Topic: Verdict Coming Today In Jackson Death
Lpdon's photo
Mon 11/07/11 12:25 PM
A jury has reached a verdict in the involuntary manslaughter case against Michael Jackson's doctor. Court officials say it will be read about 1 p.m. PST.

The verdict came Monday in the trial of Dr. Conrad Murray.

Prosecutors depicted Murray as a reckless physician who abandoned Jackson while he was under the effects of the powerful anesthetic propofol on June 25, 2009.


Attorneys for the Houston-based cardiologist countered that Jackson was addicted to the drug and self-administered the fatal dose when Murray left his bedroom.

Murray did not testify during the trial but previously acknowledged to police that he gave Jackson propofol and other sedatives on the morning the singer died.

The seven men and five women who hold the fate of Dr. Murray in their hands are a diverse cross-section of Los Angeles, people of varying ethnicities from different towns who might never have met if they had not been thrown together in the jury pool.

They are white, black and Hispanic, mostly middle-aged and live in an assortment of suburbs in the Los Angeles urban sprawl. Most have children and some have grandchildren.

They include a professor, postman, bus driver, actor and movie animation supervisor.

The panel began its second day of deliberations Monday.

Nine of them have prior jury experience and one woman, a native of Spain, has served on five juries, all of which reached verdicts. She was once a jury forewoman.

A woman who has worked as a paralegal for 30 years is serving on her first jury and appeared enthralled.

They knew about the involuntary manslaughter charge against Murray before they came to court and most of them know Jackson's music. A few said they were fans and one, the video animation specialist, said he had some interaction with Jackson when the singer was making the video, "Captain EO."

Details about their lives were culled from lengthy written questionnaires obtained by The Associated Press. Their identities have been kept secret and even lawyers in the case know them only by their jury numbers.

In six weeks together the jurors have displayed uncommon attentiveness to the task at hand. Several, including alternates, have taken notes and kept lists of evidence. Once, when the judge was at a loss to find the number of an exhibit, a member of the jury spoke up and told him.

There were no drooping eyelids or distracted glances. When a scientific expert was conducting experiments on the floor of the courtroom, panelists stood up in the jury box to get a better view.

Their attention to evidence and witnesses has impressed Superior Court Judge Michael Pastor, who commended them for their commitment, punctuality in getting to court and willingness to give up their personal lives to serve.

When the trial went longer than Pastor had predicted, he apologized, but the jurors seemed unperturbed.

Every night, when he gave them an admonition to avoid the news, the Internet and other sources of information about the trial, they listened as if it was the first time they had heard it and they nodded in agreement.

Many of the panelists have a familiarity with prescription drugs; most of them said they trust their doctors and several believe that celebrities receive a different kind of justice than average people.

Some have learned about the justice system from TV, watching such shows as "Law and Order" and "CSI." Others watched broadcasts of real-life, high-profile trials including the Casey Anthony case and the O.J. Simpson trial.

One woman, an accounting manager, remembered that during the Simpson trial, "a TV was brought to the office for everyone to follow it." A man in his 30s said he followed that trial in school as an educational experience.

While not sequestered, the jurors have had a rare opportunity to bond because they were kept together for lunch and transported together between a secret parking lot and the courthouse. In order to avoid exposure to events outside the courtroom, the judge had lunch catered for them every day.

But during lunches and coffee breaks there was one thing they could not discuss -- the trial.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2011/11/07/jury-resumes-deliberations-in-michael-jackson-manslaughter-trial/#ixzz1d3MQ9Ltv

I hope they nail this guys a$$ to the wall.

Lpdon's photo
Mon 11/07/11 01:37 PM
GUILTY! Remanded into custody NO BAIL!

teadipper's photo
Mon 11/07/11 02:05 PM
Having worked for celebrities, I will tell you while I blame the doctor, I also blame other handlers. No celebrity like this is on their own. Trust me. Somebody in his camp knew about these treatments and didn't speak up enough. Sometimes, the celebrity will push for things not in their best interest and if you are in their camp, you really really have to know the go to people in their life and make an issue of things. Or you end up with a Michael Jackson or an Anna Nicole Smith situation. This does not take place in a vacuum. Often people are afraid to stand up to the celebrity or other immediate people involved but sometimes, it is your job to make a fuss. You are more than just an employee, you are responsible for that person. It is hard to stand up against them but you need to do it at times. You owe it to the person.

mightymoe's photo
Mon 11/07/11 02:09 PM
involuntary manslaughter... it should be careless neglect, with a greed factor... i don't see him doing much time...

Lpdon's photo
Mon 11/07/11 02:14 PM

Having worked for celebrities, I will tell you while I blame the doctor, I also blame other handlers. No celebrity like this is on their own. Trust me. Somebody in his camp knew about these treatments and didn't speak up enough. Sometimes, the celebrity will push for things not in their best interest and if you are in their camp, you really really have to know the go to people in their life and make an issue of things. Or you end up with a Michael Jackson or an Anna Nicole Smith situation. This does not take place in a vacuum. Often people are afraid to stand up to the celebrity or other immediate people involved but sometimes, it is your job to make a fuss. You are more than just an employee, you are responsible for that person. It is hard to stand up against them but you need to do it at times. You owe it to the person.


I agree, but the doctor DEFINATELY knew better and knew the medications and the laws and the risks. He is just as much to blame if not more so.

I think the prosecutors need to go after EVERYONE in this case though, the people who got prescriptions under false pretences etc.

Lpdon's photo
Mon 11/07/11 02:15 PM
AND they didn't answer the question where the got the Propofol from. Maybe the doctor could shed some light on that if they give him a sentancing deal since whoever provided it is probably giving it to someone else.

Lpdon's photo
Mon 11/07/11 11:05 PM
Edited by Lpdon on Mon 11/07/11 11:08 PM
I don't understand why Dr. Kline isn't being charged with anything. Giving Jackson over 900mg of Demoral several times a day for 7 days straight after a Botox procedure. Right there several medical experts said that that amount right there is not necessary for a Botox procedure and it's not even necessary for a major surgery and enough to get ANYONE addicted and is reckless and that a Dermatologist shouldn't be dispensing this kind and amount of medication.

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Thu 11/10/11 07:02 PM

GUILTY! Remanded into custody NO BAIL!


You say that as if you are cheering. One thing, who will ever know for sure if MJ was a child molestor, Conrad may have done the world a favor. Two, MJ was totally addicted. he clearly had an addictive personality shown through not only drug use but spending habits and surgeries as well. Possibly even addicted to young boys. Its a shame to put the blame on a dr. Maybe Conrad made some bad choices but look at the choices MJ made. Conrad was greedy but MJ was the addict.

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Thu 11/10/11 07:27 PM
The doctor ****ed up.
Whatever MJ was has nothing to do
with Murray's choices that morning.

I don't think he'll be in jail long.
His livlihood has been taken from him
and his dignity. He's a broken man,
that's it's own prison.


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Thu 11/10/11 09:48 PM
Edited by Simonedemidova on Thu 11/10/11 09:50 PM
Well Conrad Murray did the job he was hired to do. His greed got in the way of his better judgement. Which is why it is called involuntary manslaughter. Michaels problems ran deep though and he paid with his life for what he searched for in a dr.
A lot of DR. turned down working for him because they knew what Michael wanted would not be a safe gig. Conrad made very poor choices following the incident but he acted desperately. I really dont think jail is necessary so much as just revoking his license.
That is In my own opinion the only punishment and maybe probation. Sending him to jail for doing his job is lame. It's not like this happened in a hospital, where people die everyday from nurses and Dr. mistakes....He was doing a specific job for way more money and the money was given in lieu of responsible decisions. Conrad and Michael both knew that.

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Fri 11/11/11 01:02 AM

Well Conrad Murray did the job he was hired to do. His greed got in the way of his better judgement. Which is why it is called involuntary manslaughter. Michaels problems ran deep though and he paid with his life for what he searched for in a dr.
A lot of DR. turned down working for him because they knew what Michael wanted would not be a safe gig. Conrad made very poor choices following the incident but he acted desperately. I really dont think jail is necessary so much as just revoking his license.
That is In my own opinion the only punishment and maybe probation. Sending him to jail for doing his job is lame. It's not like this happened in a hospital, where people die everyday from nurses and Dr. mistakes....He was doing a specific job for way more money and the money was given in lieu of responsible decisions. Conrad and Michael both knew that.



this is a definition for negligent homicide

Negligent homicide is the killing of another person through gross negligence or without malice. It often includes death that is the result of the negligent operation of a motor vehicle, which includes the operation of a boat or snowmobile. It is characterized as a death caused by death by conduct that grossly deviated from ordinary care.



the drugs the doctor had in possession, the means by which he administered them, and the type of drug he used were

'grossly deviated from ordinary care' in a manner unlike the potential risks associated with and discussed before hospital surgeries or the posted risks associated with medications,,,

Lpdon's photo
Fri 11/11/11 01:29 AM


GUILTY! Remanded into custody NO BAIL!


You say that as if you are cheering. One thing, who will ever know for sure if MJ was a child molestor, Conrad may have done the world a favor. Two, MJ was totally addicted. he clearly had an addictive personality shown through not only drug use but spending habits and surgeries as well. Possibly even addicted to young boys. Its a shame to put the blame on a dr. Maybe Conrad made some bad choices but look at the choices MJ made. Conrad was greedy but MJ was the addict.


The blame is on him for shooting Michael with a drug he isn't even licensed to give and illegally obtained not to mention not having the emergency equipment requred to have when you administer this drug.

Lpdon's photo
Fri 11/11/11 01:31 AM


Well Conrad Murray did the job he was hired to do. His greed got in the way of his better judgement. Which is why it is called involuntary manslaughter. Michaels problems ran deep though and he paid with his life for what he searched for in a dr.
A lot of DR. turned down working for him because they knew what Michael wanted would not be a safe gig. Conrad made very poor choices following the incident but he acted desperately. I really dont think jail is necessary so much as just revoking his license.
That is In my own opinion the only punishment and maybe probation. Sending him to jail for doing his job is lame. It's not like this happened in a hospital, where people die everyday from nurses and Dr. mistakes....He was doing a specific job for way more money and the money was given in lieu of responsible decisions. Conrad and Michael both knew that.



this is a definition for negligent homicide

Negligent homicide is the killing of another person through gross negligence or without malice. It often includes death that is the result of the negligent operation of a motor vehicle, which includes the operation of a boat or snowmobile. It is characterized as a death caused by death by conduct that grossly deviated from ordinary care.



the drugs the doctor had in possession, the means by which he administered them, and the type of drug he used were

'grossly deviated from ordinary care' in a manner unlike the potential risks associated with and discussed before hospital surgeries or the posted risks associated with medications,,,


Not to mention giving CPR on a bed and not a hard, flat surface.