Topic: cancer
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Wed 03/14/12 06:47 AM
do you think theres a cure out there?

please watch this

Ty Bollinger - Pittsburgh Cancer Lecture - Part 1 of 8


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCHnJtflM00&feature=related


Ty Bollinger - Pittsburgh Cancer Lecture - Part 2 of 8


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdPK5JDYC8o&feature=related

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Wed 03/14/12 07:27 AM
Edited by Shy_Emo_chick on Wed 03/14/12 07:28 AM
I'm surprised nobody tried using boiled water instead of medicines. It cleanses and rids of toxins. So.................Oh well.

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Wed 03/14/12 07:36 AM
I am a cancer survivor, I suggest anyone seeking cures for cancer Google, Dr Lorainne Day. She told me how to cure my cancer and I believe it worked. I was in a hospice with two weeks to live and three weeks later I got up put my clothes on and walked out. That was in 2006, Im still here, still going.

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Wed 03/14/12 08:00 AM

I am a cancer survivor, I suggest anyone seeking cures for cancer Google, Dr Lorainne Day. She told me how to cure my cancer and I believe it worked. I was in a hospice with two weeks to live and three weeks later I got up put my clothes on and walked out. That was in 2006, Im still here, still going.




That is awesome.
drinks :banana:

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Wed 03/14/12 08:19 AM
Edited by Bushidobillyclub on Wed 03/14/12 08:29 AM


I am a cancer survivor, I suggest anyone seeking cures for cancer Google, Dr Lorainne Day. She told me how to cure my cancer and I believe it worked. I was in a hospice with two weeks to live and three weeks later I got up put my clothes on and walked out. That was in 2006, Im still here, still going.




That is awesome.
drinks :banana:


Actually its not scientific.

http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/Cancer/day.html

Having a background in science makes watching those videos extremely painful.

Volant, you are spreading quack medicine around which if a person ignores science based medical treatments in favor of these quack "remedies" they are placing themselves in great danger. Untreated cancer is a death sentence and nothing in the videos or anything Dr Lorainne Day has offered up will have any impact on the progression of the disease AT ALL.


People want simple answers, so what these quacks offer seems compelling, and really preys on our desire to have a single simple solution to a life threatening disease. The sad truth is that cancer is not a simple, single disease. They also prey on the distrust of authorities that seems to be growing in the US, and in certain cases rightly so.

I can understand how a person without the scientific background could be compelled to believe these kinds of claims, but they are nonsense.

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Wed 03/14/12 08:58 AM
Yes

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Wed 03/14/12 09:09 AM



I am a cancer survivor, I suggest anyone seeking cures for cancer Google, Dr Lorainne Day. She told me how to cure my cancer and I believe it worked. I was in a hospice with two weeks to live and three weeks later I got up put my clothes on and walked out. That was in 2006, Im still here, still going.




That is awesome.
drinks :banana:


Actually its not scientific.

http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/Cancer/day.html

Having a background in science makes watching those videos extremely painful.

Volant, you are spreading quack medicine around which if a person ignores science based medical treatments in favor of these quack "remedies" they are placing themselves in great danger. Untreated cancer is a death sentence and nothing in the videos or anything Dr Lorainne Day has offered up will have any impact on the progression of the disease AT ALL.


People want simple answers, so what these quacks offer seems compelling, and really preys on our desire to have a single simple solution to a life threatening disease. The sad truth is that cancer is not a simple, single disease. They also prey on the distrust of authorities that seems to be growing in the US, and in certain cases rightly so.

I can understand how a person without the scientific background could be compelled to believe these kinds of claims, but they are nonsense.




iamascientist



i believe this so i must be a quack too hmmmmmm


its all about nutrition

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Wed 03/14/12 09:15 AM
Edited by Bushidobillyclub on Wed 03/14/12 09:24 AM
its all about nutrition
It is far more complex than that. Wouldn't it just be dandy to think we could fix something as wide spread as Cancer with nothing but eating right.

I will just quote this peace of that article I linked to help explain why this is wishful thinking.

Indeed, these cancer “cures” strike me as being either the world’s most well-kept conspiracies of all time (after all, I’m a cancer surgeon and researcher and I’ve never heard from my colleagues even a hint of such an amazing cure for cancer in general or any specific cancer) or the worst-kept (after all, filmmakers like Steve Kroschel, writer, producer, and director of The Beautiful Truth, seem to have very little difficulty finding out all about it). In actuality, whether the secret of these “natural cures” is well or poorly kept seems to vary with the needs of the advocate telling the story.

Moreover, none of these claims makes much sense on a strictly logical basis. Think about it this way: So many people die of cancer every year that virtually every person in developed countries, doctors and cancer researchers–and, yes, even big pharma executives–included, have known, know, or will know someone with cancer. Many have seen or will see someone they love die of cancer, sometimes in horrific ways. Certainly over the more than four decades of my existence, I have had multiple family members who have died of cancer. In fact, right now my wife and I are dealing with the heartbreak of a close family member recently diagnosed with widely metastatic breast cancer, and I’ve been trying to work every contact I know to get her to the best oncologist in order to provide her with the best possible palliation. Do the makers of this movie think that I or any other cancer researcher (or even big pharma executive) would withhold knowledge of such a “cure” or keep it from others if I knew of it? Indeed, because cancer kills so many people, many of these very same doctors and researchers will end up battling the disease at some point in their lives, and many of them will end up dying of it themselves. I might even end up dying of cancer someday. You might end up dying of cancer someday. Does it make any sort of sense logically that every single one of these doctors, executives, and bureaucrats would dismiss or conspire to suppress (or even blindly ignore the evidence for its existence because of dogma and “business as usual” of) such an amazingly effective cure, if it really existed? No, it does not. Someone would talk, probably a lot of people. I know I would. Again, given how cancer has recently touched our family, I assure you, if such a cure existed, I would make damned sure that family member got it, no matter what it was, and if it truly worked as advertised I would make sure everyone else knew about it too. You can be sure that quite a few of those supposedly nefarious cancer researchers, government bureaucrats, and big pharma executives would too.

So now, not surprisingly, the filmmaker (through Garrett) has a mission:

Garrett’s mission now is to tell the world.

Of course it is. It always is. Because he’s been converted and is now an evangelist.
The real truth is that when the rubber meets the road, when the data is collected, it becomes clear that such simplistic notions of cancer are nothing but wishful thinking turned into a profitable quack alternative medicine snake oil sale.

iamascientist
I have seen NOTHING from you that would make me believe this. You have not presented a single shred of scientific evidence at all EVER on this forum. I do not claim to be a scientist, I have a background in science, a undergraduate degree in physics and work in the medical field, and when someone makes a claim I have the background to know how to logically follow data from hypothesis to conclusions. Nothing scientific has been presented by you yet.

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Wed 03/14/12 10:28 AM


iamascientist
I have seen NOTHING from you that would make me believe this. You have not presented a single shred of scientific evidence at all EVER on this forum. I do not claim to be a scientist, I have a background in science, a undergraduate degree in physics and work in the medical field, and when someone makes a claim I have the background to know how to logically follow data from hypothesis to conclusions. Nothing scientific has been presented by you yet.



you live in a different world than me

dont worry most people do

no matter what new evidence i showed you you would not believe it

you believe the media over me

i used to think like that

but always knew something was wrong

know i know why

i can only tell people the truth

i cant make them believe

who are you going to believe me or the FDA , WHO or ACS?

so most people follow them

there is overwhelming evidence out there

you just have to see it





if a lie is told enough

it becomes the truth

Adolph Hitler



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Wed 03/14/12 11:30 AM
Edited by Bushidobillyclub on Wed 03/14/12 11:34 AM
you believe the media over me
No, I have read studies, not articles, I have learned the methods of science, not the conclusions of writers. I formulate my own opinion by following the data to its conclusion.

I am not a cancer researcher, I am not an oncologist, I have read plenty of supporting evidence that shows me that the people who are know what they are talking about.

You think there is a massive conspiracy everywhere that includes all of the millions of medical professionals who work with cancer patients, who have had loved ones die of cancer and some of which have had cancer themselves, and you expect us to believe that this conspiracy remains intact except for a few brave maverick doctors like Dr. Lorraine Day?

Amazes me anyone thinks this is possible.

who are you going to believe me or the FDA , WHO or ACS?
Poisoned well argument from authority mentality. These are not logical arguments volant.

Explain your theory; explain the pathology of cancer and what elements of nutrition are involved and what toxins are being cleansed with the coffee enemas.

This is what I mean, you spout off ridicule for the groups of people who actually work to understand these things without ever actually engaging in the process that leads to understanding.

There is no greater hypocrisy.

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Fri 03/16/12 03:45 PM
http://www.cannabisscience.com/news-a-media/press-releases/276-cannabis-science-reports-cancer-tumors-continues-to-shrink-and-die-as-apparent-pieces-of-the-dying-cancer-tumors-begin-to-fall-off-as-evidenced-in-newest-photos-of-the-3rd-squamous-cell-carcinoma-patient.html