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Topic: What is a thought?
creativesoul Joined Mon 04/16/07 Posts: 9166	Tue 07/26/11 07:48 PM
What possible reason is there to hold otherwise?

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Tue 07/26/11 08:00 PM
What possible reason is there to hold otherwise? ... experience? Have you ever had a feeling that words cannot describe or have you ever seen or imagined with your minds eye a multi-dimensional object that you can't possibly describe or draw because you can only think in 4 dimensions?

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Tue 07/26/11 08:02 PM
Its been nice talking but I have out of town guests coming and a lot of work to do so I am going to ban myself from mingle for about a week. later !!

creativesoul Joined Mon 04/16/07 Posts: 9166	Tue 07/26/11 08:11 PM
Enjoy your company Jb.

creativesoul Joined Mon 04/16/07 Posts: 9166	Wed 07/27/11 10:39 AM Edited by creativesoul on Wed 07/27/11 10:40 AM
Have you ever had a feeling that words cannot describe or have you ever seen or imagined with your minds eye a multi-dimensional object that you can't possibly describe or draw because you can only think in 4 dimensions? How does either one of these amount to anything other than the subject not knowing how to talk about what it is that they are feeling and/or thinking?

creativesoul Joined Mon 04/16/07 Posts: 9166	Wed 07/27/11 11:10 AM
What is a thought if it is not to think about something? I mean what is left of a thought if the object of thought is removed?

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Wed 07/27/11 11:39 AM
What is a thought if it is not to think about something? I mean what is left of a thought if the object of thought is removed? By "object" does that include imagined geometric shapes?

creativesoul Joined Mon 04/16/07 Posts: 9166	Wed 07/27/11 12:18 PM
Yes. The object of thought is whatever you're thinking about.

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Wed 07/27/11 12:23 PM
So then do you agree that thoughts are things?

creativesoul Joined Mon 04/16/07 Posts: 9166	Wed 07/27/11 12:29 PM
Yes.

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Wed 07/27/11 12:47 PM
Yes. Awesome! We finally have a premise. Thoughts are things.

creativesoul Joined Mon 04/16/07 Posts: 9166	Wed 07/27/11 01:12 PM
JB, you do realize that contrary to popular opinion on these boards, a premiss is not necessary to do philosophy?

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Wed 07/27/11 01:27 PM Edited by Jeanniebean on Wed 07/27/11 01:28 PM
JB, you do realize that contrary to popular opinion on these boards, a premiss is not necessary to do philosophy? Really? Well I find it really helps a lot in any argument or discussion to be on the same page. AT LEAST. For you and me... we are usually in a different book completely, let alone on the same page.

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Wed 07/27/11 01:57 PM
So we agree that thoughts are 'things.' So now we need to discover what our position on "things" is. I think we can agree that a chair or a cup on the table is a thing. Is an idea a 'thing?" Is a feeling, a thing? Is a vision a thing? Is a memory a thing? Are these objective things or subjective things?

creativesoul Joined Mon 04/16/07 Posts: 9166	Wed 07/27/11 01:58 PM
Using clear and concise terms to get points across usually bridges that gap, assuming of course that both parties know what the other means by their use of said terms and that use remains consistent throughout the discussion.

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Wed 07/27/11 02:00 PM
Are these 'thoughts?" A notion. An Intention. A visualization. An idea. A perception. (This apple tastes crunchy and juicy and sweet.) An emotion. (feeling) (I'm so angry or happy..)

creativesoul Joined Mon 04/16/07 Posts: 9166	Wed 07/27/11 02:01 PM
So we agree that thoughts are 'things.' So now we need to discover what our position on "things" is. I think we can agree that a chair or a cup on the table is a thing. Is an idea a 'thing?" Is a feeling, a thing? Is a vision a thing? Is a memory a thing? Anything one can talk about is a thing. Are these objective things or subjective things? I do not think that the objective/subjective distinction can account for all of the different kinds of things. Some are both, some are one or the other, some are neither.

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Wed 07/27/11 02:02 PM
Using clear and concise terms to get points across usually bridges that gap, assuming of course that both parties know what the other means by their use of said terms and that use remains consistent throughout the discussion. We haven't gotten to communication between two people yet Creative. I am just making sure we agree on what a thought actually is. Forget 'terms' and and language for right now.

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Wed 07/27/11 02:03 PM
I do not think that the objective/subjective distinction can account for all of the different kinds of things. Some are both, some are one or the other, some are neither. Could you give some examples please? Of all the above mentioned?

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Wed 07/27/11 02:05 PM
So we agree that thoughts are 'things.' So now we need to discover what our position on "things" is. I think we can agree that a chair or a cup on the table is a thing. Is an idea a 'thing?" Is a feeling, a thing? Is a vision a thing? Is a memory a thing? Anything one can talk about is a thing. Okay we have another agreement. All of the above are things.