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Topic: Wikipedia Protest: Websites Plan Jan 18 Shutdown Over SOPA
Kleisto Joined Tue 05/13/08 Posts: 5704	Thu 01/19/12 07:56 PM
even educated guesses are predictions, but those people can label those guesses 'knowledge' as much as I can my religious beliefs,, I guess I know, that in my park, in the ten years before I was accosted, noone had been in that park that educated guess I made, that day, that I wouldnt be attacked was not KNOWLEDGE after all, because I was I remember similar fear around the attempts to 'censor' child pornography and music and video pirating yet, the internet is more abundant with information and misinformation than ever, porn is just as accessible, and so is music and video its much ado about nothing,,from where I sit You won't be saying that if this goes through I can assure you. And you do realize as much music and video is accessible, things and even complete sites (Megaupload was raided today by the government for example), do get targeted still. So censorship even if not in a complete form is very very much present on the net like it or not.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Thu 01/19/12 08:10 PM
even educated guesses are predictions, but those people can label those guesses 'knowledge' as much as I can my religious beliefs,, I guess I know, that in my park, in the ten years before I was accosted, noone had been in that park that educated guess I made, that day, that I wouldnt be attacked was not KNOWLEDGE after all, because I was I remember similar fear around the attempts to 'censor' child pornography and music and video pirating yet, the internet is more abundant with information and misinformation than ever, porn is just as accessible, and so is music and video its much ado about nothing,,from where I sit You won't be saying that if this goes through I can assure you. And you do realize as much music and video is accessible, things and even complete sites (Megaupload was raided today by the government for example), do get targeted still. So censorship even if not in a complete form is very very much present on the net like it or not. doesnt bother me, I Really am not upset that one cd cant be purchased for 10 bucks and duplicated for two thousand people for free there are bigger things to fear, in my personal opinion

Kleisto Joined Tue 05/13/08 Posts: 5704	Fri 01/20/12 04:34 AM
even educated guesses are predictions, but those people can label those guesses 'knowledge' as much as I can my religious beliefs,, I guess I know, that in my park, in the ten years before I was accosted, noone had been in that park that educated guess I made, that day, that I wouldnt be attacked was not KNOWLEDGE after all, because I was I remember similar fear around the attempts to 'censor' child pornography and music and video pirating yet, the internet is more abundant with information and misinformation than ever, porn is just as accessible, and so is music and video its much ado about nothing,,from where I sit You won't be saying that if this goes through I can assure you. And you do realize as much music and video is accessible, things and even complete sites (Megaupload was raided today by the government for example), do get targeted still. So censorship even if not in a complete form is very very much present on the net like it or not. doesnt bother me, I Really am not upset that one cd cant be purchased for 10 bucks and duplicated for two thousand people for free there are bigger things to fear, in my personal opinion Except it's going to be FAR BIGGER than just "one cd". But I suppose you'll have to learn the hard way. (sigh) I've said it before, I'll say it again, careful what you wish for, you just might get it.

Ladylid2012 Joined Sun 07/05/09 Posts: 42269	Fri 01/20/12 05:31 AM
https://rt.com/usa/news/hollywood-obama-sopa-support-229/ Now Hollywood is pissed..... See, this is part of the problem, those who dumped money into Obama's last campaign want what they want!!! And who owns Hollywood??? Dare I say??? We should ALL be asking our candidates.. "what do your supporters want in return for their contributions?" The bigwigs in Hollywood have NO problem seeing any of us locked up and or fined, they could give a rats *** about us as long as we keep renting, buying and going to the theaters to see movies. Occupy Hollywood??

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Fri 01/20/12 07:19 AM
even educated guesses are predictions, but those people can label those guesses 'knowledge' as much as I can my religious beliefs,, I guess I know, that in my park, in the ten years before I was accosted, noone had been in that park that educated guess I made, that day, that I wouldnt be attacked was not KNOWLEDGE after all, because I was I remember similar fear around the attempts to 'censor' child pornography and music and video pirating yet, the internet is more abundant with information and misinformation than ever, porn is just as accessible, and so is music and video its much ado about nothing,,from where I sit You won't be saying that if this goes through I can assure you. And you do realize as much music and video is accessible, things and even complete sites (Megaupload was raided today by the government for example), do get targeted still. So censorship even if not in a complete form is very very much present on the net like it or not. doesnt bother me, I Really am not upset that one cd cant be purchased for 10 bucks and duplicated for two thousand people for free there are bigger things to fear, in my personal opinion Except it's going to be FAR BIGGER than just "one cd". But I suppose you'll have to learn the hard way. (sigh) I've said it before, I'll say it again, careful what you wish for, you just might get it. Ive had it, before widespread internet and cable access, when I actually had to PAY for things people took effort to produce,,, lol

comfydarkcorner Joined Thu 01/19/12 Posts: 31	Sat 01/21/12 11:01 AM
the offensive censorship aside, the major problem is not the protection of rights the bill would potentially provide, but what would happen to the affiliate sites. the bill states that it would empower the government to shut don any site that is linked to a site that is suspected of advocating piracy. Google, yahoo, youtube, and wikipedia are the sites that 99.9 percent of internet users in the U.S. use to access other sites, including mingle. due to the fact that google is linked to nearly every site you can use to "infringe upon intellectual property", it would be shut down, and all the words anyone says here wont mean squat, because without these sites almost nobody will ever find this site. we need to protect these resources , which are not only used to break the law, but also to stay connected with friends and loved ones, get answers to questions they may have, meet new people, find jobs, learn new things intentionally or not, or to post opinions for the entertainment or education of complete strangers. well, there is the option for GOOGLE, YAHOO, and YOUTUBE to cease from linking to the offending site to avoid being 'shut down', they sure do it on AOL when people dont pay their dues, IM sure these mega domains will be able to adjust when people are breaking the law,, if you'd do a little research you'd find out that google can only keep up with about 12% of its source links, and that is just making sure the sites they link to are still running.they would be in constant violation due to the fact that hundreds of new piracy sites crop up every day, not to mention the many thousands that are out there now. the time it would take to carefully scrutinize each and ever site is so huge, that google would have to employ 70% of the us to monitor everything. the government cant keep online piracy from happening either, because they don't have the manpower. the only option they have is to hit the targets they can see and hope it affects the ones they can't. its like guerrilla warfare. if you poison a well, your enemies cant use it, but neither can you ps thanks for the welcome massagetrade, makes me feel good to know somebody out there chats for the interaction and not just to gratify their own ego.

comfydarkcorner Joined Thu 01/19/12 Posts: 31	Sat 01/21/12 11:16 AM
even educated guesses are predictions, but those people can label those guesses 'knowledge' as much as I can my religious beliefs,, I guess I know, that in my park, in the ten years before I was accosted, noone had been in that park that educated guess I made, that day, that I wouldnt be attacked was not KNOWLEDGE after all, because I was I remember similar fear around the attempts to 'censor' child pornography and music and video pirating yet, the internet is more abundant with information and misinformation than ever, porn is just as accessible, and so is music and video its much ado about nothing,,from where I sit You won't be saying that if this goes through I can assure you. And you do realize as much music and video is accessible, things and even complete sites (Megaupload was raided today by the government for example), do get targeted still. So censorship even if not in a complete form is very very much present on the net like it or not. doesnt bother me, I Really am not upset that one cd cant be purchased for 10 bucks and duplicated for two thousand people for free there are bigger things to fear, in my personal opinion Except it's going to be FAR BIGGER than just "one cd". But I suppose you'll have to learn the hard way. (sigh) I've said it before, I'll say it again, careful what you wish for, you just might get it. Ive had it, before widespread internet and cable access, when I actually had to PAY for things people took effort to produce,,, lol If you didnt want to pay for something back then, you didn't have to. people have been stealing other peoples ideas and property since time immemorial. the internet is just an accessory for theft, its not a requirement to commit it.

comfydarkcorner Joined Thu 01/19/12 Posts: 31	Sat 01/21/12 11:55 AM
https://rt.com/usa/news/hollywood-obama-sopa-support-229/ Now Hollywood is pissed..... See, this is part of the problem, those who dumped money into Obama's last campaign want what they want!!! And who owns Hollywood??? Dare I say??? We should ALL be asking our candidates.. "what do your supporters want in return for their contributions?" The bigwigs in Hollywood have NO problem seeing any of us locked up and or fined, they could give a rats *** about us as long as we keep renting, buying and going to the theaters to see movies. Occupy Hollywood?? might wanna rethink that comment about obama's campaign contributors Fox News, President Peter Chernin; Paramount Pictures, Chairman Brad Grey; Walt Disney, CEO Robert Igor; Sony Pictures, Chairman Michael Lynton; Warner Brothers, Chairman Barry Meyer; CBS, CEO Leslie Moonves; MGM, Chairman Harry Sloan; and NBC/Universal Studios, CEO Jeff Zucker. this is a list of the people that "own hollywood" and other primary media sources. not a single one of these people or companies contributed to obama's campaign, and a good quantity actually opposed him. however, you are correct in saying that they dont give a rats @$$ as long as we keep shoveling them money. also i fully support the idea of an occupation.

Ladylid2012 Joined Sun 07/05/09 Posts: 42269	Sat 01/21/12 12:03 PM
https://rt.com/usa/news/hollywood-obama-sopa-support-229/ Now Hollywood is pissed..... See, this is part of the problem, those who dumped money into Obama's last campaign want what they want!!! And who owns Hollywood??? Dare I say??? We should ALL be asking our candidates.. "what do your supporters want in return for their contributions?" The bigwigs in Hollywood have NO problem seeing any of us locked up and or fined, they could give a rats *** about us as long as we keep renting, buying and going to the theaters to see movies. Occupy Hollywood?? might wanna rethink that comment about obama's campaign contributors Fox News, President Peter Chernin; Paramount Pictures, Chairman Brad Grey; Walt Disney, CEO Robert Igor; Sony Pictures, Chairman Michael Lynton; Warner Brothers, Chairman Barry Meyer; CBS, CEO Leslie Moonves; MGM, Chairman Harry Sloan; and NBC/Universal Studios, CEO Jeff Zucker. this is a list of the people that "own hollywood" and other primary media sources. not a single one of these people or companies contributed to obama's campaign, and a good quantity actually opposed him. however, you are correct in saying that they dont give a rats @$$ as long as we keep shoveling them money. also i fully support the idea of an occupation. DreamWorks /CEO Jeffrey Katzenerg is one, there are more. The amount of contributors doesn't matter. Point is, they ALL take and those giving do have expectations. I've said it before, I don't care if they make money, I just don't like that they buy my government.

massagetrade Joined Thu 02/22/07 Posts: 8505	Sat 01/21/12 12:08 PM
if you'd do a little research you'd find out that google can only keep up with about 12% of its source links, and that is just making sure the sites they link to are still running.they would be in constant violation due to the fact that hundreds of new piracy sites crop up every day, not to mention the many thousands that are out there now. the time it would take to carefully scrutinize each and ever site is so huge, that google would have to employ 70% of the us to monitor everything. the government cant keep online piracy from happening either, because they don't have the manpower. the only option they have is to hit the targets they can see and hope it affects the ones they can't. its like guerrilla warfare. if you poison a well, your enemies cant use it, but neither can you Its true that this legislation would bring an unbearable burden to many sites to police the free speech of their users. The internet as a means of open communication would be dead. Its bad enough for the big companies with the deep pockets, but worse still is that fact that it would kill start-ups before they start. SOPA and PIPA may be dead, but now that we've seen how unscrupulous they are, we should keep a healthy distrust of all MPAA/RIAA sponsored bills in the future. ps thanks for the welcome massagetrade, makes me feel good to know somebody out there chats for the interaction and not just to gratify their own ego.

massagetrade Joined Thu 02/22/07 Posts: 8505	Sat 01/21/12 12:19 PM
https://rt.com/usa/news/hollywood-obama-sopa-support-229/ Now Hollywood is pissed..... See, this is part of the problem, those who dumped money into Obama's last campaign want what they want!!! And who owns Hollywood??? Dare I say??? We should ALL be asking our candidates.. "what do your supporters want in return for their contributions?" The bigwigs in Hollywood have NO problem seeing any of us locked up and or fined, they could give a rats *** about us as long as we keep renting, buying and going to the theaters to see movies. That link didn't work for me, but I found the same article: http://rt.com/usa/news/hollywood-obama-sopa-support-229/ The SOPA controversy is great, as should be removing any last doubts people have over just how corrupt our political process is - while also showing us that we can successfully fight against it. What our representatives really want is to be re-elected. Ultimately the voting public can seize more power back from the corrupt corporations that are buying off our representatives.

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Sat 01/21/12 01:37 PM Edited by Jeanniebean on Sat 01/21/12 01:38 PM
The SOPA controversy is great, as should be removing any last doubts people have over just how corrupt our political process is - while also showing us that we can successfully fight against it. I have no "last doubts" about how corrupt our political process is. "After US President Barack Obama demanded revamped provisions in the controversial Stop Online Piracy Act, or SOPA, Los Angeles film executives are rescinding their support of the commander-in-chief." Screw Hollywood. We elect a president to do a job, not to do our bidding. Why do people think they if they support a candidate that they should do as you say? Screw Hollywood.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Sat 01/21/12 01:43 PM
I Think its hard to grasp supporting someone who doesnt support ones personal opinions and priorities I think its kind of natural for people to assume they are supporting someone who is gonna do what is in THEIR interests but most lack the inner mirror to see that tendency in themself,,,

comfydarkcorner Joined Thu 01/19/12 Posts: 31	Sat 01/21/12 04:58 PM
https://rt.com/usa/news/hollywood-obama-sopa-support-229/ Now Hollywood is pissed..... See, this is part of the problem, those who dumped money into Obama's last campaign want what they want!!! And who owns Hollywood??? Dare I say??? We should ALL be asking our candidates.. "what do your supporters want in return for their contributions?" The bigwigs in Hollywood have NO problem seeing any of us locked up and or fined, they could give a rats *** about us as long as we keep renting, buying and going to the theaters to see movies. Occupy Hollywood?? might wanna rethink that comment about obama's campaign contributors Fox News, President Peter Chernin; Paramount Pictures, Chairman Brad Grey; Walt Disney, CEO Robert Igor; Sony Pictures, Chairman Michael Lynton; Warner Brothers, Chairman Barry Meyer; CBS, CEO Leslie Moonves; MGM, Chairman Harry Sloan; and NBC/Universal Studios, CEO Jeff Zucker. this is a list of the people that "own hollywood" and other primary media sources. not a single one of these people or companies contributed to obama's campaign, and a good quantity actually opposed him. however, you are correct in saying that they dont give a rats @$$ as long as we keep shoveling them money. also i fully support the idea of an occupation. DreamWorks /CEO Jeffrey Katzenerg is one, there are more. The amount of contributors doesn't matter. Point is, they ALL take and those giving do have expectations. I've said it before, I don't care if they make money, I just don't like that they buy my government. sorry, i wasn't trying to make it sound the way it did, i was trying to say obama has almost no real power in the matter, as a bill can only be veto'ed once. if the senate and house both pass the bill a second time, then regardless of what the prez sez, it is still signed into law. the real thing to worry about is how many representatives that hollywood has purchased the loyalty of. sorry for any confusion.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Sat 01/21/12 05:35 PM
the problem with the 'dilemma' is that there is such a broad list of 'supporters' that there is no doubt many that are in competing industries,,,, so the reps STILL arent being 'bought' in any absolute terms, because they cant possibly be catering to EVERY contributors requests

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Sat 01/21/12 05:35 PM
the problem with the 'dilemma' is that there is such a broad list of 'supporters' that there is no doubt many that are in competing industries,,,, so the reps STILL arent being 'bought' in any absolute terms, because they cant possibly be catering to EVERY contributors requests

comfydarkcorner Joined Thu 01/19/12 Posts: 31	Sat 01/21/12 06:42 PM
There are no "competitors" when it comes to legislation that benefits the entire group. the disney dosen't care if dreamworks gets revenue from the bill if they get a slice of the pie too. it's not about petty attempts to undercut you competitors, it's about increasing your bottom line no matter who you have to step on or help to do so.

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Sat 01/21/12 08:28 PM
The elite powers that be have been robbing people blind for years and now they can't stand the same treatment.

comfydarkcorner Joined Thu 01/19/12 Posts: 31	Sat 01/21/12 08:52 PM
amen!!!!

Ladylid2012 Joined Sun 07/05/09 Posts: 42269	Sat 01/21/12 09:05 PM
https://rt.com/usa/news/hollywood-obama-sopa-support-229/ Now Hollywood is pissed..... See, this is part of the problem, those who dumped money into Obama's last campaign want what they want!!! And who owns Hollywood??? Dare I say??? We should ALL be asking our candidates.. "what do your supporters want in return for their contributions?" The bigwigs in Hollywood have NO problem seeing any of us locked up and or fined, they could give a rats *** about us as long as we keep renting, buying and going to the theaters to see movies. Occupy Hollywood?? might wanna rethink that comment about obama's campaign contributors Fox News, President Peter Chernin; Paramount Pictures, Chairman Brad Grey; Walt Disney, CEO Robert Igor; Sony Pictures, Chairman Michael Lynton; Warner Brothers, Chairman Barry Meyer; CBS, CEO Leslie Moonves; MGM, Chairman Harry Sloan; and NBC/Universal Studios, CEO Jeff Zucker. this is a list of the people that "own hollywood" and other primary media sources. not a single one of these people or companies contributed to obama's campaign, and a good quantity actually opposed him. however, you are correct in saying that they dont give a rats @$$ as long as we keep shoveling them money. also i fully support the idea of an occupation. DreamWorks /CEO Jeffrey Katzenerg is one, there are more. The amount of contributors doesn't matter. Point is, they ALL take and those giving do have expectations. I've said it before, I don't care if they make money, I just don't like that they buy my government. sorry, i wasn't trying to make it sound the way it did, i was trying to say obama has almost no real power in the matter, as a bill can only be veto'ed once. if the senate and house both pass the bill a second time, then regardless of what the prez sez, it is still signed into law. the real thing to worry about is how many representatives that hollywood has purchased the loyalty of. sorry for any confusion. no problem... by 'own hollywood' i didn't really mean companies but...no matter.