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Who said?... Not since Caligula appointed his horse as a consul of Rome has there been a more inappropriate appointment than Tony Blair as the peace envoy for the Middle East. George Galloway said it....not that it matters...If you want to start another pro Palestine anti Israeli thread just do it in a straight forward way....You might garner more and better response that way..... Just sayin..... Where have you been?? He's been part of many anti-Israel threads already. |
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Peace will arrive much quicker when there are no profits from murdering innocents. Name a time in the history of human civilization that innocents weren't being murdered for profit or land.. It is not like this is something new or recent.. You know.. Darwin's survival of the fittest.. You are totally right, but its time for us to move past this. Our history has been dominated by cultures which considered it okay to 'own' other human beings, including their own women, and cultures which thought that forms of rape (modern definition) was perfectly fine, cultures which were very indiscriminate in their view of 'situations in which murder was acceptable'.... Most modern cultures are maturing past all of that - we can also mature past needless warmongering. Very Good Answer... 
We might be fitter today but it seems quite a few do not have the wisdom factor.... maturity is sadly lacking in many. |
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Who said?... Not since Caligula appointed his horse as a consul of Rome has there been a more inappropriate appointment than Tony Blair as the peace envoy for the Middle East. George Galloway said it....not that it matters...If you want to start another pro Palestine anti Israeli thread just do it in a straight forward way....You might garner more and better response that way..... Just sayin..... Where have you been?? He's been part of many anti-Israel threads already. You could have worded that a little differently singme..... Pro Palestinian Anti Zionist/Occupation... Just Saying Like |
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Wording it a little different doesn't make what you've posted change at all.
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Wording it a little different doesn't make what you've posted change at all. I posted a George Galloway Saying? I am not wanting to change anything. |
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Wording it a little different doesn't make what you've posted change at all. I posted a George Galloway Saying? I am not wanting to change anything. As you can see, I was commenting on what someone had said and then pointed out you had already made threads/posts that she mentioned. |
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As you can see, I was commenting on what someone had said and then pointed out you had already made threads/posts that she mentioned. I know that, but in that post were the words pro Palestinian and I am not Anti Israel......I am anti Zionist |
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I wasn't talking about a particular post. I was thinking of several threads.
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I wasn't talking about a particular post. I was thinking of several threads. You are a nightmare singme In the nicest possible way.. 
I know where you are coming from Do you know where I am coming from? |
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LOL. Never been called a nightmare before. No, I don't often know where you're coming from, because you tend to talk in circles.
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Edited by
Optomistic69
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Sun 02/26/12 11:51 AM
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Here is a song for you singme Here I sleep the morning through 'Til the wail of the call to prayer awakes me And there ain't nothing at all to do but rise and follow The day wherever it takes me I stand at the window and I look at the sea And I am what I am, and what will be will be I stand at the window and I look at the sea And I make me a pot of opium tea Down at the port I watch the boats come in Watch the boats come in can do something to you And the kids gather around with an outstretched hand And I toss them a dirham or two http://bit.ly/w5Vn9c |
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Here is Blair in his own words. Rather than making unsubstantiated
slurs try actually listening to Blair speak about his views. http://youtu.be/Qy7ghoScdXU 
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As you can see, I was commenting on what someone had said and then pointed out you had already made threads/posts that she mentioned. I know that, but in that post were the words pro Palestinian and I am not Anti Israel......I am anti Zionist 
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Edited by
Optomistic69
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Sun 02/26/12 12:49 PM
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Here is Blair in his own words. Rather than making unsubstantiated slurs try actually listening to Blair speak about his views. http://youtu.be/Qy7ghoScdXU
Well That is an interesting video ....one I might add I haven't viewed. Thank you for bringing it to my notice. Now I suggest you go listen to it again and analyse his words. First on Israel Palestine in regard to Poison Second On Iraq and AlQueda. He stumbled on Iran and was slightly caught off guard on Iraq again. One Slimey Limey is our Tony... The Video I most want to see is...Blair and Cheney in the Dock at The Hague....I would exempt Bush believe it or not..nobody could act that stupid. |
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I listened to it first as I brought it to your attention.
You're welcome. Anti-Zionist is the same thing as Anti-Israel. Zionism is Israeli Nationalism just as Americanism is patriotic American Nationalism. So your anti-Zionist stance is purely unjust anti-Israeli discrimination as you attempt to deny the Israelis their fair claim to their own extremely well documented and irrefutable connection to Israel. Blair says that he can't see the situation getting any better over time. Blair does not believe that the Israel-Palestinian conflict is the cause of Islamic fundamentalist terrorism although he feels it would be one less irritant if it could be resolved and that peace between Israel and Arabs is desirable of course purely on it's own merits. Extreme forces of Islamic fundamentalists are at the heart of fomenting violence and it is up to those who want peace to support people who are trying to find a better way. We need to say - we stand up against terrorists. We need to intervene and oppose actively the Islamic Terrorist Extremists. It is not a war with Islam but with extremist radical Islamists. We have to stand up against those who discriminate and against those foment violent radical Islamists. Iran with nuclear capability is unacceptable is the unstable nature of the Iranian regime because we see what Iran is pushing and promoting radical Islamic extremism everywhere. |
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I listened to it first as I brought it to your attention. You're welcome. Anti-Zionist is the same thing as Anti-Israel. Zionism is Israeli Nationalism just as Americanism is patriotic American Nationalism. So your anti-Zionist stance is purely unjust anti-Israeli discrimination as you attempt to deny the Israelis their fair claim to their own extremely well documented and irrefutable connection to Israel. Blair says that he can't see the situation getting any better over time. Blair does not believe that the Israel-Palestinian conflict is the cause of Islamic fundamentalist terrorism although he feels it would be one less irritant if it could be resolved and that peace between Israel and Arabs is desirable of course purely on it's own merits. Extreme forces of Islamic fundamentalists are at the heart of fomenting violence and it is up to those who want peace to support people who are trying to find a better way. We need to say - we stand up against terrorists. We need to intervene and oppose actively the Islamic Terrorist Extremists. It is not a war with Islam but with extremist radical Islamists. We have to stand up against those who discriminate and against those foment violent radical Islamists. Iran with nuclear capability is unacceptable is the unstable nature of the Iranian regime because we see what Iran is pushing and promoting radical Islamic extremism everywhere.[color] This is a great post Slow...thanks!
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Edited by
s1owhand
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Mon 02/27/12 07:44 AM
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Just trying to be the voice of reason and common sense. My last line was a little garbled apparently as I tried to express myself. It should have read: Iran with nuclear capability is unacceptable because of the unstable nature of the Iranian regime specifically because we see that Iran is pushing and promoting radical Islamic extremism everywhere. |
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Edited by
Optomistic69
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Mon 02/27/12 07:54 AM
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Anti-Zionist is the same thing as Anti-Israel. ..No it is not the same
Zionism is a Jewish political movement. Blair states that the Palestine conflict is the Poison in The ME. He also suggests that if that the Palestine conflict is settled the sting will be removed from the ME He is not alone in that view, several top ranking American Military Men Hold the same view. Blair in the Video tried to link Iraq and Al Queda Still trying to justify an illegal invasion Blair states that a Nuclear Iran would Destabilize the ME Does that follow that the ME is stable? If it is stable what is all the fuss The State of Palestine is recognized today by approximately two-thirds of the world's countries, although this status is not recognized by the United Nations, Israel and major Western nations such as the United States. |
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Edited by
s1owhand
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Mon 02/27/12 08:12 AM
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Zionism, the national movement for the return of the Jewish people to their homeland and the resumption of Jewish sovereignty in the Land of Israel, advocated, from its inception, tangible as well as spiritual aims. Jews of all persuasions, left and right, religious and secular, joined to form the Zionist movement and worked together toward these goals. Disagreements led to rifts, but ultimately, the common goal of a Jewish state in its ancient homeland was attained. The term “Zionism” was coined in 1890 by Nathan Birnbaum.
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Zionism/zionism.html The above site has a good discussion of Zionism. Since Zionism is the national movement which founded and sustains Israel it is the same thing as Israeli Nationalism and to be Anti-Zionist is exactly the same as being Anti-Israel. But feel free to make up your own fantasy definition which will only be of consequence to yourself. 
Now as for the video, Blair explicitly states that the Israeli- Palestinian conflict is not the source of violence in the Middle East. I agree with him that it is poison - basically irrational hatred and refusal of the Palestinians to be willing to accept Israel. Many Palestinians do not teach peaceful coexistence but instead educate and train their children in religious hatred. I put the blame squarely on the Palestinians like Hamas who continue to mount terrorist attacks. If all Palestinians put down their weapons and accepted Israel's right to exist then the conflict would be over. A Nuclear Iran would further destabilize the Mideast unquestionably because the theocracy in Iran funds and supports radical Islamic terrorists everywhere - in the Mideast certainly but also all over the world. |
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