ran against and he is far better than any of the clowns the republicans are running. Ummmm, Red Lobster is not a high end Restaurant......It is the McDonald's of Seafood actually!!! Obama is setting up another depression by instituting a healthcare plan paid for by the government right now sinking this country further into debt for the future.......every added socialistic program sets this country up for a bigger fall with the false economy bubble he is making right now!!! yea, obamacare is designed to make everyone a hypochondriac, by giving everyone a free pass to go to the emergency room for colds and things of that nature. it will break the government, no matter what kind of price we have to pay. there will be no free pass people are already assured treatment in the emergency room and cant be turned away this bill doesnt change emergency room procedures, this bill ensures that the most EXTREME of circumstances doesnt keep people from care it doesnt do anything to increase or decrease the incidence of hypochondriacs who wish to see doctors for their symptoms,,, no, the difference is now the government pays the 1000-10000's of dollars the hospitals charge. multiply that by 250 million and what do you have? wrong again, there are according to most estimates 50 million who dont have insurance now of those fifty million, some will opt to purchase insurance with the new bill, like so many opted to do when vehicle insurance became a mandate of those who are left, (unknown number, but less than 50 mill), there will be an exchange which offers insurance coverage, still from private insurers who will be able to offer lower rates because they would be in a larger 'risk pool' its not about the government paying for hundreds of millions of patients at all,,, its just about getting insurance for the uninsured,,,,and at more affordable rates for those who in the past couldnt afford it no, thats not what it's about, it's about money, and nothing else. i know you can't understand that, because you are an obama cheerleader, but he and congress are not doing anything for the people as the MIC tells you, it's about money and kickbacks from the healthcare industry. the health care industry is the biggest moneymaker in the world right now, and they are the ones backing barry on this, and giving him his kickbacks. how sad that you think that all this is for the people, when nothing they ever do is for the people. actually, I dont feel 'sad' at all. I feel quite happy,,, how about you? no. you misread what i said... i didn't say you are sad, i said "how sad"... it's not your fault you can't see the forest for the trees... well, some people have lived in the forest, and others have watched it on tv and believe they are therefore experts,,,, seems we are all in the same boat, making ASSUMPTIONS Based upon our perceptions,,,,,and keeping the debates alive,,,, yea, but my assumptions are right...lol

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Sat 03/17/12 04:34 PM


Bestinshow Joined Mon 06/01/09 Posts: 5540	Sun 03/18/12 05:56 AM
personaly I think things are improveing was at Red Lobster last night place was packed. My Gf and I even had a conversation along the lines of that when we noticed how many people were out eating at the high end restaraunt. Granted many people are not doing well but many are. I suspect the riseing gas prices will dampen the recovery being a depression or recession will be the only chance the republicans have to haveing any political relevence. The oil industry has traditionly been republican dominated and you do not have to be a aluminum foil hat wearing conspiracy theorist to blame the right wing for the riseing gas prices. That and all the chickenhawk war talk over Iran. The biggest mistake anyone can make is to vote republican and then complain when the economy goes down the tubes after all we did cut taxes to stimulate the economy as prescribed by the neocons and those tax cuts remain largely in effect all we have are reduced services to those in need and a huge defecit. Lets be intelectualy honest for a change every time we elect republicans to office the rich get richer and the common folks get poorer and it takes a two term democrat to turn it around. obama isnt perfect but ya know what he is far better than the Mcain/Palin he ran against and he is far better than any of the clowns the republicans are running. Ummmm, Red Lobster is not a high end Restaurant......It is the McDonald's of Seafood actually!!! Obama is setting up another depression by instituting a healthcare plan paid for by the government right now sinking this country further into debt for the future.......every added socialistic program sets this country up for a bigger fall with the false economy bubble he is making right now!!! Ummm its rather expensive I had an eighty dollar bill for two people there are many less expensive options for hungry people. Whats sinking this country into debt are the unfunded wars of choice started by the Bush crime family.