Topic: Portion of Obamacare unconstitutional says court.
boredinaz06's photo
Fri 08/12/11 03:43 PM

DUH, really????



A federal appeals court in Atlanta ruled Friday that a provision in President Obama's health care law requiring citizens to buy health insurance is unconstitutional, but the court didn't strike down the rest of the law.

The decision is a major setback for the White House, which had appealed a ruling by a lower court judge who struck down the entire law in January. But given that another appeals court, in Cincinnati, has upheld the law, it is increasingly clear that the Supreme Court will have the final say.

"We strongly disagree with this decision and we are confident it will not stand," White House spokeswoman Stephanie Cutter said in a statement.

On Friday, the divided three-judge panel of the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals sided with 26 states that filed a lawsuit to block Obama's signature domestic initiative. The panel said that Congress exceeded its constitutional authority by requiring Americans to buy insurance or face penalties.

"This economic mandate represents a wholly novel and potentially unbounded assertion of congressional authority," the panel said in the majority opinion.

The majority also said that a basic objective of the law is to "make health insurance coverage accessible and thereby to reduce the number of uninsured persons." Without the individual mandate, the majority said, the law "retains many other provisions that help to accomplish some of the same objectives as the individual mandate."

The decision is a review of a sweeping ruling by a Florida judge, who not only struck down a requirement that nearly all Americans carry health insurance, but he also threw out other provisions ranging from Medicare discounts for some seniors to a change that allows adult children up to age 26 to remain on their parents' coverage.

The states urged the 11th Circuit to uphold U.S. District Judge Roger Vinson's ruling, saying in a court filing that letting the law stand would set a troubling precedent that "would imperil individual liberty, render Congress's other enumerated powers superfluous, and allow Congress to usurp the general police power reserved to the states."

The Justice Department countered that Congress had the power to require most people to buy health insurance or face tax penalties because Congress has the authority to regulate interstate business. It said the legislative branch was exercising its "quintessential" rights when it adopted the new law.

During oral arguments in June, the three-judge panel repeatedly raised questions about the overhaul and expressed unease with the insurance requirement. Each of the three worried aloud if upholding the landmark law could open the door to Congress adopting other sweeping economic mandates.

The arguments unfolded in what's considered one of the nation's most conservative appeals courts. But the randomly selected panel represents different judicial perspectives. None of the three is considered either a stalwart conservative or an unfaltering liberal.

The National Federation of Independent Business (NFIB), the only private group to join the 26 states in the lawsuit, cheered the decision.

"Small-business owners across the country have been vindicated by the 11th Circuit's ruling that the individual mandate in the health-care law is unconstitutional," said Karen Harned, executive director of the group's legal center.

"The court reaffirmed what small businesses already knew - there are limits to Congress' power. And the individual mandate, which compels every American to buy health insurance or pay a fine, is a bridge too far," she said.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/08/12/us-appeals-court-rules-against-obamas-health-care-law/#ixzz1UrD9rQ5w

msharmony's photo
Fri 08/12/11 05:47 PM
Ok, so two things

First, I hope someone will go to bat to appeal mandatory auto insurance. I do understand driving a car is a privilege , but BUYING a car is not. I dont see how I can be mandated to have insurance for a car, EVEN IF IT JUST SITS IN MY DRIVEWAY.


Second, I already know an easy way around this. The government can offer an insurance credit, the way they offer childcare credits for parents, or write offs for business owners. Just offer a credit on taxes at income tax time to give people INCENTIVE to purchase the insurance.

But even if the mandatory doesnt pass, it will still be quite the accomplishment to require the insurance companies not to discriminate against the ill.


Lpdon's photo
Fri 08/12/11 05:52 PM


DUH, really????



A federal appeals court in Atlanta ruled Friday that a provision in President Obama's health care law requiring citizens to buy health insurance is unconstitutional, but the court didn't strike down the rest of the law.

The decision is a major setback for the White House, which had appealed a ruling by a lower court judge who struck down the entire law in January. But given that another appeals court, in Cincinnati, has upheld the law, it is increasingly clear that the Supreme Court will have the final say.

"We strongly disagree with this decision and we are confident it will not stand," White House spokeswoman Stephanie Cutter said in a statement.

On Friday, the divided three-judge panel of the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals sided with 26 states that filed a lawsuit to block Obama's signature domestic initiative. The panel said that Congress exceeded its constitutional authority by requiring Americans to buy insurance or face penalties.

"This economic mandate represents a wholly novel and potentially unbounded assertion of congressional authority," the panel said in the majority opinion.

The majority also said that a basic objective of the law is to "make health insurance coverage accessible and thereby to reduce the number of uninsured persons." Without the individual mandate, the majority said, the law "retains many other provisions that help to accomplish some of the same objectives as the individual mandate."

The decision is a review of a sweeping ruling by a Florida judge, who not only struck down a requirement that nearly all Americans carry health insurance, but he also threw out other provisions ranging from Medicare discounts for some seniors to a change that allows adult children up to age 26 to remain on their parents' coverage.

The states urged the 11th Circuit to uphold U.S. District Judge Roger Vinson's ruling, saying in a court filing that letting the law stand would set a troubling precedent that "would imperil individual liberty, render Congress's other enumerated powers superfluous, and allow Congress to usurp the general police power reserved to the states."

The Justice Department countered that Congress had the power to require most people to buy health insurance or face tax penalties because Congress has the authority to regulate interstate business. It said the legislative branch was exercising its "quintessential" rights when it adopted the new law.

During oral arguments in June, the three-judge panel repeatedly raised questions about the overhaul and expressed unease with the insurance requirement. Each of the three worried aloud if upholding the landmark law could open the door to Congress adopting other sweeping economic mandates.

The arguments unfolded in what's considered one of the nation's most conservative appeals courts. But the randomly selected panel represents different judicial perspectives. None of the three is considered either a stalwart conservative or an unfaltering liberal.

The National Federation of Independent Business (NFIB), the only private group to join the 26 states in the lawsuit, cheered the decision.

"Small-business owners across the country have been vindicated by the 11th Circuit's ruling that the individual mandate in the health-care law is unconstitutional," said Karen Harned, executive director of the group's legal center.

"The court reaffirmed what small businesses already knew - there are limits to Congress' power. And the individual mandate, which compels every American to buy health insurance or pay a fine, is a bridge too far," she said.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/08/12/us-appeals-court-rules-against-obamas-health-care-law/#ixzz1UrD9rQ5w



:thumbsup: :banana: :thumbsup: Obama is tanking big time. He is snowballing down the hill worse then Jimmy Carter and we all saw how that turned out! :banana: :thumbsup: :banana:

boredinaz06's photo
Fri 08/12/11 05:53 PM

Ok, so two things

First, I hope someone will go to bat to appeal mandatory auto insurance. I do understand driving a car is a privilege , but BUYING a car is not. I dont see how I can be mandated to have insurance for a car, EVEN IF IT JUST SITS IN MY DRIVEWAY.


Second, I already know an easy way around this. The government can offer an insurance credit, the way they offer childcare credits for parents, or write offs for business owners. Just offer a credit on taxes at income tax time to give people INCENTIVE to purchase the insurance.

But even if the mandatory doesnt pass, it will still be quite the accomplishment to require the insurance companies not to discriminate against the ill.




There are portions of this law that I think are spot on, then there are portions that are so bad they make the good parts look worthless. I like the fact that you cannot be turned down for pre existing conditions for example. If he really wanted to reform health care he would have required insurance companies to stay out of the way of doctors and their patients, he would have required them to cover everything and he would have limited (capped) what they could charge for premiums and he could have done that before the republicans took the house, now it will never happen.

Lpdon's photo
Fri 08/12/11 08:03 PM
Since it has been ruled Unconstitutional they should arrest and send to prison the idiot who signed it into law!

Dragoness's photo
Fri 08/12/11 08:43 PM
slaphead spock Only if Baby Bush goes to war crime jail.

Dragoness's photo
Fri 08/12/11 08:47 PM
Harmony, they have an option similar to that available to them, it is already used when Medicare people opt out of plan B. They end up suffering a tax penalty for the rest of their time for not taking it.

So do not consider this a loss yet. It has a long way to go in court anyway.

They are going to fight tooth and nail but even if they get this one small victory, there is a way around it that will make it right again.

Dragoness's photo
Fri 08/12/11 08:52 PM
Another thing that has kinda teed me off about this whole deal is the damn waivers Obama has been giving out to some big *** corporations like McDonalds so they don't have to comply with the health insurance thing anyway.

boredinaz06's photo
Fri 08/12/11 09:05 PM

Another thing that has kinda teed me off about this whole deal is the damn waivers Obama has been giving out to some big *** corporations like McDonalds so they don't have to comply with the health insurance thing anyway.


Obama is just another politician and not the darling you think he is.

Dragoness's photo
Fri 08/12/11 09:10 PM
Edited by Dragoness on Fri 08/12/11 09:14 PM


Another thing that has kinda teed me off about this whole deal is the damn waivers Obama has been giving out to some big *** corporations like McDonalds so they don't have to comply with the health insurance thing anyway.


Obama is just another politician and not the darling you think he is.


I guess you don't know me well at all, that is not accurate.

Obama has this countries best interest at heart, that doesn't make him a darling, it made him the best choice.

He pisses me off all the time, I am just not ignorant acting when I am not happy with him

boredinaz06's photo
Fri 08/12/11 09:22 PM



Another thing that has kinda teed me off about this whole deal is the damn waivers Obama has been giving out to some big *** corporations like McDonalds so they don't have to comply with the health insurance thing anyway.


Obama is just another politician and not the darling you think he is.


I guess you don't know me well at all, that is not accurate.

Obama has this countries best interest at heart, that doesn't make him a darling, it made him the best choice.

He pisses me off all the time, I am just not ignorant acting when I am not happy with him


Obama was a choice all right. I know several guys who were "encouraged" by their wives to vote for the son of a *****.