"Let me get this straight . . . We're going to be "gifted" with a health care plan we are forced to purchase and fined if we don't, which purportedly covers at least ten million more people, without adding a single new doctor, but provides for 16,000 new IRS agents, written by a committee whose chairman says he doesn't understand it, passed by a Congress that didn't read it but exempted themselves from it, and signed by a... President who smokes, with funding administered by a treasury chief who didn't pay his taxes, for which we'll be taxed for four years before any benefits take effect, by a government which has already bankrupted Social Security and Medicare, all to be overseen by a surgeon general who is obese, and financed by a country that's broke! What the hell could possibly go wrong?"


Donald Trump

Oh were was Mr Trumps moral outrage when they passed the patriot act?

This is the only intelligent thing I've heard Trump say in a very long time!

where was the Outrage of the Left when Obama perpetuated the Patriot-Act?

I'm sorry once again, but it' s once again an example for the impossibilities in the fabled "Country of unlimited possibilities", as my grandfather used to call the US.

I have to admit I know little about the current initiative, but I come from ai country where a (more or less) effective public health care system is just a fact - you're sick? You go and see a doctor. Top cost will be 10€/13$$, which you have to pay once every three months. You change jobs? No influence on your health care; your new employer will pay YOUR insurance, no matter what. Get unemployed? No effect on your coverage... You and your family will ALWAYS get decent health care...

If anybody cares, you might want to read here (written by Americans who live and work in Germany):

http://www.amiexpat.com/2009/08/18/health-care-in-germany/
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I was outraged. I decided not to work the campaign this year, I am not an enthousiastic fan of Obamas and cannot understand why the republicans hate him so much since he is doing a better job being a republican than the republicans.

In matters of state both rotten parties serve the same masters, that being said I think the dems do a better job for the average american of which I am and the republicans do a better job for the elites.

I will vote for Obummer and I wish we had a viable third party one that includes some of Ron Pauls views and some progresive views.

social security is not bankrupt, it is built upon trust bearing funds (something a supposed money genius like Trump should be aware of, considering he is a genius at bankruptcies)

medicare is likewise not bankrupt, it has four parts (a thru d), which is irrelevant but it is not bankrupt just the same

soc sec and medicare cannot go bankrupt due to congressional action, they are both a factor of DEMOGRAPHICS< both financially and socially

we have seen a growing number of SENIOR citizens and unemployed, which makes it difficult for people to PAY IN to the system,, this can change and usually has changed when such predictions were made before



Trump does anything for attention

the statement has so much fallacy in it I dont know where to start

nowhere does the bill claim there will be no new doctors ( a bill doesnt employ doctors by the way...)

the 16500 figure is over TEN years, or roughly 1650 employees per year ,,a small percentage of which are 'agents' but mostly clerical and customer service



the bill wasnt written by a 'committee', it went through two houses of congress where MULTIPLE politicians reviewed , revised, and edited it as well


Congress may or may not have read the bill, My money is that some congresspeople did and others didnt (we are talking about 535 individuals when we speak of 'congress')

The President QUIT SMOKING,,,

the surgeon general provides scientific information, her weight is no moreless at issue than it would be for a doctor who actually TREATS PATIENTS,, and I have seen healthy ones


a statement loaded with unsubstantiated opinions backed with no fact,,,,Trump never outdoes himself,,,

I don't want or need healthcare and the government should not be able to mandate that I have it. I hope the supreme court throws it all out! The judical is the only branch of government making decent decisions.

how do you possibly know you will never need medical assistance?

thats like my son saying he didnt want to get auto insurance because he was never going to have an accident......

But the government shouldn't be making that decision for people......they can make decisions if they get sick then they should pay out of pocket or fore go treatment if they choose to go without insurance......the government shouldn't force treatment on you if you choose not to have treatments.

in a perfect world, maybe

but in this world where accidents and illnesses arent planned
and where emergency rooms have a duty to help everyone

the government isnt forcing treatments, they are mandating that there is 1) a means to compensate for the expense of treatment when and if it occurs and as a consequence
2) an insurance that everyone can get healthcare, because they will have a policy which covers the expenses incurred

the expenses must be covered SOMEHOW
government already provides some of that to hospitals so they have a financial interest in it as well as a human one

when people get treatment to be 'billed', and those bills arent paid, those costs still have to be covered

so having a preventive measure in place, IN CASE of the unexpected and unwanted, is not only common sense, but it is a reasonable concern to the government which invests in the healthcare system,,,,

why should they be forced to receive treatments whether planned or not? they should be able to choose to not receive treatment.......if they choose to not have insurance and its their choice...they should be stating they do not want treatments hen and then the hospitals shouldn't have to in that sense.

Car Insurance is different if you domn't want car insurance you don't have a car. The government forcing people to have health insurance is everything America is against. I should have the freedom to choose. Insurance is a privledge not a right.

You will need it one day thats for sure, you will either go bankrupt or burden the taxpayers.

Having insurance does not mandate that one puts it to use. BUT I'm 99% positive that religious exemptions can be had. Insurance is nothing more than placing bet against the odds and there are a lot of religions, including most Christian doctrines, that believe gambling is a sin.

So there are are at least two choices to 'opt' out.

noone is forcing people to have treatments, Im not understanding your question maybe...?

but that still doesnt account for the issue of all those who HAVE to be treated even if they never intend to pay the bill,,,,of course there is the option to not receive treatment,, there is the option to own a car and never get it fixed if someone hits it too

but insurance just makes common sense for the 'what if' that can accumulate into such a costly expense when it piles up amongst hundreds of millions of people,,,

A perfect world will never come about...

Unless we proceed toward it with Faith that it will happen.

Insurance is a hedge bet against faith.

Why would someone bet against the future?
funding the poor is a responsibility.

Insuring against their death is not.

I dont see it as a bet against my future, I see it as a shelter from potential future debt for services that must be paid for somehow.

just as a safebelt saves me from potential physical harm
insurance protects me from potential financial harm