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Newt Was For Obamacare In 2009 (VIDEO)
January 30, 2012 By Wendy Gittleson By now, it’s old news that Newt Gingrich had been for a healthcare plan similar to the Affordable Health Insurance Plan (aka, Obamacare) for a long time. What hasn’t been widely reported is that Gingrich was literally for Obamacare while it was being debated in 2009. Politico uncovered these quotes: The good thing is that, unlike the Hillarycare process of 1993, we don’t have 500 people in a room hiding in a room trying to write the magic bill that’s gonna go through on an up or down vote. We actually have a process underway where lots and lots of different players have a real opportunity to have input. And I think in that sense this is already a healthier process than we saw in 1993, and a more open process. So much for the Fox talking point that it was all done in hidden back room deals. On the mandate: We believe that there should be must carry – that is, everybody should either have health insurance or if you’re an absolute libertarian, we would allow you to post a bond, but we would not allow people to be free riders failing to insure themselves and then showing up at the emergency room with no means of payment. On the bill itself: This is “the kind of general model we’re going to be advocating.” http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/01/30/newt-was-for-obamacare-in-2009-video/ 
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Newt Was For Obamacare In 2009 (VIDEO) January 30, 2012 By Wendy Gittleson By now, it’s old news that Newt Gingrich had been for a healthcare plan similar to the Affordable Health Insurance Plan (aka, Obamacare) for a long time. What hasn’t been widely reported is that Gingrich was literally for Obamacare while it was being debated in 2009. Politico uncovered these quotes: The good thing is that, unlike the Hillarycare process of 1993, we don’t have 500 people in a room hiding in a room trying to write the magic bill that’s gonna go through on an up or down vote. We actually have a process underway where lots and lots of different players have a real opportunity to have input. And I think in that sense this is already a healthier process than we saw in 1993, and a more open process. So much for the Fox talking point that it was all done in hidden back room deals. On the mandate: We believe that there should be must carry – that is, everybody should either have health insurance or if you’re an absolute libertarian, we would allow you to post a bond, but we would not allow people to be free riders failing to insure themselves and then showing up at the emergency room with no means of payment. On the bill itself: This is “the kind of general model we’re going to be advocating.” http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/01/30/newt-was-for-obamacare-in-2009-video/ the latter is my opinion as well in a country where emergency care is mandated, I think its reasonable for insurance ( a means of payment) to also be mandated,,, |
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If I am in a car accident, I have it written I do not want to be life-lited anywhere. You are taking me by ambulance, if I die on the way there so be it. I, also have a right not call someone to help me. I don't have to pick up a phone and call anyone. I don't want mandated insurance if i don't want it.....period. But if I choose that's okay. I don't want anyone telling me I have to have it. tem telling me I have to have it is the hypocrisy.
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Dragoness
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Mon 01/30/12 06:52 PM
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You can have mandated insurance and still refuse services whenever you want.
Actually some of the right wingers would prefer you die from refusing services, it is cheaper for us. But unlike them I want the services you do want to be covered by a plan before you need them because that is cheaper for all of us. |
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You can have mandated insurance and still refuse services whenever you want. Actually some of the right wingers would prefer you die from refusing services, it is cheaper for us. But unlike them I want the services you do want to be covered by a plan before you need them because that is cheaper for all of us. Not really requiring insurance, making doctors medicaid and reduce the cost to the state and fed. government for the insurance actually increased the costs for medical care making it unaffordable without insurance.....if there were no insurance at all and everyone paid fair prices out of pocket expense and payment plans directly to the doctors the fees wouldn't be so high. It would be affordable. |
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This country doesn't need mandated insurance.
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This country doesn't need mandated insurance. Yea it does and it already has it in lots of areas. Car insurance Home insurance Renters insurance is even becoming mandatory at apartments, they put it in the lease now. Business insurances--all of them It makes it cheaper for the whole country for everyone to have insurance. |
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This country doesn't need mandated insurance. Yea it does and it already has it in lots of areas. Car insurance Home insurance Renters insurance is even becoming mandatory at apartments, they put it in the lease now. Business insurances--all of them It makes it cheaper for the whole country for everyone to have insurance. Your brainwashed....it makes it more expensive for the people of the country and easier for politicians to become rich off of kickbacks to require insurance. |
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Bravalady
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Mon 01/30/12 10:44 PM
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Newt Was For Obamacare In 2009 (VIDEO) January 30, 2012 By Wendy Gittleson By now, it’s old news that Newt Gingrich had been for a healthcare plan similar to the Affordable Health Insurance Plan (aka, Obamacare) for a long time. What hasn’t been widely reported is that Gingrich was literally for Obamacare while it was being debated in 2009. Politico uncovered these quotes: The good thing is that, unlike the Hillarycare process of 1993, we don’t have 500 people in a room hiding in a room trying to write the magic bill that’s gonna go through on an up or down vote. We actually have a process underway where lots and lots of different players have a real opportunity to have input. And I think in that sense this is already a healthier process than we saw in 1993, and a more open process. So much for the Fox talking point that it was all done in hidden back room deals. On the mandate: We believe that there should be must carry – that is, everybody should either have health insurance or if you’re an absolute libertarian, we would allow you to post a bond, but we would not allow people to be free riders failing to insure themselves and then showing up at the emergency room with no means of payment. On the bill itself: This is “the kind of general model we’re going to be advocating.” http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/01/30/newt-was-for-obamacare-in-2009-video/ the latter is my opinion as well in a country where emergency care is mandated, I think its reasonable for insurance ( a means of payment) to also be mandated,,, Please pardon my rudeness. this is false reasoning. Emergency care is not mandated... I am not REQUIRED to get emergency care if I don't want it. A hospital is required to treat me (indeed humanity would suffer if they did not). But I am not required to SEEK TREATMENT. SO why then should I be REQUIRED to purchase insurance? |
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Newt Was For Obamacare In 2009 (VIDEO) January 30, 2012 By Wendy Gittleson By now, it’s old news that Newt Gingrich had been for a healthcare plan similar to the Affordable Health Insurance Plan (aka, Obamacare) for a long time. What hasn’t been widely reported is that Gingrich was literally for Obamacare while it was being debated in 2009. Politico uncovered these quotes: The good thing is that, unlike the Hillarycare process of 1993, we don’t have 500 people in a room hiding in a room trying to write the magic bill that’s gonna go through on an up or down vote. We actually have a process underway where lots and lots of different players have a real opportunity to have input. And I think in that sense this is already a healthier process than we saw in 1993, and a more open process. So much for the Fox talking point that it was all done in hidden back room deals. On the mandate: We believe that there should be must carry – that is, everybody should either have health insurance or if you’re an absolute libertarian, we would allow you to post a bond, but we would not allow people to be free riders failing to insure themselves and then showing up at the emergency room with no means of payment. On the bill itself: This is “the kind of general model we’re going to be advocating.” http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/01/30/newt-was-for-obamacare-in-2009-video/ the latter is my opinion as well in a country where emergency care is mandated, I think its reasonable for insurance ( a means of payment) to also be mandated,,, Please pardon my rudeness. this is false reasoning. Emergency care is not mandated... I am not REQUIRED to get emergency care if I don't want it. A hospital is required to treat me (indeed humanity would suffer if they did not). But I am not required to SEEK TREATMENT. SO why then should I be REQUIRED to purchase insurance? thats kind of my point, the patient is not MANDATED to seek care, but in an emergency , the hospital IS mandated to give it despite the costs the day hospitals can turn away emergency patients for inability to pay , should be the day potential patients shouldnt HAVE to have insurance but as it stands, the hospitals eat alot of cost because they treat so many with no way to pay,,,,and they recoup those costs in many ways from those who are the more customers you have for a product, the lower you can afford to charge,,,,,the fewer customers, the more you have to charge,,, |
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Newt Was For Obamacare In 2009 (VIDEO) January 30, 2012 By Wendy Gittleson By now, it’s old news that Newt Gingrich had been for a healthcare plan similar to the Affordable Health Insurance Plan (aka, Obamacare) for a long time. What hasn’t been widely reported is that Gingrich was literally for Obamacare while it was being debated in 2009. Politico uncovered these quotes: The good thing is that, unlike the Hillarycare process of 1993, we don’t have 500 people in a room hiding in a room trying to write the magic bill that’s gonna go through on an up or down vote. We actually have a process underway where lots and lots of different players have a real opportunity to have input. And I think in that sense this is already a healthier process than we saw in 1993, and a more open process. So much for the Fox talking point that it was all done in hidden back room deals. On the mandate: We believe that there should be must carry – that is, everybody should either have health insurance or if you’re an absolute libertarian, we would allow you to post a bond, but we would not allow people to be free riders failing to insure themselves and then showing up at the emergency room with no means of payment. On the bill itself: This is “the kind of general model we’re going to be advocating.” http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/01/30/newt-was-for-obamacare-in-2009-video/ the latter is my opinion as well in a country where emergency care is mandated, I think its reasonable for insurance ( a means of payment) to also be mandated,,, Please pardon my rudeness. this is false reasoning. Emergency care is not mandated... I am not REQUIRED to get emergency care if I don't want it. A hospital is required to treat me (indeed humanity would suffer if they did not). But I am not required to SEEK TREATMENT. SO why then should I be REQUIRED to purchase insurance? thats kind of my point, the patient is not MANDATED to seek care, but in an emergency , the hospital IS mandated to give it despite the costs the day hospitals can turn away emergency patients for inability to pay , should be the day potential patients shouldnt HAVE to have insurance but as it stands, the hospitals eat alot of cost because they treat so many with no way to pay,,,,and they recoup those costs in many ways from those who are the more customers you have for a product, the lower you can afford to charge,,,,,the fewer customers, the more you have to charge,,, But the truth is... Like car insurance. Once the government MANDATES it... The price goes up... Cause the 'client' base is assured. Therefore the companies that have the 'mandated' product have a CAPTIVE client and will charge as much for the product as they feel is necessary to fill their pockets. UNENTENDED CONSEQUENCES... (or was this the end game all along). |
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Newt Was For Obamacare In 2009 (VIDEO) January 30, 2012 By Wendy Gittleson By now, it’s old news that Newt Gingrich had been for a healthcare plan similar to the Affordable Health Insurance Plan (aka, Obamacare) for a long time. What hasn’t been widely reported is that Gingrich was literally for Obamacare while it was being debated in 2009. Politico uncovered these quotes: The good thing is that, unlike the Hillarycare process of 1993, we don’t have 500 people in a room hiding in a room trying to write the magic bill that’s gonna go through on an up or down vote. We actually have a process underway where lots and lots of different players have a real opportunity to have input. And I think in that sense this is already a healthier process than we saw in 1993, and a more open process. So much for the Fox talking point that it was all done in hidden back room deals. On the mandate: We believe that there should be must carry – that is, everybody should either have health insurance or if you’re an absolute libertarian, we would allow you to post a bond, but we would not allow people to be free riders failing to insure themselves and then showing up at the emergency room with no means of payment. On the bill itself: This is “the kind of general model we’re going to be advocating.” http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/01/30/newt-was-for-obamacare-in-2009-video/ the latter is my opinion as well in a country where emergency care is mandated, I think its reasonable for insurance ( a means of payment) to also be mandated,,, Please pardon my rudeness. this is false reasoning. Emergency care is not mandated... I am not REQUIRED to get emergency care if I don't want it. A hospital is required to treat me (indeed humanity would suffer if they did not). But I am not required to SEEK TREATMENT. SO why then should I be REQUIRED to purchase insurance? thats kind of my point, the patient is not MANDATED to seek care, but in an emergency , the hospital IS mandated to give it despite the costs the day hospitals can turn away emergency patients for inability to pay , should be the day potential patients shouldnt HAVE to have insurance but as it stands, the hospitals eat alot of cost because they treat so many with no way to pay,,,,and they recoup those costs in many ways from those who are the more customers you have for a product, the lower you can afford to charge,,,,,the fewer customers, the more you have to charge,,, But the truth is... Like car insurance. Once the government MANDATES it... The price goes up... Cause the 'client' base is assured. Therefore the companies that have the 'mandated' product have a CAPTIVE client and will charge as much for the product as they feel is necessary to fill their pockets. UNENTENDED CONSEQUENCES... (or was this the end game all along). I dont consider it so assured, as, like vehicle insurance, there are exceptions permitted based upon income,,,,and, unlike car insurance, the likely 'penalty' is a fine as opposed to perhaps losing a car or a license to drive and more people will probably be willing to pay such fine than would be willing to lose their car or ability to drive,,, |
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Newt Was For Obamacare In 2009 (VIDEO) January 30, 2012 By Wendy Gittleson By now, it’s old news that Newt Gingrich had been for a healthcare plan similar to the Affordable Health Insurance Plan (aka, Obamacare) for a long time. What hasn’t been widely reported is that Gingrich was literally for Obamacare while it was being debated in 2009. Politico uncovered these quotes: The good thing is that, unlike the Hillarycare process of 1993, we don’t have 500 people in a room hiding in a room trying to write the magic bill that’s gonna go through on an up or down vote. We actually have a process underway where lots and lots of different players have a real opportunity to have input. And I think in that sense this is already a healthier process than we saw in 1993, and a more open process. So much for the Fox talking point that it was all done in hidden back room deals. On the mandate: We believe that there should be must carry – that is, everybody should either have health insurance or if you’re an absolute libertarian, we would allow you to post a bond, but we would not allow people to be free riders failing to insure themselves and then showing up at the emergency room with no means of payment. On the bill itself: This is “the kind of general model we’re going to be advocating.” http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/01/30/newt-was-for-obamacare-in-2009-video/ the latter is my opinion as well in a country where emergency care is mandated, I think its reasonable for insurance ( a means of payment) to also be mandated,,, Please pardon my rudeness. this is false reasoning. Emergency care is not mandated... I am not REQUIRED to get emergency care if I don't want it. A hospital is required to treat me (indeed humanity would suffer if they did not). But I am not required to SEEK TREATMENT. SO why then should I be REQUIRED to purchase insurance? thats kind of my point, the patient is not MANDATED to seek care, but in an emergency , the hospital IS mandated to give it despite the costs the day hospitals can turn away emergency patients for inability to pay , should be the day potential patients shouldnt HAVE to have insurance but as it stands, the hospitals eat alot of cost because they treat so many with no way to pay,,,,and they recoup those costs in many ways from those who are the more customers you have for a product, the lower you can afford to charge,,,,,the fewer customers, the more you have to charge,,, But the truth is... Like car insurance. Once the government MANDATES it... The price goes up... Cause the 'client' base is assured. Therefore the companies that have the 'mandated' product have a CAPTIVE client and will charge as much for the product as they feel is necessary to fill their pockets. UNENTENDED CONSEQUENCES... (or was this the end game all along). I dont consider it so assured, as, like vehicle insurance, there are exceptions permitted based upon income,,,,and, unlike car insurance, the likely 'penalty' is a fine as opposed to perhaps losing a car or a license to drive and more people will probably be willing to pay such fine than would be willing to lose their car or ability to drive,,, No exceptions in any state I have ever lived in. I did the math once. You could insure every driver in the US with FULL COVERAGE for 9 dollars a month. AND STILL HAVE A 400 PERCENT PROFIT MARGIN. Insurance is a form of Usury. and should be outlawed. It holds the insured in thrall. |
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