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http://www.commondreams.org/view/2011/06/24-0 Published on Friday, June 24, 2011 by PR Watch Jun 24 2011 What Happened to Media Coverage of Fukushima? by Anne Landman After a few weeks of covering the early aftermath of Japan's earthquake and tsunami, the U.S. media moved on… U.S. politicians, like Rep. Joe Barton of Texas, have made disappointing and misleading statements about the relative safety of nuclear power and have vowed to stick by our nuclear program other countries, like Germany and Italy, have taken serious steps to address the obvious risks of nuclear power -- risks that the Fukushima disaster made painfully evident, at least to the rest of the world. Problems Multiply A June 16, 2011 Al Jazeera English article titled, "Fukushima: It's much worse than you think," quotes a high-level former nuclear industry executive, Arnold Gunderson, who called Fukushima nohting less than "the biggest industrial catastrophe in the history of mankind." Twenty nuclear cores have been exposed at Fukushima, Gunderson points out, saying that, along with the site's many spent-fuel pools, gives Fukushima 20 times the release potential of Chernobyl. Japanese authorities only just recently admitted that nuclear fuel in the three damaged Fukushima reactors has likely burned through the vessels holding it, a scenario called "melt-through", that is even more serious than a core meltdown. Months of spraying seawater on the plant's three melted-down fuel cores -- and the spent fuel stored on site -- to try and cool them has produced 26 million of gallons of radioactive wastewater, and no place to put it. …the Tokyo Electric Power Company (TEPCO), finally managed to put in place a system to filter radioactive particles out of the wastewater, but it broke down soon after it started operating. A filter that was supposed to last a month plugged up with radioactive material after just five hours, indicating there is more radioactive material in the water than previously believed. Meanwhile, TEPCO is running out of space to store the radioactive water, and may be forced to again dump contaminated water into the Pacific Ocean. TEPCO already dumped some water into the ocean weeks ago, amid protests from fisherman, other countries and environmental organizations. …the utility will still have to deal with the pile of radioactive sludge the process will produce. The plan they've come up with to deal with the sludge is to seal it in drums and discard it into the ocean, which may cause even more problems. Greenpeace has already found levels of radiation exceeding legal limits in seaweed and shellfish samples gathered more than 12 miles away from the plant. The high levels of radiation in the samples indicate that leaks from the plant are bigger than TEPCO has revealed so far. Domestic Nuclear Worries For Americans who think "out of sight, out of mind" or "it can't happen here" when it comes to Fukishima and its ramifications, think again. Janette Sherman, M.D., an internal medicine specialist, and Joseph Magano, an epidemiologist with the Radiation and Public Health Project research group, noticed a 35% jump in infant mortality in eight northwestern U.S. cities located within 500 miles of the Pacific coast since the Fukushima meltdown. They wrote an essay, published by CounterPunch, suggesting there may be a link between the statistic and the Fukushima disaster. They cited similar problems with infant mortality among people who were exposed to nuclear fallout from Chernobyl. Sherman and Magano urge that steps be taken to measure the levels of radioactive isotopes in the environment of the Pacific northwest, and in the bodies of people in these areas, to determine if nuclear fallout from Fukushima could, in fact, be related to the spike in infant mortality. Tensions are also rising over two U.S. nuclear reactors in Nebraska located on the banks of the Missouri River, which is now at flood stage. On June 20, the Omaha, Nebraska World Herald reported that flood waters from the Missouri River came within 18 inches of forcing the Cooper Nuclear Station near Brownville, Nebraska, to shut down. Officials are poised to shut down the Cooper plant when river reaches a level of 902 feet above sea level. The plant is 903 feet above sea level. The Fort Calhoun Nuclear Plant, 20 miles north of Omaha, issued a "Notification of Unusual Event" to the Nuclear Regulatory Commission on June 6 due to local flooding. That plant is currently shut down for refueling, but will not restart because of the flooding. Compounding worries over these two plants is a shortage of sand needed to fill massive numbers of sandbags to hold off Missouri River floodwaters. One ton of sand makes just 60 sandbags, and hundreds of thousands of sandbags are needed to help save towns along the river from flooding. Sand is obtained from dredging the riverbed -- and the companies that sell sand can't dredge the river while it is flooding. These plants are already in a risky situation, and the flooding in Nebraska could easily be worsened just by a summer afternoon cloudburst. Global Support for Nuclear Power Drops; Some U.S. Reactors on Borrowed Time The relative safety of nuclear power in the U.S. is tenuous, despite what some politicians have claimed. A big problem is that the Nuclear Regulatory Commission (NRC) has been working with the nuclear power industry to keep our country's reactors operating within safety standards, but they've been doing it by either weakening those standards, or not enforcing them at all. A year-long investigation by the Associated Press (AP) revealed that the NRC has acted appallingly, extending licenses for dozens of aging U.S. nuclear plants despite their having multiple problems, like rusted pipes, broken seals, failed cables and leaking valves. When such problems are found, the NRC will weaken the standards to help the plants meet them instead of ordering them to be repaired to meet current standards. The nuclear industry argues that the standards they are violating are "unnecessarily conservative," and in response, the NRC simply loosens the standards. Just last year, for example, the NRC weakened the safety margin for acceptable radiation damage to nuclear reactor vessels -- for the second time. Through public record requests to the NRC, the AP obtained photographs of badly rusted valves, holes eaten into the tops of reactor vessels, severe rust in pipes carrying essential water supplies, peeling walls, actively leaking water pipes and other problems found among the nation's fleet of aging nuclear reactors.. © 2011 Center for Media & Democracy |
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I do not see how there is any alternative to nuclear. The amount of energy we need to avoid complete collapse given the issue with fossil fuels . . . leads inexorably to nuclear power.
It is actually safe . . . after all how many people died in the reactor accident in Japan? How many died in the tsunami? I rest my case. |
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Oh some good points there.
![]() But we can always just 1) limit the number of people and 2) make everybody turn off the AC just like the good ole days! ![]() Ban AC in automobiles. Calculate the energy savings. ![]() Ban AC altogether. Totally unnecessary. |
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Japan is a very tiny place with a lot of seismic activity. The USA is a very large place, so we can easily choose places to build Nuclear facilities that are away from fire hazards and fault lines.
The most sure way to create poverty and starvation is to increase energy costs. Green tech cannot compete economically with coal or Nuclear. If your goal is to supply the world with energy, then stick with coal and nuclear. If your goal is to create poverty and misery, then Green is the way to go. |
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Ban AC altogether. Totally unnecessary. Politically speaking the baby boomers are just starting to enter that age range where AC is pretty vital in many places. Just saying. for myself I agree, politically its less palatable and politicians avoid the reality of energy management in any true sense, like the plague. Just spin spin spin, sound bite about alternatives, spin spin. |
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Ban AC altogether. Totally unnecessary. See item 1) limit population ![]() Ok - I am not that callous. Let's say AC only after age 55. Like early bird dinners. ![]() |
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Ban AC altogether. Totally unnecessary. See item 1) limit population ![]() Ok - I am not that callous. Let's say AC only after age 55. Like early bird dinners. ![]() Our only opinion is to reduce power consumption? We couldn't possibly make safer nuclear reactors? We couldn't possibly build nuclear reactors where it's safer to build? |
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See my earlier post - the book by Bernard Cohen. It's fabulous
in dealing with this. I am not anti-nuke at all. But nuclear energy definitely poses a lot of risks and challenges so it is always better to reduce our energy consumption. We all waste way way way too much energy. But I think there is a rational place for nuclear energy as a part of the global energy requirement. |
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See my earlier post - the book by Bernard Cohen. It's fabulous in dealing with this. I am not anti-nuke at all. But nuclear energy definitely poses a lot of risks and challenges so it is always better to reduce our energy consumption. We all waste way way way too much energy. But I think there is a rational place for nuclear energy as a part of the global energy requirement. How do you know about other people's energy use habits? I don't have AC, so what you are suggesting wouldn't impact me. But I am repulsed by the idea of anyone deciding what someone else should do with their money. If I have the money and want to run 20 AC units all day for a single room, while simultaneously running 21 heaters and 30 TVs, I don't see how it's anyone's business but mine and the electric company. I'm pretty sure that as long as my bill gets paid, they won't care how much energy I use. |
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First of all the OP's article is extremely biased.
Nuclear is the greenest of all power sources... so far anyway. It works with the sun doesn't shine and the wind doesn't blow. Nuclear is the safest of all power sources if you don't build them next to high earthquake risk areas. The new plant designs are way safer than the current in-use designs. We have the fuel for nuclear power plants for hundreds, if not thousands of years. Al Jazeera has a vested interest in keeping the Middle East the energy capital of the world. If nuclear powered the world and the technology for electric cars was perfected (which hopefully it soon will be) the Oil Cartels would have much less influence on the world, it's economy, and the pit where much of the world's money disappears each year. The test for any intelligent discussion about nuclear plant safety is how is the word "Chernobyl" used in the discussion. Chernobyl was an open design, stupid by nature, and holds no similarities to modern plant design. The problems in Japan will probably kill nuclear power but it will be due to exaggerated false news-casting more than anything else which will give an out of perspective, false view to politicians, bankers, and the general public. Ironically, the "green" protesters of the sixties who stopped the building of new nuclear power plants are the ones who see nuclear power now as the green way to go. Spent nuclear waste storage is a trivial problem compared to the current disposal of mine tailings from the Appalachia mountains coal strip mining operations. |
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See my earlier post - the book by Bernard Cohen. It's fabulous in dealing with this. I am not anti-nuke at all. But nuclear energy definitely poses a lot of risks and challenges so it is always better to reduce our energy consumption. We all waste way way way too much energy. But I think there is a rational place for nuclear energy as a part of the global energy requirement. How do you know about other people's energy use habits? I don't have AC, so what you are suggesting wouldn't impact me. But I am repulsed by the idea of anyone deciding what someone else should do with their money. If I have the money and want to run 20 AC units all day for a single room, while simultaneously running 21 heaters and 30 TVs, I don't see how it's anyone's business but mine and the electric company. I'm pretty sure that as long as my bill gets paid, they won't care how much energy I use. I just am looking at the overall cost of AC. It is a wasteful luxury and we all pay for it with regard to reduction in world oil reserves and global warming. Just seems like a good green idea to minimize energy consumption but energy hogs will just waste energy for their own selfish gratification if there are not universal restrictions. That is how it is everybody's business to protect the environment and not waste energy frivolously. ![]() ![]() Plus some women will forego panties thus preventing a lot of bunching up that way. |
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If you add up the death from the oil industry per kilowatt hr, vs the nuclear industry its simple math. Nuclear is far safer. Drilling for oil is dangerous, moving oil around is dangerous, explosions due to oil are not uncommon. Poisonings due to oil pollution are common. However the PR for the oil industry is par none.
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here is one reason why the coal plants should be outlawed... this is happening all over texas..
http://www.shaggybevo.com/board/showthread.php/79987-Texas-Pecan-trees-dying |
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here is one reason why the coal plants should be outlawed... this is happening all over texas.. http://www.shaggybevo.com/board/showthread.php/79987-Texas-Pecan-trees-dying Coal is the dirtiest form of energy production. It is strange the plants didn't already have stack scrubbers. They have been around for decades. If you factored in the real cost of coal from mining and air pollution it would be one of the most expensive sources of electricity, instead of the cheapest. |
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after all how many people died in the reactor accident in Japan?
First, probably all the workers who had to go back in when the fuku-whatever started flooding. They're already dead, but just haven't tipped over yet. Then there all those who will be getting cancer over the next years. Chernobyl is still claiming victims. |
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Edited by
Bushidobillyclub
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Wed 06/29/11 11:06 AM
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after all how many people died in the reactor accident in Japan?
First, probably all the workers who had to go back in when the fuku-whatever started flooding. They're already dead, but just haven't tipped over yet. Then there all those who will be getting cancer over the next years. Chernobyl is still claiming victims. Here is a decent comparison of radiation exposures. http://xkcd.com/radiation/ Based on that chart it is unknown if any of the workers will experience cancers related to there exposures. In fact if you have had a few x rays, and a couple of chest CT scans. It is unclear if you will get a cancer related to THAT exposure. There for you cannot say with any level of credibility that they are already dead. The reality is that a single sunburn can net you a death sentence . . . nobody takes that as seriously. A single ionizing event can cause cancer, and the probability of cancer development from larger doses is statistically accurate. However no one can proclaim a death sentence from anything short of a mega dose 4 Sv+, and with immediate treatment people have survived even a 4 Sv dose. The fact that the public are completely ignorant of this makes for a very large fear response to what ultimately was a very low amount of radiation for the type of accident. |
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There is also a big difference between types of radiation. The press treats Beta the same as Gamma (with lots of scary words thrown in like "deadly" with no concept of the difference. Most of the radiation dealt with in Japan was the far less serious Beta.
Fact is, most people don't know that there are several different types of radiation and all have different abilities to harm. |
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There is also a big difference between types of radiation. The press treats Beta the same as Gamma (with lots of scary words thrown in like "deadly" with no concept of the difference. Most of the radiation dealt with in Japan was the far less serious Beta. Fact is, most people don't know that there are several different types of radiation and all have different abilities to harm. The lower the wavelength the better the penetration power of radiation. Radiation with very short wave lengths have a difficult time penetrating further than the skin. The most danger from radiation poisoning comes from the stomach and the thyroid, if the radiation can't penetrate to those organs, then you'll probably be fine. In the case of beta radiation, the radiation is stopped at the lower skin layers and clothing provides some protection. Also, there is an effect called "radiation hormesis", which actually is very beneficial to people who are irradiated. |
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I don't know anything about radiation sickness.
http://blog.cleanenergy.org/2011/06/10/japan-radiation-concerns/ I wonder who I should believe. A source like this, or some pro-nuclear right-wing posters on a message board. |
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