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Topic: Please respect my religion . . .
CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Fri 01/13/12 10:54 AM
Well you just don't understand religion. You can read about it though - you could start with the Wiki for example or check out a good book on comparative religion. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion Religion is a collection of cultural systems, belief systems, and worldviews that establishes symbols that relate humanity to spirituality and, sometimes, to moral values.[1] Many religions have narratives, symbols, traditions and sacred histories that are intended to give meaning to life or to explain the origin of life or the universe. They tend to derive morality, ethics, religious laws or a preferred lifestyle from their ideas about the cosmos and human nature. For a good introductory book read The World's Religions: Our Great Wisdom Traditions by Huston Smith No I understand them very well, you don't, or deny the things they do that are clear to others. Regardless of what people do, they get the ideas from the religion and what it teaches. If Christianity didn't denounce gay marriage for example, would it be an issue? I think not. If the Muslim law didn't require women to be covered, would they? Not a chance. So it all goes together, like it or not. these are the assumptions that confuse me,, how people decide 'religion' creates values as opposed to reinforcing views that are already there,,,,,eludes me its as if noone believed anything before there was a bible, and now whatever they oppose must be because the bible says so,,,although to get a following in the first place, you would think the bible must have already been reinforcing what was already believed people will oppose sexual activities with or without a religion they will oppose incest, because they see family relations in a certain light they will oppose homosexuality, because they view gender relations in a certain light they will oppose beastiality (which Jesus never actually said was a sin and is only opposed in deutoronomy,,,ring a bell?) because they see animals in a certain light those issues would still be issues, whatver book people were reading,,, Regardless it doesn't help. Oh and it's called brainwashing, your mainstream religions use the books and churches to keep people in line. Whether you believe that or not means nothing, it happens and is happening. seems people 'choose' which line they want to keep,, noone forces them But the question is, how much of their "choice" is effected by what they are told? If you're told God expects such and such of you, and you'll go to hell if you don't do it, where does that leave much room for a free thinking choice? Short answer, it doesn't. Not true. They do have a "choice" always. A choice to believe or not believe and a choice to obey or not obey. If someone told me God expects such and such, I would have to first believe in that God before it had any form of power over me. And if I took belief in that God and allowed God to instruct me on how to behave, then it's still a choice as I have chose to allow that God to effect me as such. Do you always believe everything you are told? If not, then the following statement is mute and pointless. If you're told God expects such and such of you, and you'll go to hell if you don't do it, where does that leave much room for a free thinking choice? Short answer, it doesn't. Again, just because someone has said it and claims it to be true, does not automatically make it true. That is why the Christian belief speaks alot about faith. Faith is not just secluded to religion neither. If you believe Columbus discovered America, you have put faith in it being true. And so on and so on.

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Fri 01/13/12 10:56 AM
Well you just don't understand religion. You can read about it though - you could start with the Wiki for example or check out a good book on comparative religion. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion Religion is a collection of cultural systems, belief systems, and worldviews that establishes symbols that relate humanity to spirituality and, sometimes, to moral values.[1] Many religions have narratives, symbols, traditions and sacred histories that are intended to give meaning to life or to explain the origin of life or the universe. They tend to derive morality, ethics, religious laws or a preferred lifestyle from their ideas about the cosmos and human nature. For a good introductory book read The World's Religions: Our Great Wisdom Traditions by Huston Smith No I understand them very well, you don't, or deny the things they do that are clear to others. Regardless of what people do, they get the ideas from the religion and what it teaches. If Christianity didn't denounce gay marriage for example, would it be an issue? I think not. If the Muslim law didn't require women to be covered, would they? Not a chance. So it all goes together, like it or not. these are the assumptions that confuse me,, how people decide 'religion' creates values as opposed to reinforcing views that are already there,,,,,eludes me its as if noone believed anything before there was a bible, and now whatever they oppose must be because the bible says so,,,although to get a following in the first place, you would think the bible must have already been reinforcing what was already believed people will oppose sexual activities with or without a religion they will oppose incest, because they see family relations in a certain light they will oppose homosexuality, because they view gender relations in a certain light they will oppose beastiality (which Jesus never actually said was a sin and is only opposed in deutoronomy,,,ring a bell?) because they see animals in a certain light those issues would still be issues, whatver book people were reading,,, Regardless it doesn't help. Oh and it's called brainwashing, your mainstream religions use the books and churches to keep people in line. Whether you believe that or not means nothing, it happens and is happening. seems people 'choose' which line they want to keep,, noone forces them But the question is, how much of their "choice" is effected by what they are told? If you're told God expects such and such of you, and you'll go to hell if you don't do it, where does that leave much room for a free thinking choice? Short answer, it doesn't. Not true. They do have a "choice" always. A choice to believe or not believe and a choice to obey or not obey. If someone told me God expects such and such, I would have to first believe in that God before it had any form of power over me. And if I took belief in that God and allowed God to instruct me on how to behave, then it's still a choice as I have chose to allow that God to effect me as such. Do you always believe everything you are told? If not, then the following statement is mute and pointless. If you're told God expects such and such of you, and you'll go to hell if you don't do it, where does that leave much room for a free thinking choice? Short answer, it doesn't. Again, just because someone has said it and claims it to be true, does not automatically make it true. That is why the Christian belief speaks alot about faith. Faith is not just secluded to religion neither. If you believe Columbus discovered America, you have put faith in it being true. And so on and so on. And again even after that someone has made the choice to believe, they still have the choice to obey or not. Believing and putting forth an action are two totally different things.

Kleisto Joined Tue 05/13/08 Posts: 5704	Fri 01/13/12 11:08 AM Edited by Kleisto on Fri 01/13/12 11:09 AM
Well you just don't understand religion. You can read about it though - you could start with the Wiki for example or check out a good book on comparative religion. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion Religion is a collection of cultural systems, belief systems, and worldviews that establishes symbols that relate humanity to spirituality and, sometimes, to moral values.[1] Many religions have narratives, symbols, traditions and sacred histories that are intended to give meaning to life or to explain the origin of life or the universe. They tend to derive morality, ethics, religious laws or a preferred lifestyle from their ideas about the cosmos and human nature. For a good introductory book read The World's Religions: Our Great Wisdom Traditions by Huston Smith No I understand them very well, you don't, or deny the things they do that are clear to others. Regardless of what people do, they get the ideas from the religion and what it teaches. If Christianity didn't denounce gay marriage for example, would it be an issue? I think not. If the Muslim law didn't require women to be covered, would they? Not a chance. So it all goes together, like it or not. these are the assumptions that confuse me,, how people decide 'religion' creates values as opposed to reinforcing views that are already there,,,,,eludes me its as if noone believed anything before there was a bible, and now whatever they oppose must be because the bible says so,,,although to get a following in the first place, you would think the bible must have already been reinforcing what was already believed people will oppose sexual activities with or without a religion they will oppose incest, because they see family relations in a certain light they will oppose homosexuality, because they view gender relations in a certain light they will oppose beastiality (which Jesus never actually said was a sin and is only opposed in deutoronomy,,,ring a bell?) because they see animals in a certain light those issues would still be issues, whatver book people were reading,,, Regardless it doesn't help. Oh and it's called brainwashing, your mainstream religions use the books and churches to keep people in line. Whether you believe that or not means nothing, it happens and is happening. seems people 'choose' which line they want to keep,, noone forces them But the question is, how much of their "choice" is effected by what they are told? If you're told God expects such and such of you, and you'll go to hell if you don't do it, where does that leave much room for a free thinking choice? Short answer, it doesn't. Not true. They do have a "choice" always. A choice to believe or not believe and a choice to obey or not obey. If someone told me God expects such and such, I would have to first believe in that God before it had any form of power over me. And if I took belief in that God and allowed God to instruct me on how to behave, then it's still a choice as I have chose to allow that God to effect me as such. Do you always believe everything you are told? If not, then the following statement is mute and pointless. If you're told God expects such and such of you, and you'll go to hell if you don't do it, where does that leave much room for a free thinking choice? Short answer, it doesn't. Again, just because someone has said it and claims it to be true, does not automatically make it true. That is why the Christian belief speaks alot about faith. Faith is not just secluded to religion neither. If you believe Columbus discovered America, you have put faith in it being true. And so on and so on. And again even after that someone has made the choice to believe, they still have the choice to obey or not. Believing and putting forth an action are two totally different things. Sure I know that, but they don't, to them that's all God is, so they are in effect forced using God as the enforcer. It's spiritual terrorism is what it is.

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Fri 01/13/12 11:17 AM
Well you just don't understand religion. You can read about it though - you could start with the Wiki for example or check out a good book on comparative religion. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion Religion is a collection of cultural systems, belief systems, and worldviews that establishes symbols that relate humanity to spirituality and, sometimes, to moral values.[1] Many religions have narratives, symbols, traditions and sacred histories that are intended to give meaning to life or to explain the origin of life or the universe. They tend to derive morality, ethics, religious laws or a preferred lifestyle from their ideas about the cosmos and human nature. For a good introductory book read The World's Religions: Our Great Wisdom Traditions by Huston Smith No I understand them very well, you don't, or deny the things they do that are clear to others. Regardless of what people do, they get the ideas from the religion and what it teaches. If Christianity didn't denounce gay marriage for example, would it be an issue? I think not. If the Muslim law didn't require women to be covered, would they? Not a chance. So it all goes together, like it or not. these are the assumptions that confuse me,, how people decide 'religion' creates values as opposed to reinforcing views that are already there,,,,,eludes me its as if noone believed anything before there was a bible, and now whatever they oppose must be because the bible says so,,,although to get a following in the first place, you would think the bible must have already been reinforcing what was already believed people will oppose sexual activities with or without a religion they will oppose incest, because they see family relations in a certain light they will oppose homosexuality, because they view gender relations in a certain light they will oppose beastiality (which Jesus never actually said was a sin and is only opposed in deutoronomy,,,ring a bell?) because they see animals in a certain light those issues would still be issues, whatver book people were reading,,, Regardless it doesn't help. Oh and it's called brainwashing, your mainstream religions use the books and churches to keep people in line. Whether you believe that or not means nothing, it happens and is happening. seems people 'choose' which line they want to keep,, noone forces them But the question is, how much of their "choice" is effected by what they are told? If you're told God expects such and such of you, and you'll go to hell if you don't do it, where does that leave much room for a free thinking choice? Short answer, it doesn't. Not true. They do have a "choice" always. A choice to believe or not believe and a choice to obey or not obey. If someone told me God expects such and such, I would have to first believe in that God before it had any form of power over me. And if I took belief in that God and allowed God to instruct me on how to behave, then it's still a choice as I have chose to allow that God to effect me as such. Do you always believe everything you are told? If not, then the following statement is mute and pointless. If you're told God expects such and such of you, and you'll go to hell if you don't do it, where does that leave much room for a free thinking choice? Short answer, it doesn't. Again, just because someone has said it and claims it to be true, does not automatically make it true. That is why the Christian belief speaks alot about faith. Faith is not just secluded to religion neither. If you believe Columbus discovered America, you have put faith in it being true. And so on and so on. And again even after that someone has made the choice to believe, they still have the choice to obey or not. Believing and putting forth an action are two totally different things. Sure I know that, but they don't, to them that's all God is, so they are in effect forced using God as the enforcer. It's spiritual terrorism is what it is. How is it spiritual terrorism? Has any specific person told you specifically that you're going to burn in hell for not believing? Have they told specifically you that God doesn't love you? Have they told specifically you anything foul because of your non belief? And or told you that you were not going to enjoy the kingdom of God? If someone has, they were in the wrong. Judge not less ye be judged. It is not our place to make any form of any judgement as such. And again if someone has done this to you, this is not Christian. And is why there could never be any form of spiritual terrorism especially from the Christian faith. It doesn't matter if you're a rapist, a murderer, a theif, or a total saint. Each and every one of those persons are equal. Not one of us is greater then another.

Bushidobillyclub Joined Fri 05/11/07 Posts: 5689	Mon 01/16/12 01:11 PM Edited by Bushidobillyclub on Mon 01/16/12 01:23 PM
Name a holy book and I will find a passage that tells follows to kill in the name of that religion. To my knowledge only Jainism is truly pacifistic. Most religious people just cherry pick the values from the book that they already hold as true and ignore the rest. One thing is clear to me, the bible specifically was written by many people with many different motivations.

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Mon 01/16/12 02:17 PM
Name a holy book and I will find a passage that tells follows to kill in the name of that religion. To my knowledge only Jainism is truly pacifistic. Most religious people just cherry pick the values from the book that they already hold as true and ignore the rest. One thing is clear to me, the bible specifically was written by many people with many different motivations. Name a holy book and I will find a passage that tells follows to kill in the name of that religion. Christianity is based on the New Testiment eg., the teaching of Jesus. Jesus is our Christ as is why the belief is called "Christ"ianity. So please do enlighten us with the verse(s) that pertain to killing someone that does not have the belief, now remember has to come from our Christ and Savior, Jesus.

MorningSong Joined Mon 02/11/08 Posts: 4505	Mon 01/16/12 02:28 PM Edited by MorningSong on Mon 01/16/12 02:36 PM
Cowboy, you believe in a FALSE CHRIST.... ANOTHER STRANGE version of Jesus Chrsit....NOT the Christian Jesus.. The christians believe in The Father, Jesus, annd the Holy Spirit are ONLY ONE ENTITY ...you don't.... So kindly leave others alone here with your false version of Christ. Please STOP disrespecting Christianity on here. Is that to much to ask already? IF you want to post, at least be HONEST and tell others in your post,that you do NOT agree with the christian teaching of who Jesus is...that is fine..then proceed with your post...but first let people know you represent ANOTHER version of Christ. That is fine then..at least they won't think you are representing the CHRISTIAN Jesus Christ on here.

Spidercmb Joined Fri 04/27/07 Posts: 13137	Mon 01/16/12 02:38 PM
Cowboy, you believe in ANOTHER FALSE CHRIST.... ANOTHER STRANGE version of Jesus Chrsit....NOT the Christian Jesus.. The christians believe in The Father, Jesus, annd the Holy Spirit as ONE ENTITY...you don't.... So kindly leave others alone here with your false version of Christ. Please STOP disrespecting Christianity on here. Is that to much to ask already? be HONEST and tell others in your post,that you do NOT agree with the christian teaching of who Jesus is...that is fine..then proceed with your post...but first let people know you represent ANOTHER version of Chrsit. That is fine then..at least they won't think you are representing the CHRISTIAN Jesus Christ on here. QFT The Jesus I know handed down the commandments and inspired the Old Testament.

MorningSong Joined Mon 02/11/08 Posts: 4505	Mon 01/16/12 03:02 PM
Thank You Spider. It has become quite wearisome ,to have to always deal with him falsely representing Christianity on here all the time.

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Mon 01/16/12 03:16 PM
Cowboy, you believe in a FALSE CHRIST.... ANOTHER STRANGE version of Jesus Chrsit....NOT the Christian Jesus.. The christians believe in The Father, Jesus, annd the Holy Spirit are ONLY ONE ENTITY ...you don't.... So kindly leave others alone here with your false version of Christ. Please STOP disrespecting Christianity on here. Is that to much to ask already? IF you want to post, at least be HONEST and tell others in your post,that you do NOT agree with the christian teaching of who Jesus is...that is fine..then proceed with your post...but first let people know you represent ANOTHER version of Christ. That is fine then..at least they won't think you are representing the CHRISTIAN Jesus Christ on here. The christians believe in The Father, Jesus, annd the Holy Spirit are ONLY ONE ENTITY ...you don't.... No "Christianity" does not. You believe that and probably, more then likely others do. But nevertheless "Christianity" as a whole does not. They can't possibly be one "entity" as again while Jesus was on the cross, the father spoke from Heaven.

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Mon 01/16/12 03:19 PM
Cowboy, you believe in a FALSE CHRIST.... ANOTHER STRANGE version of Jesus Chrsit....NOT the Christian Jesus.. The christians believe in The Father, Jesus, annd the Holy Spirit are ONLY ONE ENTITY ...you don't.... So kindly leave others alone here with your false version of Christ. Please STOP disrespecting Christianity on here. Is that to much to ask already? IF you want to post, at least be HONEST and tell others in your post,that you do NOT agree with the christian teaching of who Jesus is...that is fine..then proceed with your post...but first let people know you represent ANOTHER version of Christ. That is fine then..at least they won't think you are representing the CHRISTIAN Jesus Christ on here. IF you want to post, at least be HONEST and tell others in your post,that you do NOT agree with the christian teaching of who Jesus is...that is fine..then proceed with your post...but first let people know you represent ANOTHER version of Christ. That is fine then..at least they won't think you are I don't teach what "religion" eg., Christianity teaches. I teach what the scriptures teach. Religion is man made Morning, why teach "religion"? Why not teach what the scriptures say? What God wants us to do or not do. Not what some person believes you should or shouldn't, but directly what our father has told us.

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Mon 01/16/12 03:21 PM
Thank You Spider. It has become quite wearisome ,to have to always deal with him falsely representing Christianity on here all the time. I'm not falsely representing anything. I am spreading what the scriptures say. If I am incorrect, show me how, simple as that. You have sort of tried this in the past, but eventually you give up and leave. Why is that?

jrbogie Joined Sat 03/01/08 Posts: 2490	Mon 01/16/12 03:24 PM Edited by jrbogie on Mon 01/16/12 03:27 PM
Again, just because someone has said it and claims it to be true, does not automatically make it true. That is why the Christian belief speaks alot about faith. Faith is not just secluded to religion neither. If you believe Columbus discovered America, you have put faith in it being true. And so on and so on. precisely. many many people put faith in their belief that columbus discovered america and the fact is he didn't. americus vespucci discovered america. hense the name of the continent is america. even more people believe that jesus was the son of god. you just made an excellent point about belief and faith. to have faith in a believe certainly does not make it true.

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Mon 01/16/12 03:27 PM
Cowboy, you believe in a FALSE CHRIST.... ANOTHER STRANGE version of Jesus Chrsit....NOT the Christian Jesus.. The christians believe in The Father, Jesus, annd the Holy Spirit are ONLY ONE ENTITY ...you don't.... So kindly leave others alone here with your false version of Christ. Please STOP disrespecting Christianity on here. Is that to much to ask already? IF you want to post, at least ..that is fine..then proceed with your post...but first let people know you represent ANOTHER version of Christ. That is fine then..at least they won't think you are representing the CHRISTIAN Jesus Christ on here. be HONEST and tell others in your post,that you do NOT agree with the christian teaching of who Jesus is. I'll tell you right now who Jesus is, the scriptures tell us exactly who Jesus is. No religion, no belief, no opinion can change the fact of who Jesus is. Isaiah 9:6 6For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. He is Wonderful, our Counsellor in times of need, he is our God the one in charge, he is our everlasting father, and the prince of peace. Please tell me where I have said differently.

Spidercmb Joined Fri 04/27/07 Posts: 13137	Mon 01/16/12 03:27 PM
I'm not falsely representing anything. I am spreading what the scriptures say. If I am incorrect, show me how, simple as that. You have sort of tried this in the past, but eventually you give up and leave. Why is that? I can't speak for MorningSong, but if I had to guess...

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Mon 01/16/12 03:30 PM
Again, just because someone has said it and claims it to be true, does not automatically make it true. That is why the Christian belief speaks alot about faith. Faith is not just secluded to religion neither. If you believe Columbus discovered America, you have put faith in it being true. And so on and so on. precisely. many many people put faith in their belief that columbus discovered america and the fact is he didn't. americus vespucci discovered america. hense the name of the continent is america. even more people believe that jesus was the son of god. you just made an excellent point about belief and faith. to have faith in a believe certainly does not make it true. Columbus did discover America. Say you're on a boat, and you come across an island you did not know was there. You have discovered that island. Does not matter if someone else had discovered it before you, still fact remains you discovered that island for you had no prior knowledge of it being there.

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Mon 01/16/12 03:32 PM
I'm not falsely representing anything. I am spreading what the scriptures say. If I am incorrect, show me how, simple as that. You have sort of tried this in the past, but eventually you give up and leave. Why is that? I can't speak for MorningSong, but if I had to guess... If I have said something the scriptures does not support, please enlighten us all where I have lied. Everything I have said comes from the scriptures without taking the verses out of context as I'm very peculiar about checking for that.

Bushidobillyclub Joined Fri 05/11/07 Posts: 5689	Mon 01/16/12 03:52 PM Edited by Bushidobillyclub on Mon 01/16/12 04:05 PM
The whole concept of ignoring the old testament becuase of some hand waving about Jesus, even in the face of him being clear about not changing the laws, is exactly what I mean when I say most Christians cherry pick what they want. Ignore or reinterpret away any unpleasantness. But if you absolutely need something out of the new testament that promotes violence then here you go. Matthew 10:34-36 King James Version (KJV) 34Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. No peace, war. At war with what? Who will Jesus kill when he comes back? The entire bible is about creating a dichotomy of good and evil and those that share Jesus philosophy and believe are on his side . . . so naturally what does that say about those that do not? He sure isnt coming to take care of all the unbelievers and heretics . . . unless take care is a euphemism for kill, butcher, send below ect.

MorningSong Joined Mon 02/11/08 Posts: 4505	Mon 01/16/12 03:53 PM Edited by MorningSong on Mon 01/16/12 04:31 PM
Cowboy, You not only misrepresented Christianity just now on here once more, but you even went so far as to say, that not all Christians believe that The Father , Son and Holy Spirit is ONE ENTITY !!! ( Which reveals to us a lying spirit in you too,now....and btw, all we have to do is click on your past posts to show us you are not a christian....so you are fooling no one by quoting some scriptures now, in an attempt to fool others into thinking that you are christian ) And.....I have news for you ,bud.... ALL BORN AGAIN CHRISTIANS BELIEVE IN THE BASIC FUNDAMENTAL TRUTHS OF THE GOSPEL !!! AND THAT INCLUDES THE MOST IMPORTANT BASIC FUNDAMENTAL TRUTH OF ALL IN THE BIBLE...AND THAT IS, THAT THE FATHER AND SON AND HOLY SPIRIT IS JUST ONE ENTITY !!! ONE SUPREME BEING !!!! ONE GOD ALMIGHTY WE SERVE !!! AND GOD THRU THE POWER OF HIS HOLY SPIRIT, ILLUMINATES THIS BASIC FUNDAMENTAL TRUTH TO ALL ALL ALL BORN AGAIN CHRISTIANS !! But you know what? Go on....Just keep on twisting the Gospel on here, Cowboy. Go on... Cause God WILL deal with you. You are just a wolf in sheeepsclothing on here. nothing more.... As for myself, I will not be wasting any further time with you. I leave you in God's hands now.

MorningSong Joined Mon 02/11/08 Posts: 4505	Mon 01/16/12 04:37 PM
Again, if I wasn't sure, I would never post this. but you are a wolf in sheepsclothing on here ..nothing more.... I weep for you ,Cowboy...but will pray for you... .