I've never had any desire to harm an animal that was'nt attacking me or another person.


I dated a woman whose dog was out of control. It slept in the bed with us and would try to take food right out of your hand. I put up with it and kept my cool. She was more important to me than her pet, but most definitely, that wimpy dog was the Alpha male in her house, but I would have never hurt it.

well, until dogs learn how to use shovels, I'm not going to be the beta dog.

This is the type of men in my area, and what I know. Even the ones I've dated may fake it for a while, but in the end pull a stunt like this.

teadipper, i think you just discovered the main difference in men's and women's thinking. you gals are the nurturers. have to fix everything. that's why so many treads started by women here involve a man not being what she want's him to be and this thinking that she can change him for the 'better' ends up looking to him like he'll never be good enough. we guys can be as stubborn and set in our ways as the most unruly canine but like women we want to be loved for who we are. now that you understand that, go with it and you won't be single for long.

ANOTHER EXAMPLE and this one may stir the pot a bit. Now, I do want to say that my female friends are mostly very powerful in control women but they very much go into nurturer over thinking things trying to do the "socially proper appearance" thing whereas as I said, my guys friends divide the world in their opinion into two camps. Theirs who they watch out for and OTHERS.

Okay on with another example....

I get treated differently entirely by my guy friends. Some of my guy friends are out and out pigs honestly when it comes to women BUT not to me. I always behave myself. I am also told by them it's because I don't get drunk at parties, I wear a lot of clothes (meaning nothing revealing) and I do not sleep around. Also, I don't go out with guys just to get a free dinner. So there is a very clear opinion of me that is different. Guys very much use their opinions to slot women into different categories in their minds really really fast. I get slotted firmly into "acceptable for their mothers and sisters to know exist". Those other girls get firmly slotted into "temporary plaything". Right or wrong, I see it happen all the time and it is all based on an initial opinion.

I do it too. I believe from always having been around me. A guy will be midway through a date with me and mention something from his past that I consider WAY WAY WAY unacceptable and he has slotted himself FIRMLY into "this guy I went out with once" status. I try to end the date quickly and send an email the second I get home and usually call the next day thanking them for their time but that I am not interested.

I think you are pretty much a manly man like M. and you are concerned for people's basic welfare. M. is not checking up on me to be a jerk. If he doesn't hear from me for over a week, there is the possibility I could truly be sick. He really would be over here in the rain with Mc Donald's, Theraflu and a new heater filter in about three second.

I would also note that when I refer to a guy as a manly man that means they have evolved into their potential as a grown up. They are not to be confused with BOYS. And there are 60 year old men who behave like boys and 30 year old manly men. Manly men are secure and take care of their own business, etc. They have empathy and compassion that they learned somewhere.

I tend not to really ask anyone for advice as for years in the military; I had to make snap decisions. However when I do make a decision; I am analytical. The problem I find when a man gives me advice; he doesn't quite think it through or think about the consequences of the decision. He just sees the answer where as I see the problem with the answer. For instance; I wanted to close off the back yard area where my garage is and my male friends said just to put up a wooden fence and be done with it. My thinking was to reuse my chainlink nine foot gate instead as that way when I want to bring something big in that I can't get through my garage; I can swing the gate. My male friends never thought of that angle. The irony is I have already had to use that gate to put my rather large patio table in the garage as there was no way I could get it through the man door of my garage.

Yeah, that makes sense about men having to be confident. I never really thought it that way. I know until I joined the military; I certainly lacked confidence in my decisions but I always thought I was young and didn't have experience never thought that was the way women were raised.

You should date better pigs!

I guess it all depends on the person, where they live what they do.

Most women from the bush wouldnt tell you to keep a problem animal. It would be shot or given to someone who had the time'and ability to do something with it.

Most of the blokes I know would definately get rid of the thing, well I dont actually know of any who would have taken it to begin with.

It may sound bad, but an animal that can be a pain in the bush is dangerous, a bad dog can destroy a good one they end up making your other dogs muck up or killing someones sheep or just being a nuicence.

Maybe it's because men tend to give a less emotional response at times, but it just depends who they are.

i find more than not when it comes to my opinion it always comes down to what they really want to do because if i differ from that im called selfish i call it thinking ahead an being honest with the outcome .

Oooh, I definitely agree with this Josie. One can quickly tell the difference between the true country guys versus the ones playing at it. Itms a whole different level and thought process. Those who truly care for their land and animals take the time to think things through, before doing anything for the greater benefit. They may be blunt and straightforward about some things, but at least they're honest. Those who want the 'fast' cash rape the land and give nothing back, then gripe when the land and animals stop producing.

Yikes. I'm glad no guys I know are like this, wanting to physically harm animals.

You know given that same situation; I would tell the person to get rid of the animal. My responses are based more on logic than emotions. I have learned to seperate my emotions from my decision making. Most men think that makes me a b*tch but my experience of having people's lives in my hands has made me a harder person.

I would never consider it selfish if a man gave me an honest opinon and yes like you I think ahead. I think that is an intelligent way to approach a problem.

I think the subject of this thread is the masculine and feminine energy at work in relationships.

What you are talking about is the more traditional one.

I've met women who were masculine and men who were feminine.

Anyway you can make the relationship work is fine.

I used to say (when I was younger) that all I needed was a man who was great in the sack and one that could fix my car. If that turned out to be the same man, I was happy.

Hypothetically speaking, it would be an interesting experiment to put someone (say, you) in a room with a gun and a hungry dog - too see which one came out.

...in your opinion, what would be the outcome of that?

Would you harm an animal that was dangerous to you if it came to 'you or the dog'?

That's not even a situation I'd be (your hypothetical situation), so there's no need to answer. Obviously, in real life if someone was actually in danger and it came down to harming the animal to keep from being hurt, that's completely different.

It says a lot about you, though. Have you always been so violent and willing to harm animals?

its a soundbite.

But I guess I have always possesed a will to survive.

But examining your response a little, I think it may be fair to infer that under some circumstances you would indeed do what you are attempting to criticise me for...you think your justification is better than mine it seems. So please please please tell me how I can be so great...like you.