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Again people have their opinions on how people are not inherently lazy but no one has challenged my ideas that technology innovation will slow to a crawl. If what? Under what circumstances are you saying that tech innovation will slow to a crawl? |
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Sojourning_Soul
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Tue 11/01/11 09:04 AM
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I would like a barter system, except we dont really have the same resources to rely on as we once did, or farmers, or butchers, or dairy farmers, or any of those who really produced the necessities to barter with. The money system is a barter system. We just use symbols to represent past and future barters. I would prefer a true barter system where we could exchange services and products for other SERVICES and products as it stand we use money only in exchange for products or service and we are limited by whether others are willing to pay us by that particular barter resource,, lolz. So who is going to produce products for us? Mass productions stops existing in a barter system. What services are you going to do for an electric company to pay for a bill? What services is a gas station going to perform for the oil company to get its gasoline and what are you going to do for the gas station? You can still have poor people because some people can have more skills or things to barter. Again people have their opinions on how people are not inherently lazy but no one has challenged my ideas that technology innovation will slow to a crawl. Profits drive research. Interesting how capitalist countries tend to be the most advanced and have the most advanced technologies emerging from there countries. It's called "rations", based on your needs. Needs fuel demand, demand fuels nessessity. Nothing much changes. Greed will ALWAYS be a factor to any equation, but MUCH harder to cover-up than in a monetary system. If someone is living "beyond their means", you can figure there is some corruption in play. There will always be a division in "classes", but thru ingenuity and hard work, providing quality goods or services, or meeting demands, ANYONE can prosper. The rich will always get richer, but they don't usually want to plow their own fields, grow their own food, clean their own houses, and so on. By the same token, business can not function without workers. People supply the demands, people provide the supplies for those demands, and the circle perpetuates. You can't just take a system that was designed to work in a non industrialized society and expect it to work in an industrialized one. Barter wont work in industry. No one will be able to get what they need. What are workers going to get paid with? Its totally different in a small society where you grow food or raise animals or something like that. Lets take some random example. I want someone to mow my lawn. Well he wants extra gas and maybe idk... burgers. Well I don't have any of these so now I have to go to the gas place to barter for gas and with someone to barter for the burgers. This cycle continues until I finally have what someone wants, to trade with the next people, to finally be able to pay for the 1 service I wanted. Now think of this happening in industries that needs hundreds of different parts for different things. It would be a nightmare. You don't understand "barter" very well do you? I have a computer someone wants, he has gas coupons he's not using and maybe food rations, or any other vouchers for payment. If he can meet my price with the "vouchers" he possesses, he will own my computer..... simple AND NO PRICE GOUGING! FACE VALUE VOUCHERS OR PROMISARIES |
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You don't understand "barter" very well do you? I have a computer someone wants, he has gas coupons he's not using and maybe food rations, or any other vouchers for payment. If he can meet my price with the "vouchers" he possesses, he will own my computer..... simple Vouchers? Promisaries? Sounds a lot like cash, to me. |
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I would like a barter system, except we dont really have the same resources to rely on as we once did, or farmers, or butchers, or dairy farmers, or any of those who really produced the necessities to barter with. The money system is a barter system. We just use symbols to represent past and future barters. I would prefer a true barter system where we could exchange services and products for other SERVICES and products as it stand we use money only in exchange for products or service and we are limited by whether others are willing to pay us by that particular barter resource,, lolz. So who is going to produce products for us? Mass productions stops existing in a barter system. What services are you going to do for an electric company to pay for a bill? What services is a gas station going to perform for the oil company to get its gasoline and what are you going to do for the gas station? You can still have poor people because some people can have more skills or things to barter. Again people have their opinions on how people are not inherently lazy but no one has challenged my ideas that technology innovation will slow to a crawl. Profits drive research. Interesting how capitalist countries tend to be the most advanced and have the most advanced technologies emerging from there countries. It's called "rations", based on your needs. Needs fuel demand, demand fuels nessessity. Nothing much changes. Greed will ALWAYS be a factor to any equation, but MUCH harder to cover-up than in a monetary system. If someone is living "beyond their means", you can figure there is some corruption in play. There will always be a division in "classes", but thru ingenuity and hard work, providing quality goods or services, or meeting demands, ANYONE can prosper. The rich will always get richer, but they don't usually want to plow their own fields, grow their own food, clean their own houses, and so on. By the same token, business can not function without workers. People supply the demands, people provide the supplies for those demands, and the circle perpetuates. You can't just take a system that was designed to work in a non industrialized society and expect it to work in an industrialized one. Barter wont work in industry. No one will be able to get what they need. What are workers going to get paid with? Its totally different in a small society where you grow food or raise animals or something like that. Lets take some random example. I want someone to mow my lawn. Well he wants extra gas and maybe idk... burgers. Well I don't have any of these so now I have to go to the gas place to barter for gas and with someone to barter for the burgers. This cycle continues until I finally have what someone wants, to trade with the next people, to finally be able to pay for the 1 service I wanted. Now think of this happening in industries that needs hundreds of different parts for different things. It would be a nightmare. You don't understand "barter" very well do you? I have a computer someone wants, he has gas coupons he's not using and maybe food rations, or any other vouchers for payment. If he can meet my price with the "vouchers" he possesses, he will own my computer..... simple AND NO PRICE GOUGING! FACE VALUE VOUCHERS OR PROMISARIES The point is he has to have something you want. Get it? If he has nothing someone wants he has to either make another trade to get it or find a different person to sell him what he wants and who wants something he has. It is a pretty crappy system. Especially in the manufacturing world. |
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There is no perfect world, or a perfect solution to fix it. Barter is NOT the answer, but it should be a possibility of merit, even acceptance, for those of the "have nots" to survive within a culture. I barter all the time, and it works for me, but it is NOT the way of our culture today, and you can't survive on it. I just feel it should be more widely accepted as a resource (as a lot I know are finding it useful to them these days) in bad economic times. |
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There is no perfect world, or a perfect solution to fix it. Barter is NOT the answer, but it should be a possibility of merit, even acceptance, for those of the "have nots" to survive within a culture. I barter all the time, and it works for me, but it is NOT the way of our culture today, and you can't survive on it. I just feel it should be more widely accepted as a resource (as a lot I know are finding it useful to them these days) in bad economic times. Well yea I am up for people bartering with each other. Thats not a big deal. My point was its not going to work as an economic system for a country. |
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There is no perfect world, or a perfect solution to fix it. Barter is NOT the answer, but it should be a possibility of merit, even acceptance, for those of the "have nots" to survive within a culture. I barter all the time, and it works for me, but it is NOT the way of our culture today, and you can't survive on it. I just feel it should be more widely accepted as a resource (as a lot I know are finding it useful to them these days) in bad economic times. Well yea I am up for people bartering with each other. Thats not a big deal. My point was its not going to work as an economic system for a country. 
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There is no perfect world, or a perfect solution to fix it. Barter is NOT the answer, but it should be a possibility of merit, even acceptance, for those of the "have nots" to survive within a culture. I barter all the time, and it works for me, but it is NOT the way of our culture today, and you can't survive on it. I just feel it should be more widely accepted as a resource (as a lot I know are finding it useful to them these days) in bad economic times. Well yea I am up for people bartering with each other. Thats not a big deal. My point was its not going to work as an economic system for a country.
Yeah, people would have to get along and be considerate of each other in order for it to work.....novel thought! 
The Amish do it, but they have NO personal property, NO freedom of self expression. That makes their culture nothing more than a communal monarchy. Religious tryanny at its core. When I lived in Ohio tho, I did see a young couple in town with a stereo in their buggy  .... If only daddy knew 
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true, no evidence she was on drugs or suicidal
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