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Topic: Do flu shots give you the flu too?
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Tue 02/21/12 09:47 AM
Edited by Bushidobillyclub on Tue 02/21/12 09:57 AM
Anecdotes are great and all, but I wonder if any real data exists on this topic?

Here is some info.

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/vis/downloads/vis-flu.pdf

Apparently only 20% of people get the flu every year, so it would not be very surprising to find people who have not been infected for ~10 years . . .

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Tue 02/21/12 06:59 PM
Misconceptions about the flu shots

Can a flu shot give you the flu?

No, a flu shot cannot cause flu illness. The influenza viruses contained in a flu shot are inactivated (killed), which means they cannot cause infection. Flu vaccine manufacturers kill the viruses used in the vaccine during the process of making vaccine, and batches of flu vaccine are tested to make sure they are safe. In randomized, blinded studies, where some people get flu shots and others get salt-water shots, the only differences in symptoms was increased soreness in the arm and redness at the injection site among people who got the flu shot. There were no differences in terms of body aches, fever, cough, runny nose or sore throat.

http://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/qa/misconceptions.htm

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Wed 02/22/12 12:32 AM
you cant go wrong listening to government agencys

i mean we pay for them right

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TnAohnAr2fQ

http://www.fluoridealert.org/50-reasons.htm


Monsanto's GMO Corn Linked To Organ Failure, Study Reveals

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/01/12/monsantos-gmo-corn-linked_n_420365.html

Disturbing questions remain about GM flax contamination

http://www.non-gmoreport.com/articles/may10/gm_flax_contamination.php

Mercury in Soda Pop?

http://www.natmedtalk.com/showthread.php?t=3695

dont worry were your government

and were here to help

Discovery documents from the lawsuit against the FDA, Alliance for Bio-Integrity et al v. Shalala, May
1998. Center for Food Safety, 666 Pennsylvania Ave SE, Washington, DC 202-547-935

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Wed 02/22/12 02:40 AM

Misconceptions about the flu shots

Can a flu shot give you the flu?

No, a flu shot cannot cause flu illness. The influenza viruses contained in a flu shot are inactivated (killed), which means they cannot cause infection. Flu vaccine manufacturers kill the viruses used in the vaccine during the process of making vaccine, and batches of flu vaccine are tested to make sure they are safe. In randomized, blinded studies, where some people get flu shots and others get salt-water shots, the only differences in symptoms was increased soreness in the arm and redness at the injection site among people who got the flu shot. There were no differences in terms of body aches, fever, cough, runny nose or sore throat.

http://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/qa/misconceptions.htm

hmmmm....wonder why I haven't had the flu since I quit getting the shot, about 15 years ago huh

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Wed 02/22/12 02:03 PM
Because you didn't get infected by one of the flu virus strains I suppose...

drinker


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Wed 02/22/12 02:07 PM

Anecdotes are great and all, but I wonder if any real data exists on this topic?

Here is some info.

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/vis/downloads/vis-flu.pdf

Apparently only 20% of people get the flu every year, so it would not be very surprising to find people who have not been infected for ~10 years . . .


That is interesting that only 20% get the flu shots. I think there are only a handful of us that haven't had the flue for over 10 years aand in my case its been close to 30 years.

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Wed 02/22/12 03:52 PM
I've never had the flu shot. I'm sure, in a few years time, the government will find some way to force us to have it. DOH!!

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Thu 02/23/12 12:30 AM
I started getting annual flu shots 20 years ago and haven't gotten the flu once since!

drinker

Shy_Emo_chick's photo
Thu 02/23/12 01:22 AM
Why put some of it in the injection, when it's the very thing you're trying to avoid? It doesn't make sense.

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Thu 02/23/12 08:09 AM

Why put some of it in the injection, when it's the very thing you're trying to avoid? It doesn't make sense.


There was some research done into the flu shots and it was found most are not affective. I always thought there were more of a placebo actually. I found this interesting article about how the flu shots were not only out of date but really don't work. Lets all consider that the pharmaceutical companies are making a lot of money with a "one size fits all" flu shot. How can one flu shot affect all of us the same way? Its simple; it doesn't which I find very dangerous. It would be like me taking someone else's medication without knowing how it will affect me. I don't think any meds should be injected into a body without knowing how it will affect you. This site is an interesting read actually.

http://naturalhealthdossier.com/2012/01/flu-shots-only-good-for-big-business/

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Thu 02/23/12 09:30 AM

I started getting annual flu shots 20 years ago and haven't gotten the flu once since!

drinker


I don't get flu shots and haven't had the flu in years.

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Thu 02/23/12 12:33 PM


I started getting annual flu shots 20 years ago and haven't gotten the flu once since!

drinker


I don't get flu shots and haven't had the flu in years.


Same here; no shots and no flue in 30 years. :thumbsup:

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Thu 02/23/12 01:00 PM
I haven't had ANY shots in AT LEAST 20 years (with the exception of a Tetanus shot LONG ago) and other than a cold once in a blue moon I never catch anything. For that matter, I never even go to doctors for ANYTHING (except for when I got that Tetanus shot and had metal removed from my eyeball).

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Thu 02/23/12 05:12 PM
When a person is exposed to a disease-causing germ, the immune system attempts to mount a defense against it. When the defense is successful, immunity results. When the defense is not successful, an encounter with the bacteria or virus can result in disease and its consequences. In the process of developing immunity, the body produces substances known as antibodies against a specific germ and creates a “memory” of this experience that can be called upon for protection, when needed, many months or years later. The next time the person encounters that germ, the antibodies that circulate in the bloodstream prevent it from causing disease, or decrease the disease’s severity, and eliminate the germ from the body.
This is why a child who has had measles, for example, is unlikely to develop the disease again. The immune system has memory. The next time the child encounters the measles virus, the antibodies created during the previous infection are ready to neutralize and destroy the virus before it has a chance to cause sickness again. Medical experts estimate that the immune system can recognize and effectively combat hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of different organisms.1
A vaccine works in a similar way. However, instead of suffering the natural infection and risking its consequences in order to develop this protective immunity, a vaccine creates a similar immune protection without the recipient experiencing the disease. Regardless of the way that a vaccine is made—whether it contains an inactivated (killed) germ, a greatly weakened form of the germ, or a purified component of the virus or bacteria—it engages the immune system to create immunity and to prepare to fight off an infection whenever it is encountered.
Types of Vaccines
Vaccines can be developed in four different ways by using:
● Live bacteria or viruses that have been altered so that they cannot cause disease
● Killed bacteria or inactivated viruses
● Toxoids (bacterial toxins that have been made harmless)
● Purified parts of bacteria or viruses
Live attenuated vaccines are derived from the naturally occurring germ. They can sometimes cause a mild infection, but most people do not get the disease or its symptoms. In very rare instances, people can become sick from the weakened germ, although the illness is usually milder than what would occur if that person caught the natural disease. Because people with weakened immune systems are not able to fight off bacteria and viruses, live attenuated vaccines are not given to them.

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Thu 02/23/12 07:34 PM
im not saying that vaccines dont work

but there are toxins put in vaccines to make you sicker

its like when they put mercury in fillings or lead in paint

bpa in plastic or fluoride in water

your immune system cant fight off gmos

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Thu 02/23/12 09:16 PM
skip to the first 90 seconds 1:22


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6TyIpKn_bk&feature=related

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Fri 02/24/12 10:52 AM
Edited by Bushidobillyclub on Fri 02/24/12 10:57 AM
Actually its 10-20% of the human population gets the flu every year. Statistically its just not surprising that folks have not gotten the flu for 10-20-30 years.

Just not surprising and without any need to imagine some conspiracy.

In fact it might be rare, but there might be people who have never got the flu their entire lives.

It is also true that many thousands of people die every year from the flu and if there immune system had been prepped with a flu vaccine they would have had a better chance of survival.

Its not rocket surgery after all . . .

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Fri 02/24/12 12:54 PM

Actually its 10-20% of the human population gets the flu every year. Statistically its just not surprising that folks have not gotten the flu for 10-20-30 years.

Just not surprising and without any need to imagine some conspiracy.

In fact it might be rare, but there might be people who have never got the flu their entire lives.

It is also true that many thousands of people die every year from the flu and if there immune system had been prepped with a flu vaccine they would have had a better chance of survival.

Its not rocket surgery after all . . .


drinker

The CDC is IN on it!

laugh

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Fri 02/24/12 04:24 PM
I started taking the shot 3 years ago due to a compromised immune system.


I have never had the flu and don't want to.

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