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Edited by
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A life of holiness is what God called us to live.Heb 12:14.It is sweet and joyful to be without sin day in day out!
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my "sins" have given me invaluable life experience,
enhanced my spirituality and gifted me with compassion and understanding for my fellow humans.... my days are sweet and joyful with "sin" |
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my "sins" have given me invaluable life experience, enhanced my spirituality and gifted me with compassion and understanding for my fellow humans.... my days are sweet and joyful with "sin" but do you know there is God? |
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my "sins" have given me invaluable life experience, enhanced my spirituality and gifted me with compassion and understanding for my fellow humans.... my days are sweet and joyful with "sin" but do you know there is God? How do you know there is not? |
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we know what we know, we dont all know the same thing
one child may think its joyous and wonderful to have a hamburger(Because they are used to soup) another may not find joy in the hamburgers they are used to but get pleasure out of seafood and steak the first child will see no need or desire to try the seafood and steak, for the joy they know is already good enough for them and the height of what they can imagine enjoying,,, ,,,its life,,, |
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A life of holiness is what God called us to live.Heb 12:14.It is sweet and joyful to be without sin day in day out! I cant imagine a lifetime without sin, anymore than I Can a lifetime without sadness or anger,, but I can imagine a lifetime of learning a better way to live, without the sadness or anger or sin,,, I think it comes, like everything else, with time and experience and wisdom,, |
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Now listen carefuly,God is not a liar,he cant tell us 2do wat he knows is not posible,he said 'be ye holy 4 i'm holy'.he said witout holines no man can see God.holines is a state of being free frm sin, so a beliver can stay witout sin tru d help of d holyspirit.john16:7-8.holines is not by our power,wisdom,knowleg but is by d leading of d holyghost,ROMANS 8:4,5,14. so beliva seek d holyspirit
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Edited by
Kleisto
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Sat 08/20/11 10:47 PM
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Now listen carefuly,God is not a liar,he cant tell us 2do wat he knows is not posible,he said 'be ye holy 4 i'm holy'.he said witout holines no man can see God.holines is a state of being free frm sin, so a beliver can stay witout sin tru d help of d holyspirit.john16:7-8.holines is not by our power,wisdom,knowleg but is by d leading of d holyghost,ROMANS 8:4,5,14. so beliva seek d holyspirit Nope God is not a liar......but men can be, and men wrote the Bible. |
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Now listen carefuly,God is not a liar,he cant tell us 2do wat he knows is not posible,he said 'be ye holy 4 i'm holy'.he said witout holines no man can see God.holines is a state of being free frm sin, so a beliver can stay witout sin tru d help of d holyspirit.john16:7-8.holines is not by our power,wisdom,knowleg but is by d leading of d holyghost,ROMANS 8:4,5,14. so beliva seek d holyspirit Nope God is not a liar......but men can be, and men wrote the Bible. Man was the hand in writing the bible, God was the knowledge the one that gave the words. Man just merely relayed a message from God. |
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Now listen carefuly,God is not a liar,he cant tell us 2do wat he knows is not posible,he said 'be ye holy 4 i'm holy'.he said witout holines no man can see God.holines is a state of being free frm sin, so a beliver can stay witout sin tru d help of d holyspirit.john16:7-8.holines is not by our power,wisdom,knowleg but is by d leading of d holyghost,ROMANS 8:4,5,14. so beliva seek d holyspirit Nope God is not a liar......but men can be, and men wrote the Bible. Man was the hand in writing the bible, God was the knowledge the one that gave the words. Man just merely relayed a message from God. Well for me a lot of the so called knowledge doesn't pass the smell test. Unless you could convince me otherwise which I highly doubt, it is not anything from God in my mind. |
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Now listen carefuly,God is not a liar,he cant tell us 2do wat he knows is not posible,he said 'be ye holy 4 i'm holy'.he said witout holines no man can see God.holines is a state of being free frm sin, so a beliver can stay witout sin tru d help of d holyspirit.john16:7-8.holines is not by our power,wisdom,knowleg but is by d leading of d holyghost,ROMANS 8:4,5,14. so beliva seek d holyspirit Nope God is not a liar......but men can be, and men wrote the Bible. Man was the hand in writing the bible, God was the knowledge the one that gave the words. Man just merely relayed a message from God. Well for me a lot of the so called knowledge doesn't pass the smell test. Unless you could convince me otherwise which I highly doubt, it is not anything from God in my mind. I can't convince you, nobody can convince you. It's not something you have to or need to be convinced of, it's a personal choice. It's not something anyone could give you, nor can they take it away, again it is purely a choice. |
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Edited by
Kleisto
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Sun 08/21/11 12:06 AM
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Now listen carefuly,God is not a liar,he cant tell us 2do wat he knows is not posible,he said 'be ye holy 4 i'm holy'.he said witout holines no man can see God.holines is a state of being free frm sin, so a beliver can stay witout sin tru d help of d holyspirit.john16:7-8.holines is not by our power,wisdom,knowleg but is by d leading of d holyghost,ROMANS 8:4,5,14. so beliva seek d holyspirit Nope God is not a liar......but men can be, and men wrote the Bible. Man was the hand in writing the bible, God was the knowledge the one that gave the words. Man just merely relayed a message from God. Well for me a lot of the so called knowledge doesn't pass the smell test. Unless you could convince me otherwise which I highly doubt, it is not anything from God in my mind. I can't convince you, nobody can convince you. It's not something you have to or need to be convinced of, it's a personal choice. It's not something anyone could give you, nor can they take it away, again it is purely a choice. Problem is you people tie it in with a consequence when you have no proof of it. It's all based on something that could easily be false. Yet it's always used on the non believers to keep them in line. It's as much of a choice under those grounds as it is a choice when a rapist tells his victim that she is free to leave but she will be killed if she tries. Hypothetically does she have a choice? Yes. But in reality does she? Not really. |
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Now listen carefuly,God is not a liar,he cant tell us 2do wat he knows is not posible,he said 'be ye holy 4 i'm holy'.he said witout holines no man can see God.holines is a state of being free frm sin, so a beliver can stay witout sin tru d help of d holyspirit.john16:7-8.holines is not by our power,wisdom,knowleg but is by d leading of d holyghost,ROMANS 8:4,5,14. so beliva seek d holyspirit Nope God is not a liar......but men can be, and men wrote the Bible. Man was the hand in writing the bible, God was the knowledge the one that gave the words. Man just merely relayed a message from God. A true omnipotent God would have been able to write a much better book than that! If God did relay the words he is slap-dash at best. |
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I can't convince you, nobody can convince you. It's not something you have to or need to be convinced of, it's a personal choice. It's not something anyone could give you, nor can they take it away, again it is purely a choice. you know cowboy, this is one of the deepest, most sincere posts i've read |
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I can't convince you, nobody can convince you. It's not something you have to or need to be convinced of, it's a personal choice. It's not something anyone could give you, nor can they take it away, again it is purely a choice. you know cowboy, this is one of the deepest, most sincere posts i've read That's why I've said many times that I'm not here trying to change anyone's mind or convince them of anything. Just here purely for the discussions and the sharing of one's beliefs. Cause someone is going to believe anything they want to believe. You can NOT change someone's belief, only they can do that. You can help influence the change, but you could never literally change it. And if you push your beliefs trying to persuade them it pushes them away a lot of the time. That is why there is no room or place for arguing one's beliefs with another. That is why I don't see why people try that, especially here. Nothing will come of it. |
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Now listen carefuly,God is not a liar,he cant tell us 2do wat he knows is not posible,he said 'be ye holy 4 i'm holy'.he said witout holines no man can see God.holines is a state of being free frm sin, so a beliver can stay witout sin tru d help of d holyspirit.john16:7-8.holines is not by our power,wisdom,knowleg but is by d leading of d holyghost,ROMANS 8:4,5,14. so beliva seek d holyspirit Nope God is not a liar......but men can be, and men wrote the Bible. Man was the hand in writing the bible, God was the knowledge the one that gave the words. Man just merely relayed a message from God. A true omnipotent God would have been able to write a much better book than that! If God did relay the words he is slap-dash at best. That's a bit vague, please elaborate on the subject.... it could have been better? How exactly could it have been better in your view? |
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Now listen carefuly,God is not a liar,he cant tell us 2do wat he knows is not posible,he said 'be ye holy 4 i'm holy'.he said witout holines no man can see God.holines is a state of being free frm sin, so a beliver can stay witout sin tru d help of d holyspirit.john16:7-8.holines is not by our power,wisdom,knowleg but is by d leading of d holyghost,ROMANS 8:4,5,14. so beliva seek d holyspirit Nope God is not a liar......but men can be, and men wrote the Bible. Man was the hand in writing the bible, God was the knowledge the one that gave the words. Man just merely relayed a message from God. A true omnipotent God would have been able to write a much better book than that! If God did relay the words he is slap-dash at best. That's a bit vague, please elaborate on the subject.... it could have been better? How exactly could it have been better in your view? Anything i could say now you would respond with equal vagueness. The whole existence of God is vague. Plus im not in the mood to elaborate(plus i dont know ****!). |
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Now listen carefuly,God is not a liar,he cant tell us 2do wat he knows is not posible,he said 'be ye holy 4 i'm holy'.he said witout holines no man can see God.holines is a state of being free frm sin, so a beliver can stay witout sin tru d help of d holyspirit.john16:7-8.holines is not by our power,wisdom,knowleg but is by d leading of d holyghost,ROMANS 8:4,5,14. so beliva seek d holyspirit Nope God is not a liar......but men can be, and men wrote the Bible. Man was the hand in writing the bible, God was the knowledge the one that gave the words. Man just merely relayed a message from God. A true omnipotent God would have been able to write a much better book than that! If God did relay the words he is slap-dash at best. That's a bit vague, please elaborate on the subject.... it could have been better? How exactly could it have been better in your view? Anything i could say now you would respond with equal vagueness. The whole existence of God is vague. Plus im not in the mood to elaborate(plus i dont know ****!). That's peculiar. If you know God could have written a much better story, then how do you not know how it could have been better? Reason you have trouble with the bible itself is you're reading it as a story. You're reading it as the things in the bible were premeditated. The bible is history, and prophesies of the future, things in the bible happened. They aren't just some fairy tell stories someone made up one day. How could people write 66 books in different places, people not knowing one another, people not having decided just to write a story up one day, how could they all work together? How could they be consistent amongst one another? Yeah yea, oh there's contradictions and what not people claim. No there are not. This has even been tried in this forum, yeah I know we couldn't find an explanation for ALL the supposed contradictions, but we did show most were not and given time I'm 100% sure we would have clarified the rest as well. |
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Now listen carefuly,God is not a liar,he cant tell us 2do wat he knows is not posible,he said 'be ye holy 4 i'm holy'.he said witout holines no man can see God.holines is a state of being free frm sin, so a beliver can stay witout sin tru d help of d holyspirit.john16:7-8.holines is not by our power,wisdom,knowleg but is by d leading of d holyghost,ROMANS 8:4,5,14. so beliva seek d holyspirit Nope God is not a liar......but men can be, and men wrote the Bible. Man was the hand in writing the bible, God was the knowledge the one that gave the words. Man just merely relayed a message from God. A true omnipotent God would have been able to write a much better book than that! If God did relay the words he is slap-dash at best. That's a bit vague, please elaborate on the subject.... it could have been better? How exactly could it have been better in your view? Anything i could say now you would respond with equal vagueness. The whole existence of God is vague. Plus im not in the mood to elaborate(plus i dont know ****!). That's peculiar. If you know God could have written a much better story, then how do you not know how it could have been better? Reason you have trouble with the bible itself is you're reading it as a story. You're reading it as the things in the bible were premeditated. The bible is history, and prophesies of the future, things in the bible happened. They aren't just some fairy tell stories someone made up one day. How could people write 66 books in different places, people not knowing one another, people not having decided just to write a story up one day, how could they all work together? How could they be consistent amongst one another? Yeah yea, oh there's contradictions and what not people claim. No there are not. This has even been tried in this forum, yeah I know we couldn't find an explanation for ALL the supposed contradictions, but we did show most were not and given time I'm 100% sure we would have clarified the rest as well. I dont doubt that you can find an explanation for all the contradictions. The explanations that you give though only satisfy yourself and other people who have a desperate need to convince yourselves that you haven't been living a lie your whole lives. These justifications are always very subjective and very vague. The book is quite impressive in many ways if you assume man wrote it on his own, but to say that your omnipotent god relayed the words to man is in itself proof enough to me that your god is at least not omnipotent at all. |
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Now listen carefuly,God is not a liar,he cant tell us 2do wat he knows is not posible,he said 'be ye holy 4 i'm holy'.he said witout holines no man can see God.holines is a state of being free frm sin, so a beliver can stay witout sin tru d help of d holyspirit.john16:7-8.holines is not by our power,wisdom,knowleg but is by d leading of d holyghost,ROMANS 8:4,5,14. so beliva seek d holyspirit Nope God is not a liar......but men can be, and men wrote the Bible. Man was the hand in writing the bible, God was the knowledge the one that gave the words. Man just merely relayed a message from God. A true omnipotent God would have been able to write a much better book than that! If God did relay the words he is slap-dash at best. That's a bit vague, please elaborate on the subject.... it could have been better? How exactly could it have been better in your view? Anything i could say now you would respond with equal vagueness. The whole existence of God is vague. Plus im not in the mood to elaborate(plus i dont know ****!). That's peculiar. If you know God could have written a much better story, then how do you not know how it could have been better? Reason you have trouble with the bible itself is you're reading it as a story. You're reading it as the things in the bible were premeditated. The bible is history, and prophesies of the future, things in the bible happened. They aren't just some fairy tell stories someone made up one day. How could people write 66 books in different places, people not knowing one another, people not having decided just to write a story up one day, how could they all work together? How could they be consistent amongst one another? Yeah yea, oh there's contradictions and what not people claim. No there are not. This has even been tried in this forum, yeah I know we couldn't find an explanation for ALL the supposed contradictions, but we did show most were not and given time I'm 100% sure we would have clarified the rest as well. I dont doubt that you can find an explanation for all the contradictions. The explanations that you give though only satisfy yourself and other people who have a desperate need to convince yourselves that you haven't been living a lie your whole lives. These justifications are always very subjective and very vague. The book is quite impressive in many ways if you assume man wrote it on his own, but to say that your omnipotent god relayed the words to man is in itself proof enough to me that your god is at least not omnipotent at all. There's no desperate need for anything, why you say such nonsense? I have no need to justify anything for you, nor do I have anything to justify for myself. Not selling anything here, not changing anyone's views, not even trying to at that. We're DISCUSSING in a DISCUSSION forum. Just purely getting to know one another on a deeper level then "Hey, what's up". Religion plays a large part in who people are, if that's a belief in something, or an atheist. Both beliefs mold the person into who they are. The contradictions only appear because of lacking of knowledge in the specific area that the contradiction is supposedly in. When something is not understood, it is seen as incorrect. And or is seen to have some form of problems, that is their explanation for not understanding what is therein. |
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