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Topic: Contraception
AdventureBegins Joined Tue 04/10/07 Posts: 7666	Fri 03/02/12 08:42 PM
"A pregnancy can run into some real money....$150 per visit for pre-natal care and 5,000 to $15,000 for the birth. If there are complications, costs can skyrocket. " Simple cure... Abstenince. (no 'unexpected' consequence). Less simple cure... When I have an accident in my car. The person at fault pays for the damage by their insurance. If you make the fathers insurance company pay half the price of the child. Fewer men would be tempted to waste time humping someone they would not want to wed. Surely you ar joking? Do you seriously think guys would quit humping if their insurance would get stuck for 1/2 the bill? Hahahaha! Tooo funny! They are already on the hook for child support in most states. I think you missed the point....it's cheaper to PREVENT! Cheaper for whom? US... Or the unborn spirit waiting for a Mother to open the Gate into the Green Vally? So they might grow.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Fri 03/02/12 08:46 PM
I think other problems would arise if birth control was free for women. What's the possibility of more women getting STD's because they are not worried about getting pregnant so they become more promiscuous. Wouldn't the cost of treating those be more expensive? Your absolutely right... SEX is a problem. STD's are a problem. Women should be required to wear burka's. We should follow Sharia law. That would solve everything. I dont think there is anything that will 'solve' everything when it comes to those issues. I dont think anyone here wants to see burkas mandated. I just think that when you speak of mandates out of peoples pockets, they feel a right to speak up about whether they wish to cover that expense for others or not. I think a system in which those who can afford 1.50 a day to prevent pregnancy(but nt stds, in the case of pills) cover the costs for said pills and those who cant afford that 1.50 have access to programs where they can temporarily receive it is the most JUST policy we could implement

TJN Joined Sun 12/02/07 Posts: 6745	Sat 03/03/12 03:32 AM
I think other problems would arise if birth control was free for women. What's the possibility of more women getting STD's because they are not worried about getting pregnant so they become more promiscuous. Wouldn't the cost of treating those be more expensive? Your absolutely right... SEX is a problem. STD's are a problem. Women should be required to wear burka's. We should follow Sharia law. That would solve everything. I dont think there is anything that will 'solve' everything when it comes to those issues. I dont think anyone here wants to see burkas mandated. I just think that when you speak of mandates out of peoples pockets, they feel a right to speak up about whether they wish to cover that expense for others or not. I think a system in which those who can afford 1.50 a day to prevent pregnancy(but nt stds, in the case of pills) cover the costs for said pills and those who cant afford that 1.50 have access to programs where they can temporarily receive it is the most JUST policy we could implement You those who can afford them pay for them and those can't have access. Who's to say who can and can't afford them? Doesn't planned parenthood offer free BC to those who can't afford them?

Seakolony Joined Fri 11/07/08 Posts: 11968	Sat 03/03/12 03:58 AM
I guess I'm not understanding the whole concept of what is going on with it. I hear people arguing the point that it should be free. If that's the case I ask why? Then I also hear people talking about it should be available to women. I wasn't aware that there are women who can't obtain it. Can't they get a prescription from a doctor? And I would also like to know if women can get it for free then why. Ant men get free condoms? in general YES< men and women can get 'free' contraception (condoms and pills) depending upon their income level by going to various clinics who supply such income based assistance generally, men and women who should be able to 'afford' it within their own income will have to pay for it a male can get a box of about 12 for 9 dollars , or a little under a dollar a piece less than what they pay for those daily cigarettes, or cups of coffee , or soft drinks.....MOST can afford this the pill, however, is a prescription med that one must go through the medical profession to receive and that too is usually income based,,,but ranges from 15-50 bucks a month, or fifty cents to 1.75 per day less than those junk food items most eat daily, MOST can probably afford this as well Actually, all men have to do is walk in a clinic and ask for prophylactics and they are handed to them for free. Women are handed a prescription for the pill no the pills themselves. Men do not have to prove income to ask for the contraception choice and are handed them for free. Women have to prove income to see the doctor and get the prescription that they have to pay for.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Sat 03/03/12 07:51 AM
I think other problems would arise if birth control was free for women. What's the possibility of more women getting STD's because they are not worried about getting pregnant so they become more promiscuous. Wouldn't the cost of treating those be more expensive? Your absolutely right... SEX is a problem. STD's are a problem. Women should be required to wear burka's. We should follow Sharia law. That would solve everything. I dont think there is anything that will 'solve' everything when it comes to those issues. I dont think anyone here wants to see burkas mandated. I just think that when you speak of mandates out of peoples pockets, they feel a right to speak up about whether they wish to cover that expense for others or not. I think a system in which those who can afford 1.50 a day to prevent pregnancy(but nt stds, in the case of pills) cover the costs for said pills and those who cant afford that 1.50 have access to programs where they can temporarily receive it is the most JUST policy we could implement You those who can afford them pay for them and those can't have access. Who's to say who can and can't afford them? Doesn't planned parenthood offer free BC to those who can't afford them? yes as I said, at about 1.500 a day,, MOST people can afford them

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Sat 03/03/12 07:53 AM
I guess I'm not understanding the whole concept of what is going on with it. I hear people arguing the point that it should be free. If that's the case I ask why? Then I also hear people talking about it should be available to women. I wasn't aware that there are women who can't obtain it. Can't they get a prescription from a doctor? And I would also like to know if women can get it for free then why. Ant men get free condoms? in general YES< men and women can get 'free' contraception (condoms and pills) depending upon their income level by going to various clinics who supply such income based assistance generally, men and women who should be able to 'afford' it within their own income will have to pay for it a male can get a box of about 12 for 9 dollars , or a little under a dollar a piece less than what they pay for those daily cigarettes, or cups of coffee , or soft drinks.....MOST can afford this the pill, however, is a prescription med that one must go through the medical profession to receive and that too is usually income based,,,but ranges from 15-50 bucks a month, or fifty cents to 1.75 per day less than those junk food items most eat daily, MOST can probably afford this as well Actually, all men have to do is walk in a clinic and ask for prophylactics and they are handed to them for free. Women are handed a prescription for the pill no the pills themselves. Men do not have to prove income to ask for the contraception choice and are handed them for free. Women have to prove income to see the doctor and get the prescription that they have to pay for. this is true, men require no medical check up just to put a raincoat on and women do require a check up before being prescribed a medication that will be altering their system,,,,,,

Seakolony Joined Fri 11/07/08 Posts: 11968	Sat 03/03/12 07:59 AM
I think other problems would arise if birth control was free for women. What's the possibility of more women getting STD's because they are not worried about getting pregnant so they become more promiscuous. Wouldn't the cost of treating those be more expensive? Your absolutely right... SEX is a problem. STD's are a problem. Women should be required to wear burka's. We should follow Sharia law. That would solve everything. I dont think there is anything that will 'solve' everything when it comes to those issues. I dont think anyone here wants to see burkas mandated. I just think that when you speak of mandates out of peoples pockets, they feel a right to speak up about whether they wish to cover that expense for others or not. I think a system in which those who can afford 1.50 a day to prevent pregnancy(but nt stds, in the case of pills) cover the costs for said pills and those who cant afford that 1.50 have access to programs where they can temporarily receive it is the most JUST policy we could implement You those who can afford them pay for them and those can't have access. Who's to say who can and can't afford them? Doesn't planned parenthood offer free BC to those who can't afford them? yes as I said, at about 1.500 a day,, MOST people can afford them The cost dependent upon what type of oral contraception or other contraception the female requires or needs. The type of oral contraception may be different if the female needs the prescription for something other than birth control and can get pricey.

Sloe00 Joined Sat 03/03/12 Posts: 434	Sat 03/03/12 08:23 AM
from a woman of (very) modest means: being an adult, and sexually active doesn`t give anyone the right to ask for free shi*. pardon my language. i believe in responsibility and self-reliance. wtf happened to that brand of thinking?

Sloe00 Joined Sat 03/03/12 Posts: 434	Sat 03/03/12 08:25 AM
LOL, just remembered the saying 'No glove, NO LOVE'

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Sat 03/03/12 08:26 AM
from a woman of (very) modest means: being an adult, and sexually active doesn`t give anyone the right to ask for free shi*. pardon my language. i believe in responsibility and self-reliance. wtf happened to that brand of thinking? lol,, dont hold back,,,lol anyway, I think the brand of thinking making this an issue is prevention in the long haul preventing 'unwanted' children from being conceived and/or born whether such prevention is a worthy investment for society at large to make it freely available, regardless of income, is what makes it an issue,,, and the 'equality' issue due to men being able to get their raincoats free at a clinic,,,,, 'if they can do it why cant we,,,' is kind of the equality slogan in modern culture,,,,

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Sat 03/03/12 08:28 AM Edited by msharmony on Sat 03/03/12 08:32 AM
LOL, just remembered the saying 'No glove, NO LOVE' right? I totally get that. I dont know in this day and age, why women continue to lay down with irresponsible or selfish men and take the chance of creating a life with them,,,,, or why men chose to lay down with women of similar character and take that chance we take more care with our outward appearances (clothes, hair, etc,,) as people than we do with the issue of human life,,,,its sad really or how a woman can have MULTIPLE abortions,,,beats me or a man have multiple children with multiple women and not take care of any of them? or women continue to lay with such men KNOWING this,,,? the world is a crazy place. I was with ONE irresponsible man, because I happened to marry him and thought I was too old to conceive but I thankfully had/have a support system and a lot of love to give a child and had I not, I would have chosen the adoption system over stopping that beautiful life in its tracks,,,,

Seakolony Joined Fri 11/07/08 Posts: 11968	Sat 03/03/12 08:58 AM
I honestly don't understand why women if they are getting BC for sex and cant afford it why they cant go ask for condoms too. They can get those for free.......and yes they should be responsible and pay for their own contraception.....

SanneHan Joined Thu 03/01/12 Posts: 356	Sat 03/03/12 09:10 AM
Actually, there are times when I consider myself even luckier with my way of life than usual - One of the biggest drawbacks (I will never have kids without going far out of my way) is One of the greatest gifts in the other hand. Yet I have an opinion on that point... Both partners share the fun, but only one partner bears costs and risks? Now c'mon, Nobody in his right mind can think of that as a partnership, can you? And to those that can't afford the pill, it should be given free (but actually, even in the "quasi-socialist, unbearable for Society" geman healthcare system, that is not a fact - health insurance here covers the neccessary checkups, but not the pill itself). As you stated above, each unwanted pregnancy costs the society more than free contraceptives for a whole bunch of women for their whole life, not counting what it costs both mother and child for life - and I'm not talking about money here...

Sloe00 Joined Sat 03/03/12 Posts: 434	Sat 03/03/12 09:39 AM
as the partner who could get knocked up...i know that i count on myself more than anyone else for prevention. partnership or no.

Sloe00 Joined Sat 03/03/12 Posts: 434	Sat 03/03/12 09:41 AM
LOL, just remembered the saying 'No glove, NO LOVE' right? I totally get that. I dont know in this day and age, why women continue to lay down with irresponsible or selfish men and take the chance of creating a life with them,,,,, or why men chose to lay down with women of similar character and take that chance we take more care with our outward appearances (clothes, hair, etc,,) as people than we do with the issue of human life,,,,its sad really or how a woman can have MULTIPLE abortions,,,beats me or a man have multiple children with multiple women and not take care of any of them? or women continue to lay with such men KNOWING this,,,? the world is a crazy place. I was with ONE irresponsible man, because I happened to marry him and thought I was too old to conceive but I thankfully had/have a support system and a lot of love to give a child and had I not, I would have chosen the adoption system over stopping that beautiful life in its tracks,,,, a very good post.

singmesweet Joined Mon 07/28/08 Posts: 26661	Sat 03/03/12 11:11 AM
I think other problems would arise if birth control was free for women. What's the possibility of more women getting STD's because they are not worried about getting pregnant so they become more promiscuous. Wouldn't the cost of treating those be more expensive? What happened to men using condoms as well? Just because a woman is on birth control, it doesn't mean a guy should stop using a condom. Why not expect responsibility from both sides. And I think it's more of an issue lately of wanting birth control covered by an insurance plan that the employee pays into. When the religious issues get in the way, some want to pick and choose what insurance companies will cover.

RKISIT Joined Tue 01/08/08 Posts: 16721	Sat 03/03/12 11:36 AM
All i can say is i believe the one who can get pregnant should take more responsibility than the one who can't.Are you really gonna just say "hey dude you take responsibility"?I really don't understand why a woman would do this when she is the one that gets pregnant.If he doesn't agree it's easier for a woman to run away with her dress up than it is for a man with his pants down.

singmesweet Joined Mon 07/28/08 Posts: 26661	Sat 03/03/12 11:39 AM Edited by singmesweet on Sat 03/03/12 11:40 AM
All i can say is i believe the one who can get pregnant should take more responsibility than the one who can't.Are you really gonna just say "hey dude you take responsibility"?I really don't understand why a woman would do this when she is the one that gets pregnant.If he doesn't agree it's easier for a woman to run away with her dress up than it is for a man with his pants down. Unless you're unaware of how things work, you know that it does take two to make a baby. So why shouldn't both take responsibility? Besides, wouldn't preventing STDs be a good idea as well?

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Sat 03/03/12 11:46 AM
All i can say is i believe the one who can get pregnant should take more responsibility than the one who can't.Are you really gonna just say "hey dude you take responsibility"?I really don't understand why a woman would do this when she is the one that gets pregnant.If he doesn't agree it's easier for a woman to run away with her dress up than it is for a man with his pants down. Unless you're unaware of how things work, you know that it does take two to make a baby. So why shouldn't both take responsibility? Besides, wouldn't preventing STDs be a good idea as well? in an ideal world, they would BOTH take responsibility but in this world, We can only control ourself and our actions and FEW people take realistically the potential of sex to create a life when they lie down together in a world where the sex itself is such a 'necessity',,,,, so men who do not wish to become fathers should be taking precautions and women who do not wish to become mothers should be taking precautions as well

RKISIT Joined Tue 01/08/08 Posts: 16721	Sat 03/03/12 11:47 AM
All i can say is i believe the one who can get pregnant should take more responsibility than the one who can't.Are you really gonna just say "hey dude you take responsibility"?I really don't understand why a woman would do this when she is the one that gets pregnant.If he doesn't agree it's easier for a woman to run away with her dress up than it is for a man with his pants down. Unless you're unaware of how things work, you know that it does take two to make a baby. So why shouldn't both take responsibility? Besides, wouldn't preventing STDs be a good idea as well? I'm quite aware i have a son that lives with me,but i'm talking about the woman should take a little more precaution.