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Republican presidential candidate Michele Bachmann is pretty sure waterboarding isn’t torture — but she says it would be “absurd” to find out for herself.
During a recent CBS/National Journal debate, the candidate enthusiastically said she supported the interrogation technique. “It was very effective,” she claimed. “It gained information for our country.” Webmaster's Commentary: "It's very useful! Why, the very first Arab we waterboarded confessed to shooting down Columbia and Challenger, setting fire to the Hindenburg, pushing that ice in front of Titanic, and being Jack the Ripper!" http://whatreallyhappened.com/ “You say it’s being done on terrorists, but actually it’s being done as an interrogation technique to determine who are terrorists,” one editorial board member noted. “These people have not been tried. … If you think it’s not that bad, would you ever willingly submit to it just to see what it’s like?” “Well, I think it would be absurd to have the president of the United States submit themselves to waterboarding,” Bachmann declared, ignoring that she’s not yet president. “There are those that have submitted themselves to it so that they can talk about it and speak about it afterwards.” In fact, two members of the media who supported the Iraq war — journalist Christopher Hitchens and Chicago radio host Erich “Mancow” Muller — submitted to the technique and came away convinced that it was torture. http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/11/18/bachmann-absurd-to-waterboard-me-to-prove-its-not-torture/ |
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yeah, I agree it is a stretch to make someone endure a punishment because they are supportive of it
how many people who support prison for 'criminals' would be willing to have their freedoms expunged for a day in a six by six with some potentailly violent nut job? its natural for actions to have consequences I dont think supporting that idea means one should subject themself to the consequences in place for others.... |
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Kleisto
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Fri 11/18/11 09:00 PM
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The problem is this isn't about ACTUAL criminals, only suspected. Would you wanna be tortured when you're just SUSPECTED of a crime? Somehow I think not.
That's to say nothing of the fact the whole thing just amounts to bullying to get the answers they want instead of actual due process, which would be counterproductive to what they want in the first place. One is more willing to lie under pressure about something than otherwise. So it's not only cruel, but also not all that effective to real truth. |
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The problem is this isn't about ACTUAL criminals, only suspected. Would you wanna be tortured when you're just SUSPECTED of a crime? Somehow I think not. That's to say nothing of the fact the whole thing just amounts to bullying to get the answers they want instead of actual due process, which would be counterproductive to what they want in the first place. One is more willing to lie under pressure about something than otherwise. So it's not only cruel, but also not all that effective to real truth. I doubt its absolute or that it would be used if it had no effect at all. The issue is the 'process'. In the justice system we have a JURY to look over evidence and deem someone an 'actual' criminal. In military situations, however, they dont have the luxury of such a time consuming collection of 'peers' and use military intelligence instead. Same process, different names. |
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The problem is this isn't about ACTUAL criminals, only suspected. Would you wanna be tortured when you're just SUSPECTED of a crime? Somehow I think not. That's to say nothing of the fact the whole thing just amounts to bullying to get the answers they want instead of actual due process, which would be counterproductive to what they want in the first place. One is more willing to lie under pressure about something than otherwise. So it's not only cruel, but also not all that effective to real truth. just like MSH said, it is not used on criminals, it is/was used in wartime for information purposes. they didn't actually harm the terrorists, just made it difficult for them... a great way to gather intelligence quickly. |
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The problem is this isn't about ACTUAL criminals, only suspected. Would you wanna be tortured when you're just SUSPECTED of a crime? Somehow I think not. That's to say nothing of the fact the whole thing just amounts to bullying to get the answers they want instead of actual due process, which would be counterproductive to what they want in the first place. One is more willing to lie under pressure about something than otherwise. So it's not only cruel, but also not all that effective to real truth. just like MSH said, it is not used on criminals, it is/was used in wartime for information purposes. they didn't actually harm the terrorists, just made it difficult for them... a great way to gather intelligence quickly. And also a way to get innocent people to confess to something just to stop being tortured. Give em their day in court, don't do this. |
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The problem is this isn't about ACTUAL criminals, only suspected. Would you wanna be tortured when you're just SUSPECTED of a crime? Somehow I think not. That's to say nothing of the fact the whole thing just amounts to bullying to get the answers they want instead of actual due process, which would be counterproductive to what they want in the first place. One is more willing to lie under pressure about something than otherwise. So it's not only cruel, but also not all that effective to real truth. I doubt its absolute or that it would be used if it had no effect at all. The issue is the 'process'. In the justice system we have a JURY to look over evidence and deem someone an 'actual' criminal. In military situations, however, they dont have the luxury of such a time consuming collection of 'peers' and use military intelligence instead. Same process, different names. You totally underestimate the criminal minds of those working in some of the highest places in power. They are not now and weren't before what you think they are. |
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I came to the conclusion a long time ago that Bachman is in fact absurd! |
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The problem is this isn't about ACTUAL criminals, only suspected. Would you wanna be tortured when you're just SUSPECTED of a crime? Somehow I think not. That's to say nothing of the fact the whole thing just amounts to bullying to get the answers they want instead of actual due process, which would be counterproductive to what they want in the first place. One is more willing to lie under pressure about something than otherwise. So it's not only cruel, but also not all that effective to real truth. just like MSH said, it is not used on criminals, it is/was used in wartime for information purposes. they didn't actually harm the terrorists, just made it difficult for them... a great way to gather intelligence quickly. And also a way to get innocent people to confess to something just to stop being tortured. Give em their day in court, don't do this. there are different types of 'courts' not all situations can be drug out for months or years,,,some are a matter of days weeks or months,, much too quick for any 'court' in the traditional sense,,, |
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The problem is this isn't about ACTUAL criminals, only suspected. Would you wanna be tortured when you're just SUSPECTED of a crime? Somehow I think not. That's to say nothing of the fact the whole thing just amounts to bullying to get the answers they want instead of actual due process, which would be counterproductive to what they want in the first place. One is more willing to lie under pressure about something than otherwise. So it's not only cruel, but also not all that effective to real truth. just like MSH said, it is not used on criminals, it is/was used in wartime for information purposes. they didn't actually harm the terrorists, just made it difficult for them... a great way to gather intelligence quickly. And also a way to get innocent people to confess to something just to stop being tortured. Give em their day in court, don't do this. there are different types of 'courts' not all situations can be drug out for months or years,,,some are a matter of days weeks or months,, much too quick for any 'court' in the traditional sense,,, |
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The problem is this isn't about ACTUAL criminals, only suspected. Would you wanna be tortured when you're just SUSPECTED of a crime? Somehow I think not. That's to say nothing of the fact the whole thing just amounts to bullying to get the answers they want instead of actual due process, which would be counterproductive to what they want in the first place. One is more willing to lie under pressure about something than otherwise. So it's not only cruel, but also not all that effective to real truth. just like MSH said, it is not used on criminals, it is/was used in wartime for information purposes. they didn't actually harm the terrorists, just made it difficult for them... a great way to gather intelligence quickly. And also a way to get innocent people to confess to something just to stop being tortured. Give em their day in court, don't do this. there are different types of 'courts' not all situations can be drug out for months or years,,,some are a matter of days weeks or months,, much too quick for any 'court' in the traditional sense,,, You can all bear it on your conscience. I value my humanity and refuse to sell my soul to buy a false sense of security the control masters wish to sell as acceptable. I've said it before, if we condone such practices, where does it end? Do we start torturing children, though they may be bad, for acts like Columbine? That was a terrorist act! By "use guidelines" under DHS those children qualify DHS is not limited to definitions of public or military! ANYONE, can be labled suspect or terrorist. The DHS has even issued memos that returning soldiers and vets "meet the criteria" and are on the watch list. What's next? Why not except a dictator and do away with the farce we call elections? |
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The problem is this isn't about ACTUAL criminals, only suspected. Would you wanna be tortured when you're just SUSPECTED of a crime? Somehow I think not. That's to say nothing of the fact the whole thing just amounts to bullying to get the answers they want instead of actual due process, which would be counterproductive to what they want in the first place. One is more willing to lie under pressure about something than otherwise. So it's not only cruel, but also not all that effective to real truth. just like MSH said, it is not used on criminals, it is/was used in wartime for information purposes. they didn't actually harm the terrorists, just made it difficult for them... a great way to gather intelligence quickly. And also a way to get innocent people to confess to something just to stop being tortured. Give em their day in court, don't do this. what court is that? prisoners of war don't have a day in court... |
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The problem is this isn't about ACTUAL criminals, only suspected. Would you wanna be tortured when you're just SUSPECTED of a crime? Somehow I think not. That's to say nothing of the fact the whole thing just amounts to bullying to get the answers they want instead of actual due process, which would be counterproductive to what they want in the first place. One is more willing to lie under pressure about something than otherwise. So it's not only cruel, but also not all that effective to real truth. just like MSH said, it is not used on criminals, it is/was used in wartime for information purposes. they didn't actually harm the terrorists, just made it difficult for them... a great way to gather intelligence quickly. And also a way to get innocent people to confess to something just to stop being tortured. Give em their day in court, don't do this. there are different types of 'courts' not all situations can be drug out for months or years,,,some are a matter of days weeks or months,, much too quick for any 'court' in the traditional sense,,, You can all bear it on your conscience. I value my humanity and refuse to sell my soul to buy a false sense of security the control masters wish to sell as acceptable. I've said it before, if we condone such practices, where does it end? Do we start torturing children, though they may be bad, for acts like Columbine? That was a terrorist act! By "use guidelines" under DHS those children qualify DHS is not limited to definitions of public or military! ANYONE, can be labled suspect or terrorist. The DHS has even issued memos that returning soldiers and vets "meet the criteria" and are on the watch list. What's next? Why not except a dictator and do away with the farce we call elections? when they delude children to strap bombs on their ***** and walk in crowded markets, they stop being children |
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DHS is not limited to definitions of public or military! ANYONE, can be labled suspect or terrorist. The DHS has even issued memos that returning soldiers and vets "meet the criteria" and are on the watch list
kinda like the one that shot 26 people in kileen, TX at the army base? he did it for allah too... |
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but not the three on a certain army base who shot their wives and themselves in what was reported as 'unrelated' incidents,,,,
military can be a great breeding ground for great strength or great craziness... |
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