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Topic: Now, who's the Warmonger?
msharmony's photo
Sun 10/16/11 02:52 AM
when are special ops 'unproven grunts'

perhaps if we sent our support in weapons and billions like we do Israel it wouldnt be seen as 'intervention' or 'occupation' or 'warmongering'

Conrad_73's photo
Sun 10/16/11 03:07 AM

when are special ops 'unproven grunts'

perhaps if we sent our support in weapons and billions like we do Israel it wouldn't be seen as 'intervention' or 'occupation' or 'warmongering'
another one you have wrong!
What do you think rent at Haifa Harbor is worth?laugh
China or Russia would gladly pay double of what the US pays Israel now!
Then you forget the same Weaponry is used by the US and Israel,so there is lots of storage in Haifa used by the US as well!
Guess you'd be OK with the Russians or Chinese having their Fleets parked at Haifa,instead the US Sixth Fleet?laugh

msharmony's photo
Sun 10/16/11 03:40 AM
Edited by msharmony on Sun 10/16/11 03:43 AM


when are special ops 'unproven grunts'

perhaps if we sent our support in weapons and billions like we do Israel it wouldn't be seen as 'intervention' or 'occupation' or 'warmongering'
another one you have wrong!
What do you think rent at Haifa Harbor is worth?laugh
China or Russia would gladly pay double of what the US pays Israel now!
Then you forget the same Weaponry is used by the US and Israel,so there is lots of storage in Haifa used by the US as well!
Guess you'd be OK with the Russians or Chinese having their Fleets parked at Haifa,instead the US Sixth Fleet?laugh


oh great, we are sending equipment and money in return for using the port..(shouldnt that go to the Brits?)

wonder if the resources we take from AFrica are worth a mere 11 million per year?

Peccy's photo
Sun 10/16/11 06:29 AM

We aren't the worlds police force.

There is an African Union that has a multi national force designed to deal with these kind of problems.

WTF
No we're not! We have our own problems, we don't need to bite off more! Our problems are hard enough to chew as it is!

willing2's photo
Sun 10/16/11 08:13 AM

Vietnam started with a few Advisers!
And you don't send unproven Grunts on Missions like that!

Right as rain.

Peccy's photo
Sun 10/16/11 05:18 PM

when are special ops 'unproven grunts'

he was saying that you DON'T send unproven grunts on missions like this.

msharmony's photo
Sun 10/16/11 05:19 PM


when are special ops 'unproven grunts'

he was saying that you DON'T send unproven grunts on missions like this.



of course,,,,

Redykeulous's photo
Sun 10/16/11 06:18 PM


Barry Sends 100 US Troops to Uganda to Help Combat Lord’s Resistance Army
Oct 14, 2011 1:54pm

ABC News’ Jake Tapper and Luis Martinez report:

Two days ago President Obama authorized the deployment to Uganda of approximately 100 combat-equipped U.S. forces to help regional forces “remove from the battlefield” – meaning capture or kill – Lord’s Resistance Army leader Joseph Kony and senior leaders of the LRA.

The forces will deploy beginning with a small group and grow over the next month to 100. They will ultimately go to Uganda, South Sudan, the Central African Republic, and the Democratic Republic of the Congo, with the permission of those countries.

The president made this announcement in a letter to House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, Friday afternoon, saying that “deploying these U.S. Armed Forces furthers U.S. national security interests and foreign policy and will be a significant contribution toward counter-LRA efforts in central Africa.”

He said that “although the U.S. forces are combat-equipped, they will only be providing information, advice, and assistance to partner nation forces, and they will not themselves engage LRA forces unless necessary for self-defense.”

The president said that for more than two decades the LRA has been responsible for having “murdered, raped, and kidnapped tens of thousands of men, women, and children in central Africa” and continues to “commit atrocities across the Central African Republic, the Democratic Republic of the Congo, and South Sudan that have a disproportionate impact on regional security.”



A senior Defense official says the 100 military personnel will be mostly Special Operations Forces and that they “will be traveling out to field locations in the areas affected by the LRA where they can interact with and advise those forces that are actively pursuing the LRA.” The official stressed, “they will not be engaging in direct combat against the LRA.”

The US has been helping the four African nations counter the LRA for several years by providing local militaries with training and equipment. In the Democratic Republic of the Congo the US helped train a light infantry battalion deployed to fight the LAR and over the last three years in Uganda the US has provided $33 million to help Uganda’s military.

As for how long the US troops will be in the region, a spokesman at US Africa Command says he could not provide specifics, “but our forces are prepared to stay as long as necessary to enable regional security forces to carry on independently.

The president in his letter noted that Congress passed “the Lord’s Resistance Army Disarmament and Northern Uganda Recovery Act,” signed into law on May 24, 2010, in which, the president said, “the Congress also expressed support for increased, comprehensive U.S. efforts to help mitigate and eliminate the threat posed by the LRA to civilians and regional stability.”

When the president signed that letter in May 2010, he said the bill “crystallizes the commitment of the United States to help bring an end to the brutality and destruction that have been a hallmark of the LRA across several countries for two decades, and to pursue a future of greater security and hope for the people of central Africa. The Lord’s Resistance Army preys on civilians – killing, raping, and mutilating the people of central Africa; stealing and brutalizing their children; and displacing hundreds of thousands of people. Its leadership, indicted by the International Criminal Court for crimes against humanity, has no agenda and no purpose other than its own survival. It fills its ranks of fighters with the young boys and girls it abducts. By any measure, its actions are an affront to human dignity.”

The act passed both houses of Congress with overwhelming support on May 10, 2010 with language that included “providing political, economic, military, and intelligence support for viable multilateral efforts to protect civilians from the Lord’s Resistance Army.”
Could have sworn that's how Vietnam started!

http://security.blogs.cnn.com/2011/10/14/obama-sending-combat-troops-to-central-africa-to-aid-rebel-fight/

And again,he asks no formal Permission from Congress to get involved there!


Does the shout "NEVER AGAIN" mean anyting to you?

This situation has been ongoing. We've had military there to observe on several occasions and what they observed was genocide in action. Some of those troops brought word back to the public when they could not get the military or government to take action.

The public was unaware, whether it was because the media was never informed or they produced nominal reporting on the topic perhaps becasue the inforamtion they received was played down as back page news.

Our complicit role in allowing the German holocaust to go on as long as it did was due to similar treatment from administrations of that time.

When the public became aware of our complicit role the cry went up "NEVER AGAIN" will this country allow such genocide to continue with our knowledge.

We have no excuse for our lack of knowledge in this current case. We have access to a media that is world-wide and what has been going on is not secret to the rest of the world.

There have been organizations working against mainstream media to inform the public at large but it seems most people still only read and believe their choice of local news media.

Millions have died, millions more have suffered atrociteis, and millions are currently homeless and starving.

I'm appauled that anyone would recklessly state
And again,he asks no formal Permission from Congress to get involved there!


There should NEVER be a lack of consensus for the highest official of any nation to declare "never again" and send troops to halt genocide, by force when necessary.

With regards to the action of our administration in this matter, it is too little that is offered and far too late to be considered a move toward justice and right by this administration. To me this is a campaign ploy because the atrocities have gone on daily with the knowledge of this and other administrations before it.

We also continue, not only to be complicit but we are often responsible for the genocide of the Palestinians.

With wealth and power comes a level of responsibility. Our government has had only one sector they have responded to with responsiblity and the corporate interest has no concern for genocide in the world, nor for altruistic claims made by an outraged public who are lied to regularly.

(sorry to the owner of the quote I used, it wasn't personal, but it was a great example of why we need to think about what we say and maybe research something before we comment.)




msharmony's photo
Sun 10/16/11 10:00 PM
I agree.

And I still wonder what americans who are so supportive of all the money we spend for military equipment and troops think that equipment and those troops should be doing


waiting around in america for a war to come to us?

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