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Topic: Independence Day
msharmony's photo
Thu 07/14/11 02:51 PM


understood, government applies to LAWS, not employment policies and private property

so no LAW should be able to abridge a CITIZENS freedom to say a prayer, even in a public place,,,,or on a loudspeaker,,,

the VENUE can have their own policies, but the GOVERNMENT can make no law restricting the citizens speech


but there is no law prohibiting you from saying a prayer in a public place or on a loudspeaker UNLESS it's done at a government sponsored venue. then the first amendment does in fact restrict your speech. again, all speech is not free and the separation clause does restrict free speech in this case. i didn't write the amendment. the founding fathers did and they wrote it specifically because king george's religion WAS THE LAW and 'we the people' wanted no more religion intermingled with government and law. hense, 'congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion.....' yes, it goes on to say, 'or restricting the practice thereof....' SO LONG AS it is not practiced in a government sponsored venue. no, it does not say those words in the amendment itself but it is a court precident established by case history which is where the term, 'separation of church and state' originated.



so, the congress passes laws which apply only in CERTAIN places,,, I Was not aware? I thought it was either illegal or not,, didnt realize VENUE dictated the legality of something,,,

msharmony's photo
Thu 07/14/11 02:54 PM
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances


up for fairly broad interpretation, , apparently,,,

jrbogie's photo
Thu 07/14/11 03:00 PM



understood, government applies to LAWS, not employment policies and private property

so no LAW should be able to abridge a CITIZENS freedom to say a prayer, even in a public place,,,,or on a loudspeaker,,,

the VENUE can have their own policies, but the GOVERNMENT can make no law restricting the citizens speech


but there is no law prohibiting you from saying a prayer in a public place or on a loudspeaker UNLESS it's done at a government sponsored venue. then the first amendment does in fact restrict your speech. again, all speech is not free and the separation clause does restrict free speech in this case. i didn't write the amendment. the founding fathers did and they wrote it specifically because king george's religion WAS THE LAW and 'we the people' wanted no more religion intermingled with government and law. hense, 'congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion.....' yes, it goes on to say, 'or restricting the practice thereof....' SO LONG AS it is not practiced in a government sponsored venue. no, it does not say those words in the amendment itself but it is a court precident established by case history which is where the term, 'separation of church and state' originated.



so, the congress passes laws which apply only in CERTAIN places,,, I Was not aware? I thought it was either illegal or not,, didnt realize VENUE dictated the legality of something,,,


well now ya know. you can talk about how easy it is to make bombs all day long out front of walmart. try it at the airport security check point and you can argue your right to freedome of speech as guaranteed by the fist amendment from your jail cell. you'll lose of course but you can make that argument.

jrbogie's photo
Thu 07/14/11 03:02 PM

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances


up for fairly broad interpretation, , apparently,,,


indeed. and it has been broadly interpreted.

no photo
Thu 07/14/11 03:16 PM


wah-wah-wahhhhh!


Why do all the bleeding heart liberals think their opinions don't stink????


Cry me a river Wang-Chung... Noone wants to hear it...







that's the basis of your argument on the topic??? is it really???


Yup...
I learned a long time ago not to waste my time with closed-minded bigots. I'm just here amusing myself...


I love watching people who are sooo full of themselves have breakdowns.



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