Why does health care cost so much?

http://moneyland.time.com/2010/02/25/why-is-health-care-so-expensive-let-us-count-the-conspirators/

Can anyone provide solutions to these problem? Arguing about single payer systems, or universal health care when the cost is so outrageous seems like trying to dig a hole through the floor of your burning house to get out.

We need to do what Germany did, ALL Insurance and ALL HEALTHCARE are NOT FOR PROFIT! That cut the cost dramatically. We also need a BS committee to deal with stupid and unwarranted lawsuits.

That's why the US and Israel make the majority of the world's medical advances, because the smart people see that there is money to be made in the field. Make it non-profit and we'll stop advancing medicine.



No, we should make it so that losers in civil cases have to pay the winners legal fees. Adding a new bureaucracy isn't going to help anything, except some fat cats get fatter.

I am assuming you gentlemen are from the US, so, here is what I suggest you do, follow the German system to deal with legal issues arising from any complaints BUT follow the Australian Health Care system. At least in Australia, you can get a FREE consultation with a doctor and then get a heavily subsidised prescription is you are a low income earner.

http://mingle2.com/topic/show/238331

A) you seem to forget all the technical advances that Germany made in medicine so this is non sequiter. Also Germany makes a lot of high end medical electronics. Siemens is a German company! And I see their name a lot on medical equipment.

B) The purpose of a BS committee is to see if a law suit is valid and if not the loser gets tossed out and stuck with fees as does their lawyer. Also with eth BS committee if a lawyer gets too many toss outs they get sanctioned or better yet disbarred! The idea behind a BS committee is to insure no BS clogs our legal system!

See you liberals! Try looking at what other countries do right and improve on it. Not hit us with Mandatory OBAMACARE!

Why are some people so damn dense!

Both France and Denmark as well as Germany seem to have something done right! Why is that so hard to see???

Siemens isn't a non-profit corporation. Show me a non-profit corporation that can even play on the same field as a for-profit corporation.



The purpose of making the loser pay the winners legal fees is to prevent frivolous lawsuits. It also doesn't require people to pay the salaries for a committee and it also doesn't put in place a bunch of unelected, unaccountable yahoos who can take bribes to reject lawsuits. Really? You want a group of people to decide someone can take a case to court? And you see no danger in that? That's a step towards totalitarianism. Let people still sue for anything, but if they lose, they pay the winners court costs. Simple, offers more freedom and much less likely to have corruption.

This is a double edged sword though. Sure they make advances if its For Profit but they don't make cures. There is no money in Curing someone. A pill that must be taken your whole life does= profit though.

We should definitely be able to model ourselves after one of the
other excellent systems - we do not have to re-invent the wheel
here. Then we can improve on it.

There is no excuse for the US not having the best care. Also we
should have the most cost effective system in the world to deliver
it. We should accept nothing less.

So your argument is a conspiracy theory?

Here's a link with a list of 73 different diseases that have been cured with Adult Stem Cells. That's just one field, Adult Stem Cells. I'm sure that with enough research, you could find hundreds of other examples.
http://www.stemcellresearch.org/facts/treatments.htm

Why is it that you think that curing a disease is so simple that doctors and scientists who haven't found cures are just lying?

No I am not saying it is a lie or a conspiracy. I am saying a company is going to put its funding where it can get a profit. I scientist may want to find a cure and may have a proposal for research but it doesn't mean the company wont fund someone elses research that would be more profitable.

That list is claiming they cured someone and not saying they found a cure. 1 person does not a cure make. You need a large trial basis and repeated results.

That being said I would love those to be cures as one of the lists was Chrons disease and I have UC and it is practically the same thing as Chrons so if they can cure chrons they can cure UC.

hmmmmmm. allianz insurance is the third most profitable of ALL companies in germany. more than six billion in profits.

something else i found on health insurance in germany:

The introduction of the Gesundheitsfonds which is a monstrous collection and distribution fund for all monies paid into the GKV went into effect as of January 1, 2009. The consequences are already being felt by all: the present 157 Krankenkassen claim that the amounts being distributed per head are not enough to cover cost and a number of the Kassen could go bankrupt. Their members will of course, be allowed to change to another Kasse. As of 2011 Krankenkassen will be allowed to charge their members an unlimited supplemental premium if they calculate that they cannot meet their expenses. This will again make it necessary for you to compare the total premiums of the different Kassen before deciding which one to join. Further reforms can be expected in attempting to fund the system and these will probably mean that the premiums will increase and benefits will be further rationed.

there is no money in a cure... the money is finding a way to make people take there drugs 40 dollars a pill for the rest of their life...

That's simply not true. Do you guys even think or is it just a knee jerk reaction? I guess no vaccines exist, right? WTF are vaccines? I'm sure you are all asking that, because no such thing exists, because there is no profit in it. WTF is chemotherapy? It's just a word I made up, don't trouble your pretty little head.

Apples and oranges! Siemens develops and makes medical equipment. So what? They deserve to profit from technology! How can you compare medical care to technology? You can't. That is like saying that a glass of oil is really a glass of water.

Also making the loser pay does not insure that a BS suit doesn't get through or the situation can be manipulated to make the innocent loose. The BS committee is part of Tort Reform. it is called a review panel. We need a set of filters to thin down some jack off suing a doctor for prescribing him aspirin when that was all the patient needed.

And your suggestion for dealing with this is make the looser pay? I just sued somebody recently and GUESS WHAT! THEY HAD TO PAY BECAUSE I WON! What you are offering is not a fix or a solution and already is what goes on in a law suit. And your legal experience is????

Are you the only one who uses your account? I only ask because SOMEBODY USING YOUR ACCOUNT BROUGHT UP SIEMENS AS AN EXAMPLE OF A NON-PROFIT CORPORATION THAT IS PRODUCING MEDICAL ADVANCEMENTS. If somebody else has your login info, you should get that under control or read the posts they make so that your responses actually make sense.



It would reduce the number, if it was in their financial interest to not sue.



The idea that a group of pencil pushers could sit between me and justice is chilling. Are you a Statist by any chance?



Some states have loser pays laws on the books, but not all. They also often give the Judge the power to determine if the loser should pay. Some only apply the loser pays laws on the defendant.

Here's a blurb about the law that Texas just implemented.



See how that works? It's so short and sweet and NO PENCIL PUSHERS or POLITICAL APPOINTEES stand between the people and justice.

Chemo isn't a cure its a treatment. Vaccines are not cures either. They are just injecting weak forms of the virus so your body can better fight an infection. Now I saw a video on a doctor working on Cancer research right here in the US. He has FDA approved trials that are showing great results in curing cancer with no chemo or anything that has adverse side effects. On certain kinds of brain cancer in children that have maybe a 15 survival rate he is getting like 20-30%. Yet the government/FDA give him no money for trials. They have to raise all their own money. Better results but no money.

This. It's the reason why they're always begging for money year after year after year for cancer "research". They just wanna suck our wallets dry, has little to do with health and wellness, much less cures.