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Topic: Mark Levin On "Crackpot" Ron Paul!
Lpdon's photo
Wed 12/28/11 11:30 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fi19kEYcZqY

Worth watching. Hard to dispute the facts and Mark's numerous valid points! :thumbsup:

Funny to hear RP babble and stutter!

Sojourning_Soul's photo
Thu 12/29/11 07:06 AM
Edited by Sojourning_Soul on Thu 12/29/11 07:19 AM
RP Babbles and stutters? They ALL do! At least his babbles and stutters defend the Constitution!

You want to use Mark Levin as a source of anything? This Pelosi lover?

Sorry, I value the Constitution as it is written, not as some "think" it should be written!

Despite the Constitution stating explicitly that President Obama is unlawful in ordering a strike on Libya without consulting Congress, Levin finds this contention “Absolutely ridiculous,” in the same way Pelosi asks “Are you serious?” of anyone who dares challenge Obamacare’s constitutionality. No doubt, both Levin and Pelosi rhetorically claim that they “support the Constitution,” but their personal, mostly imaginary constitutions are simply projections of what each respective liberal and neoconservative ideologue would like them to be, not necessarily what the Founders actually wrote and ratified.

For conservatives, such constitutional hypocrisy poses a crippling problem. American conservatives’ primary critique of today’s federal government is that most of what it does is not only intrusive, inefficient and expensive, but that if we were only to follow the Constitution again such statism would become a moot point. Liberals do not have this problem as their philosophy is based, in practical terms, on an ever expanding statism. Conservatives nearly uproot their entire argument for limited government, both domestic and foreign, when they concede the need for operating outside the Constitution in areas some right-wingers find necessary or desirable—per neoconservatives’ seemingly permanent push for perpetual war through unlimited Executive power.

But we either have a Constitution or we do not—and if we do not, as both Pelosi and Levin unwittingly concede from their own perspectives, there truly is no definable limit as to what destruction of liberty or imposition of tyranny our federal government is capable of.

Taken from http://www.theamericanconservative.com/blog/2011/03/28/mark-levins-constitution/

msharmony's photo
Thu 12/29/11 07:16 AM
The constitution doesnt cover committing troops, besides that the Commander in Chief is in charge of just that

the constitution covers declaring 'war', which I dont believe OBama did,,,,,

Sojourning_Soul's photo
Thu 12/29/11 07:30 AM
Edited by Sojourning_Soul on Thu 12/29/11 07:33 AM
There hasn't been a war declared since WW2, yet 1000's have died, many 1000's more wounded and maimed....For OUR liberty and freedom?

It's MADNESS, to promote special interests and campaign contributers agendas! This was best described in the quote by Mjr Gen Smedley Butler Retired USMC.... If we don't call it "war" it's excusable?

The very idea of this madness is the point RP is making! The very reason they don't want him elected! It cuts the head off the monster we call "The War Machine"! This machine can only operate by destroying the freedoms of the people to oppose them!

How much brain power and insight does it take to see the madness, how much courage to speak out against it, how many freedoms do we give up to allow it to continue?....we don't have many freedoms left to give!


Two-Time Congressional Medal of Honor Recipient
Major General Smedley D. Butler - USMC Retired


One of Butler's most widely quoted statements:

"I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and during that period I spent most of my time as a high class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism. I helped make Mexico and especially Tampico safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefit of Wall Street. I helped purify Nicaragua for the International Banking House of Brown Brothers in 1902-1912. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for the American sugar interests in 1916. I helped make Honduras right for the American fruit companies in 1903. In China in 1927 I helped see to it that Standard Oil went on its way unmolested. Looking back on it, I might have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents."

msharmony's photo
Thu 12/29/11 07:33 AM


There hasn't been a war declared since WW2, yet 1000's have died, many 1000's more wounded and maimed....For OUR liberty and freedom?

It's MADNESS, to promote special interests and campaign contributers agendas! This was best described in the quote by Mjr Gen Smedley Butler Retired USMC.... If we don't call it "war" it's excusable?

The very idea of this madness is the point RP is making! The very reason they don't want him elected! It cuts the head off the monster we call "The War Machine"! This machine can only operate by destroying the freedoms of the people to oppose them!

How much brain power and insight does it take to see the madness, how much courage to speak out against it, how many freedoms do we give up to allow it to continue?....we don't have many freedoms left to give!



there is a time for everything on this earth

I see war alongside of charity

the way I see discipline along side of food and shelter


,,some dont want to discipline children, because its hard and peoples feelings get hurt , but its as necessary IMO as giving them food and shelter

similarly, some dont want war, because its hard and people die, but its as necessary IMO as helping others with charity


will there be that human element which can cross a line between discipline and abuse,,,YES

will there be that human element which can cross a line between a charitable/assist mentality into one of greed,,,,YES

but I wont toss the whole system aside and ignore the blessings because of that human element which I believe is usually in the minority but gets the most press,,,,

Sojourning_Soul's photo
Thu 12/29/11 07:41 AM
Edited by Sojourning_Soul on Thu 12/29/11 07:41 AM



There hasn't been a war declared since WW2, yet 1000's have died, many 1000's more wounded and maimed....For OUR liberty and freedom?

It's MADNESS, to promote special interests and campaign contributers agendas! This was best described in the quote by Mjr Gen Smedley Butler Retired USMC.... If we don't call it "war" it's excusable?

The very idea of this madness is the point RP is making! The very reason they don't want him elected! It cuts the head off the monster we call "The War Machine"! This machine can only operate by destroying the freedoms of the people to oppose them!

How much brain power and insight does it take to see the madness, how much courage to speak out against it, how many freedoms do we give up to allow it to continue?....we don't have many freedoms left to give!



there is a time for everything on this earth

I see war alongside of charity

the way I see discipline along side of food and shelter


,,some dont want to discipline children, because its hard and peoples feelings get hurt , but its as necessary IMO as giving them food and shelter

similarly, some dont want war, because its hard and people die, but its as necessary IMO as helping others with charity


will there be that human element which can cross a line between discipline and abuse,,,YES

will there be that human element which can cross a line between a charitable/assist mentality into one of greed,,,,YES

but I wont toss the whole system aside and ignore the blessings because of that human element which I believe is usually in the minority but gets the most press,,,,


We are BROKE! Our system is corrupt and our people suffer! We have poverty, and homeless, open borders, autrocities by officials, famine and children sleeping in OUR streets....so we send our troops and money to everybody else?

Makes sense to me! frustrated

msharmony's photo
Thu 12/29/11 07:44 AM




There hasn't been a war declared since WW2, yet 1000's have died, many 1000's more wounded and maimed....For OUR liberty and freedom?

It's MADNESS, to promote special interests and campaign contributers agendas! This was best described in the quote by Mjr Gen Smedley Butler Retired USMC.... If we don't call it "war" it's excusable?

The very idea of this madness is the point RP is making! The very reason they don't want him elected! It cuts the head off the monster we call "The War Machine"! This machine can only operate by destroying the freedoms of the people to oppose them!

How much brain power and insight does it take to see the madness, how much courage to speak out against it, how many freedoms do we give up to allow it to continue?....we don't have many freedoms left to give!



there is a time for everything on this earth

I see war alongside of charity

the way I see discipline along side of food and shelter


,,some dont want to discipline children, because its hard and peoples feelings get hurt , but its as necessary IMO as giving them food and shelter

similarly, some dont want war, because its hard and people die, but its as necessary IMO as helping others with charity


will there be that human element which can cross a line between discipline and abuse,,,YES

will there be that human element which can cross a line between a charitable/assist mentality into one of greed,,,,YES

but I wont toss the whole system aside and ignore the blessings because of that human element which I believe is usually in the minority but gets the most press,,,,


We are BROKE! Our system is corrupt and our people suffer! We have poverty, and homeless, open borders, autrocities by officials, famine and children sleeping in OUR streets....so we send our troops toand money to everybody else?

Makes sense to me! frustrated



'we' is a broad term

there has and always will be elements of suffering and corruption, of poverty and homelessness, abuse of authority,,,etc,,,

so long as there is the human species

but we are doing much better than MOST, and because of that we can help others and it still makes sense

SO LONG As we are continuing to do for those here, and we are

I think the problems mostly come from the system being 'difficult' and alot of people being undereducated and frustrated and not knowing or trying to find out what programs are available to them

we dont have to have the homeless and famine, with the programs we have

but people have to seek them out and follow the process to receive the help they need

Sojourning_Soul's photo
Thu 12/29/11 07:49 AM


Ron White puts it very well..... "You can't fix stupid!"...

It's time to reboot the system!

Sojourning_Soul's photo
Thu 12/29/11 07:56 AM

We have leaders in Washington who can't agree on ANYTHING but destroying the Constitution and peoples rights.... and you expect that people are supposed to be able to "find" help even if they seek it?

WE ARE BROKE! So we fund the war machine and ignore the people because this will make things better? rofl WHAT LOGIC!

boredinaz06's photo
Thu 12/29/11 08:03 AM
Its funny that some jack wad conservative big business blow hard like Mark Levine talks **** about Ron Paul.laugh laugh laugh laugh

Peccy's photo
Thu 12/29/11 02:17 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fi19kEYcZqY

Worth watching. Hard to dispute the facts and Mark's numerous valid points! :thumbsup:

Funny to hear RP babble and stutter!
Valid by whose standards......war mongering big business? Chicken hawks who think they really know what combat/war is about? I think boredinaz got it correct! And a youtube video is fact? LOL... you are reaching hard!!

heavenlyboy34's photo
Thu 12/29/11 03:30 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fi19kEYcZqY

Worth watching. Hard to dispute the facts and Mark's numerous valid points! :thumbsup:

Funny to hear RP babble and stutter!


Mark Levin is a well-known crackpot himself, even among conservatives.

Lpdon's photo
Thu 12/29/11 10:36 PM




There hasn't been a war declared since WW2, yet 1000's have died, many 1000's more wounded and maimed....For OUR liberty and freedom?

It's MADNESS, to promote special interests and campaign contributers agendas! This was best described in the quote by Mjr Gen Smedley Butler Retired USMC.... If we don't call it "war" it's excusable?

The very idea of this madness is the point RP is making! The very reason they don't want him elected! It cuts the head off the monster we call "The War Machine"! This machine can only operate by destroying the freedoms of the people to oppose them!

How much brain power and insight does it take to see the madness, how much courage to speak out against it, how many freedoms do we give up to allow it to continue?....we don't have many freedoms left to give!



there is a time for everything on this earth

I see war alongside of charity

the way I see discipline along side of food and shelter


,,some dont want to discipline children, because its hard and peoples feelings get hurt , but its as necessary IMO as giving them food and shelter

similarly, some dont want war, because its hard and people die, but its as necessary IMO as helping others with charity


will there be that human element which can cross a line between discipline and abuse,,,YES

will there be that human element which can cross a line between a charitable/assist mentality into one of greed,,,,YES

but I wont toss the whole system aside and ignore the blessings because of that human element which I believe is usually in the minority but gets the most press,,,,


We are BROKE! Our system is corrupt and our people suffer! We have poverty, and homeless, open borders, autrocities by officials, famine and children sleeping in OUR streets....so we send our troops and money to everybody else?

Makes sense to me! frustrated


There will still be Poverty, Homelessness, open boarders, corrupt officials, famine and children sleeping in the streets no matter who is President, the problem is with Ron Paul there will be more so because he will kill the support systems in place for the people who you above listed who truly need the services.

Lpdon's photo
Thu 12/29/11 10:43 PM

Its funny that some jack wad conservative big business blow hard like Mark Levine talks **** about Ron Paul.laugh laugh laugh laugh


Mark Levine is someone who knows the law better then Ron Paul being he is a very successful lawyer who has represented not only our government but also Presidents, members of Presidential Cabinets and who was a close friend and consultant to President Reagan(who Paul and Pauls supporters constantly claim that Reagan supported and who Levin tell's first hand how Reagan really felt about him). He graduated Phi Beta Kappa and magna cum laude from Temple. He was also Chief of Staff to the Attorney General of the United States and was Deputy Assistant Secretary for Elementary and Secondary Education at the U.S. Department of Education, and Deputy Solicitor of the U.S. Department of the Interior.

But I guess he is an idiot and blow hard because he isn't a Paulbot. BTW he has known Ron Paul for over thirty years so I tend to believe what he has to say on the subject.

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Fri 12/30/11 01:21 AM


Its funny that some jack wad conservative big business blow hard like Mark Levine talks **** about Ron Paul.laugh laugh laugh laugh


Mark Levine is someone who knows the law better then Ron Paul being he is a very successful lawyer who has represented not only our government but also Presidents, members of Presidential Cabinets and who was a close friend and consultant to President Reagan(who Paul and Pauls supporters constantly claim that Reagan supported and who Levin tell's first hand how Reagan really felt about him). He graduated Phi Beta Kappa and magna cum laude from Temple. He was also Chief of Staff to the Attorney General of the United States and was Deputy Assistant Secretary for Elementary and Secondary Education at the U.S. Department of Education, and Deputy Solicitor of the U.S. Department of the Interior.

But I guess he is an idiot and blow hard because he isn't a Paulbot. BTW he has known Ron Paul for over thirty years so I tend to believe what he has to say on the subject.


Like any neighbor to a serial rapest/killer should know they are .....eliminates the need for investigation..laugh

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Fri 12/30/11 02:51 AM


We have leaders in Washington who can't agree on ANYTHING but destroying the Constitution and peoples rights.... and you expect that people are supposed to be able to "find" help even if they seek it?

WE ARE BROKE! So we fund the war machine and ignore the people because this will make things better? rofl WHAT LOGIC!



being in debt does not mean being broke, as most americans probably realize,,,,


we have a 'budget', we have set asides for different things, just like in a household


I owe plenty more than I am taking into my household, but I still can maintain our needs because I budget for them

there is constantly a wave of incoming and outgoing, I dont leave my doors unlocked at night because I have to struggle to pay my bills, Id like to stay alive to have bills to pay in the first place

Id like to stay safe, regardless how much I owe on my house or my car


its just prioritizing, which is something that is also a part of life,,,if the priorities are handled, the necessities are still maintained, it does make sense to help those who cant even maintain shelter,,,,,


at least to me it does, I do it too (help out the less fortunate of which there always will be)

Sojourning_Soul's photo
Fri 12/30/11 03:12 AM



We have leaders in Washington who can't agree on ANYTHING but destroying the Constitution and peoples rights.... and you expect that people are supposed to be able to "find" help even if they seek it?

WE ARE BROKE! So we fund the war machine and ignore the people because this will make things better? rofl WHAT LOGIC!



being in debt does not mean being broke, as most americans probably realize,,,,


we have a 'budget', we have set asides for different things, just like in a household


I owe plenty more than I am taking into my household, but I still can maintain our needs because I budget for them

there is constantly a wave of incoming and outgoing, I dont leave my doors unlocked at night because I have to struggle to pay my bills, Id like to stay alive to have bills to pay in the first place

Id like to stay safe, regardless how much I owe on my house or my car


its just prioritizing, which is something that is also a part of life,,,if the priorities are handled, the necessities are still maintained, it does make sense to help those who cant even maintain shelter,,,,,


at least to me it does, I do it too (help out the less fortunate of which there always will be)


Ok, let's see....they stole the funds for SS, medicare and medicaid, now they want to reduce the entitlement more so they can keep the war machine going, vets benefits cut by 30% for the same reason!

So if we're not broke as you say, why do our elderly, disabled and vets need to suffer to keep their budget from taking the roof off?

Heaven forbid they cut war machine spending! That's MUCH more important than a few freeloaders! frustrated rant

Gov't doesn't know HOW to balance a budget, all they know is how to borrow and spend more at our expense! All we get for it is the right to do without a few more liberties, more debt and taxes, and to send our kids to another war.... to try the new weapons!

msharmony's photo
Fri 12/30/11 03:52 AM




We have leaders in Washington who can't agree on ANYTHING but destroying the Constitution and peoples rights.... and you expect that people are supposed to be able to "find" help even if they seek it?

WE ARE BROKE! So we fund the war machine and ignore the people because this will make things better? rofl WHAT LOGIC!



being in debt does not mean being broke, as most americans probably realize,,,,


we have a 'budget', we have set asides for different things, just like in a household


I owe plenty more than I am taking into my household, but I still can maintain our needs because I budget for them

there is constantly a wave of incoming and outgoing, I dont leave my doors unlocked at night because I have to struggle to pay my bills, Id like to stay alive to have bills to pay in the first place

Id like to stay safe, regardless how much I owe on my house or my car


its just prioritizing, which is something that is also a part of life,,,if the priorities are handled, the necessities are still maintained, it does make sense to help those who cant even maintain shelter,,,,,


at least to me it does, I do it too (help out the less fortunate of which there always will be)


Ok, let's see....they stole the funds for SS, medicare and medicaid, now they want to reduce the entitlement more so they can keep the war machine going, vets benefits cut by 30% for the same reason!

So if we're not broke as you say, why do our elderly, disabled and vets need to suffer to keep their budget from taking the roof off?

Heaven forbid they cut war machine spending! That's MUCH more important than a few freeloaders! frustrated rant

Gov't doesn't know HOW to balance a budget, all they know is how to borrow and spend more at our expense! All we get for it is the right to do without a few more liberties, more debt and taxes, and to send our kids to another war.... to try the new weapons!



I support making cuts in military, if they are reasonable and dont put the lives or health of the enlisted in any further danger

our elderly , disabled, and vets suffer for the same reasons children or single parents, or any other 'low income' demographic suffers,,,the profit first(and too often profit ONLY) culture,,,

those with more deserve more and those without didnt work hard or smart enough in the land of opportunity to get to where those WITH have

its not a culture I agree with, but its nothing thats new or created recently either,,,


Sojourning_Soul's photo
Fri 12/30/11 04:20 AM

The system under banker control (call it what it is) is corrupt and NOT working!

I agree MANY need help today, not just disabled, elderly, vets, but this group has "paid into" the very system that now turns their backs to them!

There is fraud in large part due to this entitlement system, for people believe money grows on trees (or comes from a printing press) and is in limitless supply because of it. Is it their fault this system has created the monster it can NO LONGER feed? Do they REALLY try to do anything to stop it? NO! It is easier to ignore it than to face it, which is what they are doing..... just raise the debt ceiling more and more and more.... the banker way!

I fault the system, not the people, and that is why I support Ron Paul! He is the ONLY one actually addressing the issues and is therefore the only one with a reasonable plan to fix them....even if not all of them can happen, it is a step in the right direction for a change!

boredinaz06's photo
Fri 12/30/11 11:52 PM


Its funny that some jack wad conservative big business blow hard like Mark Levine talks **** about Ron Paul.laugh laugh laugh laugh


Mark Levine is someone who knows the law better then Ron Paul being he is a very successful lawyer who has represented not only our government but also Presidents, members of Presidential Cabinets and who was a close friend and consultant to President Reagan(who Paul and Pauls supporters constantly claim that Reagan supported and who Levin tell's first hand how Reagan really felt about him). He graduated Phi Beta Kappa and magna cum laude from Temple. He was also Chief of Staff to the Attorney General of the United States and was Deputy Assistant Secretary for Elementary and Secondary Education at the U.S. Department of Education, and Deputy Solicitor of the U.S. Department of the Interior.

But I guess he is an idiot and blow hard because he isn't a Paulbot. BTW he has known Ron Paul for over thirty years so I tend to believe what he has to say on the subject.


So he is also a colossal crook then!

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