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Topic: The Tea Party and Ron Paul Cheer for the Uninsured to Die
Chazster Joined Tue 08/28/07 Posts: 6206	Wed 09/14/11 08:12 AM
People claim to want national healthcare but who is gonna pay for it and how? Which country do you think has an ideal plan that would work for the US? I for one lived in Japan and know they have it and it is in no way free. You pay into something completely different from taxes. You pay based on your salary and if you are part time you pay all of it. If you are full time you company pays half. (for example if you brought home 3k a month your bill was about 300+ a month) You also are responsible for 30% of your med bills but there was about a $700 a month cap. I know canadas costs are way out of control. For 1/10 the US population they are paying 190 billion a year. Those are just the ones i know. priorities, taxes Switzerland, Britain,,,,in britain its figured in to taxes, not sure how Switzerland pays for it I dont think either country spends what we do on SPACE or MILITARY,,,, Well do you know what the cost per person is for those countries and how their system works? I mean just naming countries that have it wasn't what i was looking for.

heavenlyboy34 Joined Fri 07/04/08 Posts: 17348	Wed 09/14/11 08:21 AM
well, a provocative thread title, but the article is not even remotely true.

heavenlyboy34 Joined Fri 07/04/08 Posts: 17348	Wed 09/14/11 08:23 AM
It is not hatred to insist that people take responsibility for their lives and their choices. Ron Paul is absolutely right.

Chazster Joined Tue 08/28/07 Posts: 6206	Wed 09/14/11 08:29 AM
It is not hatred to insist that people take responsibility for their lives and their choices. Ron Paul is absolutely right. Yea this thread title is totally wrong. Supporting personal responsibility and not wanting the government to pay for everything is not celebrating wanting people to die. Should the government pay for personal trainers for severely overweight people who have increased risks of death because of their weight? I mean its their choices that made them that way. Choices and consequences. That is what life is about. The government shouldn't baby people. Not everyone shares that opinion but its not a bad opinion.

Peccy Joined Thu 06/28/07 Posts: 17181	Wed 09/14/11 09:29 AM
Showing their hatred of other people should show real Americans what they are about and not to back them. Repub and tea party are the parties of hatred. They house most of the hateful people in this country. Hate never equals a good end for anyone who participates in it. LOL! I am not for Ron or the repubs, but it appears you should probably take some of your own advice! Every time I see a post of yours you have something negative to say about this party or that party as if the Democratic party is the only way for a sane person to go. A sane person would most likely see through the BS of ALL parties and realize that they should be thrown away quicker than inhibitions on prom night!

heavenlyboy34 Joined Fri 07/04/08 Posts: 17348	Wed 09/14/11 09:59 AM
Showing their hatred of other people should show real Americans what they are about and not to back them. Repub and tea party are the parties of hatred. They house most of the hateful people in this country. Hate never equals a good end for anyone who participates in it. LOL! I am not for Ron or the repubs, but it appears you should probably take some of your own advice! Every time I see a post of yours you have something negative to say about this party or that party as if the Democratic party is the only way for a sane person to go. A sane person would most likely see through the BS of ALL parties and realize that they should be thrown away quicker than inhibitions on prom night! A-MEN!!

Chazster Joined Tue 08/28/07 Posts: 6206	Wed 09/14/11 10:51 AM
Showing their hatred of other people should show real Americans what they are about and not to back them. Repub and tea party are the parties of hatred. They house most of the hateful people in this country. Hate never equals a good end for anyone who participates in it. LOL! I am not for Ron or the repubs, but it appears you should probably take some of your own advice! Every time I see a post of yours you have something negative to say about this party or that party as if the Democratic party is the only way for a sane person to go. A sane person would most likely see through the BS of ALL parties and realize that they should be thrown away quicker than inhibitions on prom night! And that is why I am independent my good sir. Then I can just vote for who I think is the least insane.

Ruth34611 Joined Sat 08/02/08 Posts: 32402	Wed 09/14/11 12:40 PM
And that is why I am independent my good sir. Then I can just vote for who I think is the least insane. Ditto.

CleanBathroom Joined Thu 02/07/08 Posts: 5544	Wed 09/14/11 12:51 PM
I'm starting to hate this thread. Does that mean I'm an elephant now?

Ruth34611 Joined Sat 08/02/08 Posts: 32402	Wed 09/14/11 12:54 PM
This is a non-partisan thread.

Kleisto Joined Tue 05/13/08 Posts: 5704	Wed 09/14/11 01:08 PM
Its hard for me to think of OBama as a puppet when every other proposal is fought tooth and nail by government officials Hard to believe or not, it is the case. As for the proposal thing, I see that as more just a show than anything else. Mainstream politics is as real as professional wrestling is. That is to say, it's not.

CleanBathroom Joined Thu 02/07/08 Posts: 5544	Wed 09/14/11 01:17 PM
OMG!!!! Wrestling IS real!

Kleisto Joined Tue 05/13/08 Posts: 5704	Wed 09/14/11 02:55 PM
OMG!!!! Wrestling IS real! Very funny lol.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Wed 09/14/11 09:19 PM
It is not hatred to insist that people take responsibility for their lives and their choices. Ron Paul is absolutely right. Yea this thread title is totally wrong. Supporting personal responsibility and not wanting the government to pay for everything is not celebrating wanting people to die. Should the government pay for personal trainers for severely overweight people who have increased risks of death because of their weight? I mean its their choices that made them that way. Choices and consequences. That is what life is about. The government shouldn't baby people. Not everyone shares that opinion but its not a bad opinion. THE GOVERNMENT PAYS = the citizens taxes pay for,,, that includes citizens that have made bad choices in any area of their life but still WORK,,,,and help the economy and the corporations continue to expand and profit

Kleisto Joined Tue 05/13/08 Posts: 5704	Wed 09/14/11 09:31 PM
It is not hatred to insist that people take responsibility for their lives and their choices. Ron Paul is absolutely right. Yea this thread title is totally wrong. Supporting personal responsibility and not wanting the government to pay for everything is not celebrating wanting people to die. Should the government pay for personal trainers for severely overweight people who have increased risks of death because of their weight? I mean its their choices that made them that way. Choices and consequences. That is what life is about. The government shouldn't baby people. Not everyone shares that opinion but its not a bad opinion. THE GOVERNMENT PAYS = the citizens taxes pay for,,, that includes citizens that have made bad choices in any area of their life but still WORK,,,,and help the economy and the corporations continue to expand and profit The only part I remotely agree with is the corporations part, and they are a huge part of the problem in this country cause they have taken over everything and still want more yet. It is insanity. They do nothing to help the economy, only to line their own pockets further while making it harder for the little guys to do the same.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Wed 09/14/11 09:38 PM
So when we say the 'government pays for' do we mean the politicians are putting together a personal fund to tend to expenses? or doesnt that mean the politicians decide how to use the FUND that the CITIZENS PAY INTO,, to tend to the expenses the citizens vote to have tended to?

Kleisto Joined Tue 05/13/08 Posts: 5704	Wed 09/14/11 09:46 PM
So when we say the 'government pays for' do we mean the politicians are putting together a personal fund to tend to expenses? or doesnt that mean the politicians decide how to use the FUND that the CITIZENS PAY INTO,, to tend to the expenses the citizens vote to have tended to? I would contend they flat steal from the people to line their own pockets, they could give a rats about us.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Wed 09/14/11 09:56 PM
So when we say the 'government pays for' do we mean the politicians are putting together a personal fund to tend to expenses? or doesnt that mean the politicians decide how to use the FUND that the CITIZENS PAY INTO,, to tend to the expenses the citizens vote to have tended to? I would contend they flat steal from the people to line their own pockets, they could give a rats about us. this doesnt seem rational either, I know of several who would make MUCH more in a more traditional high paying job like law or medicine, and would have more time with their family, and more privacy, and more of a right to be human and have flaws... OBama can make much more with books and law, than what he gets as PResident. And there are at least a dozen other examples like his. I think the argument that they are all just in it to line their pocket is illogical.

Kleisto Joined Tue 05/13/08 Posts: 5704	Wed 09/14/11 10:09 PM
So when we say the 'government pays for' do we mean the politicians are putting together a personal fund to tend to expenses? or doesnt that mean the politicians decide how to use the FUND that the CITIZENS PAY INTO,, to tend to the expenses the citizens vote to have tended to? I would contend they flat steal from the people to line their own pockets, they could give a rats about us. this doesnt seem rational either, I know of several who would make MUCH more in a more traditional high paying job like law or medicine, and would have more time with their family, and more privacy, and more of a right to be human and have flaws... OBama can make much more with books and law, than what he gets as PResident. And there are at least a dozen other examples like his. I think the argument that they are all just in it to line their pocket is illogical. I understand you don't wanna think your government is gonna be out to harm you, but take off the blinders for a second and look at it objectively. If you do that, you'll see it by and large is the case, they are not who you think that they are and have not been for a long time. But the only way to see that is to open yourself to the possibility first, which is evidently hard for you to do. Otherwise what I say just goes over your head.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Wed 09/14/11 10:13 PM Edited by msharmony on Wed 09/14/11 10:13 PM
So when we say the 'government pays for' do we mean the politicians are putting together a personal fund to tend to expenses? or doesnt that mean the politicians decide how to use the FUND that the CITIZENS PAY INTO,, to tend to the expenses the citizens vote to have tended to? I would contend they flat steal from the people to line their own pockets, they could give a rats about us. this doesnt seem rational either, I know of several who would make MUCH more in a more traditional high paying job like law or medicine, and would have more time with their family, and more privacy, and more of a right to be human and have flaws... OBama can make much more with books and law, than what he gets as PResident. And there are at least a dozen other examples like his. I think the argument that they are all just in it to line their pocket is illogical. I understand you don't wanna think your government is gonna be out to harm you, but take off the blinders for a second and look at it objectively. If you do that, you'll see it by and large is the case, they are not who you think that they are and have not been for a long time. But the only way to see that is to open yourself to the possibility first, which is evidently hard for you to do. Otherwise what I say just goes over your head. trust me here, nothing you are saying goes over my head,,, I dont have on blinders, I just dont partake in the mass paranoia that insists that the government(Which is made up of INDIVIDUALS) is a living, breathing, entity capable of being 'out to get us' it is a collection of individuals , some capable of dishonesty and some not, some seeking to help others, some seeking to help themself ,,I am so innocent of having blinders on I am actually capable of seeing many different perspectives and possibilities instead of just the WORST possible one,,,,