I concur with this..and I am a Catholic or at least I was brought up a Catholic.

I agree that churches should not 'control' health care for women

I just dont think thats the issue

Just like, in general, I cant keep people from using vulgarity

but in MY HOME, I can certainly choose not to accept those who do

and people can go to any number of other homes or environments and feel free to curse all they want, so I in no way am CONTROLLING that option beyond the borders of MY own property,,,


similarly, IF an institution is funded and owned by a church, I think that church should be able to decide what procedures or drugs it will promote,,,,, as opposed to public or government supported institutions,,,

I disagree as a non practicing Catholic. If the Hospital is run by the Church and it is against their beliefs they should not be forced to perform it. People can choose another hospital. Apparently the government agrees as I was informed they changed that ruling this morning.

What I agreed with was......Health care for women should not be controlled by the Catholic Church.

At this side of the world we do not have hospitals run by churches.

Well here we do. It is not that churches say women can't do that. It is that they say we don't want to do that at our hospitals. Like I said earlier there is a Catholic Hospital in my town that says it will close down if that law is passed. Some people take it very seriously.

I can't comment on The Catholic Church Hospitals in America.

America could do with The UK system...its Brilliant

And I believe That France has an even Better System.

And be even more in the red and have the government running more stuff? No thanks. They have already proved they can't handle the stuff they do have.

Think about it. Since most Catholic women use birth control is this mandate for Catholics or against Catholics?

Does anybody know the true reason as to why the Catholic church started being against contraception? Hint: A growing Catholic family means a growing Catholic church.

It's a complicated situation. One of the universities in my city is a Catholic university. It's ranked as one of the top research institutions in the nation. It's affiliated with St. Louis University Hospital and Cardinal Glennon Children's Hospital. Cardinal Glennon has a Pediatric Research Institute. It also has a campus in Madrid with about 600-700 students. The tuition for the university is $27,000/year for undergraduates.

Wiki: SLU's athletic teams compete in NCAA's Division I and the Atlantic 10 Conference. It has a current enrollment of 13,785 students representing all 50 states and more than 77 foreign countries.

These hospitals and this university employ quite a few people in my city. Scientists work in the research institutes. When I was living in a dorm on a college campus, I was able to pay monthly to be able to use the medical facility on campus. Now add how many students attend the college to the situation. I can't imagine that many women not being able to receive birth control from their health insurance. This is not about insurance at churches. It goes further than that - universities and hospitals.

Also, these hospitals accept Medicaid and Medicare - our tax dollars.

Gen. 38:8 Then Judah said to Onan, 'Go in to your brother's wife and perform the duty of a brother-in-law to her; raise up offspring for your brother.' 9 But since Onan knew that the offspring would not be his, he spilled his semen on the ground whenever he went in to see his brother's wife, so that he would not give offspring to his brother. 10 What he did was displeasing in the sight of the Lord, and he put him to death also.

I think it has to do with this. Though that makes me question if the Church says I should bone my sister in law if her husband dies or something.

and getting as broke as it is "Brilliant"!

The World is Broke ....but you already knew that

Socialized medicine does not work....for long...

The new change would allow employers that have religious objections to offering contraception as part of their health plans to turn the responsibility over to insurance companies instead.

As a result, "nurses, teachers, janitors and others" who work for religious-based hospitals, universities and social service agencies "will still have access" to contraception without having to pay a copay or deductible, a senior administration official told reporters on a conference call Friday morning.

Sister Carol Keehan, president of the Catholic Health Association, which oversees more than 600 Catholic hospitals, praised the change in a statement.
"We are pleased and grateful that the religious liberty and conscience protection needs of so many ministries that serve our country were appreciated enough that an early resolution of this issue was accomplished," she said. "The unity of Catholic organizations in addressing this concern was a sign of its importance."

I am a bit confused about the difference.

It has always been the Insurance company's responsibility I thought. How does an employer offer a health plan without an insurance company?

And I too object to the misleading title to this thread that states that Obama is against Catholics.

That's ridiculous.

I think the problem comes in when the hospital is a business. Which they are.

I like some of the things Obama is doing for this country. Because of a new law, I am now able to get set up to accept credit cards without paying ridiculous amounts of money to a third party bank.

Another one of Obama's great contributions to our economy. Now a tiny business or an artist can afford to accept credit cards.

Yay for Obama!!

Good to hear.

But if the hospital gets any federal money, they are not independent, they are public and subject to government requirements.