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Edited by
Teditis
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Thu 06/23/11 07:14 PM
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I am assuming he is awake and lucid for the most part. So, the decision is entirely his. You can't really judge another's quality of life in this situation. He may prefer the life he has now to death. Humble advice... Get your azz back to the hospital and hold the hand of dying man. What he may or may not prefer is virtually irrelevant. What counts is the love he gets in those final moments... you've the power to give. Get it? Leave the ???? to philosopher's... be an ordinary man, show love... feel love. I've seen death more than you I think... tis all I would want on a death-bed.. js. Sorry for my bluntness... |
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I guess the most interesting question here is:
If he decides he no longer wants the pace maker, is it suicide? Can doctors even legally do that? |
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.if he can decide on his own i think the decision should be all his,to me it doesn't matter what ethics or morals i may have..it is his life and his decision to make... in my opinion..  .
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Good point... that's really interesting...
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If it were me I would want the plug pulled...
it has nothing to do with morals or ethics |
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Edited by
Teditis
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Thu 06/23/11 09:29 PM
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If it were me I would want the plug pulled... it has nothing to do with morals or ethics ?? Yeah... I wanna get rid of people that I care about too. Fast as possible. Wonder if I'll sign on tomorrow... |
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If it were me I would want the plug pulled... it has nothing to do with morals or ethics ?? Yeah... I wanna get rid of people that I care about too. Fast as possible. Wonder if I'll sign on tomorrow... if it were me hooked up to the plug, i would want it pulled... is what i was saying |
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My former father-in-law is in bad health. They put him on hospice care. No life support. He had a pace maker put in about ten years ago. They recently tested his pace maker to see if it was working. When they turned it off temporarily, he flat lined until they turned it on again. He already is on life support with his pace maker. Is it ethical to force a person to stay alive when their body will not sustain itself? Remember, he has very poor quality of life. He leaves his home maybe three times a year and can barely walk to the bathroom. does quality of life weigh in on your decision? I am not seeking advice or support. Just interested in what people think about this. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/nov/23/man-trapped-coma-23-years This man was completely paralyzed for 23 years and everyone thought he was brain dead. He's going to write a book about his experience and his family have gotten a long thought dead member back. There is always hope for people, no matter how sick they are. As for your former father-in-law, he should probably up his protein intake and his weakened muscles should start to repair themselves. The older people get, the more protein they need in their diet. The most common causes of old age frailty is lack of exercise and not consuming enough protein. |
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My former father-in-law is in bad health. They put him on hospice care. No life support. He had a pace maker put in about ten years ago. They recently tested his pace maker to see if it was working. When they turned it off temporarily, he flat lined until they turned it on again. He already is on life support with his pace maker. Is it ethical to force a person to stay alive when their body will not sustain itself? Remember, he has very poor quality of life. He leaves his home maybe three times a year and can barely walk to the bathroom. does quality of life weigh in on your decision? I am not seeking advice or support. Just interested in what people think about this. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/nov/23/man-trapped-coma-23-years This man was completely paralyzed for 23 years and everyone thought he was brain dead. He's going to write a book about his experience and his family have gotten a long thought dead member back. There is always hope for people, no matter how sick they are. As for your former father-in-law, he should probably up his protein intake and his weakened muscles should start to repair themselves. The older people get, the more protein they need in their diet. The most common causes of old age frailty is lack of exercise and not consuming enough protein. He has multiple health issues. Heart, diabetes, blood pressure, liver ... They are surprised he hasn't died years ago. |
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In all my years as a nurse, I've seen this situation over and over in almost every possible scenario available. The thing is, it's easy to give an opinion, to present studies or articles, to push our own moral or ethical views, to want to prolong their life because their loss would mean our sadness, to cease life support would mean a law suit, giving an order not to resuscitate means giving up on the one you love. We don't want to be labeled as making a wrong decision. Rarely have I seen a decision made based on what the patient is feeling precisely because we are not in their shoes going through what they are.
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I guess the most interesting question here is: If he decides he no longer wants the pace maker, is it suicide? Can doctors even legally do that? Are you asking if doctors can force a person to have a pacemaker? No one can be forced to receive medical treatment. It's illegal to perform a medical procedure or give medication without the person's consent. The patient always has the legal right to refuse treatment. |
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I guess the most interesting question here is: If he decides he no longer wants the pace maker, is it suicide? Can doctors even legally do that? Are you asking if doctors can force a person to have a pacemaker? No one can be forced to receive medical treatment. It's illegal to perform a medical procedure or give medication without the person's consent. The patient always has the legal right to refuse treatment. He already has a pacemaker. Can the doctors legally turn it off if it sustains his life? |
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Edited by
Ruth34611
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Fri 06/24/11 10:31 AM
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I guess the most interesting question here is: If he decides he no longer wants the pace maker, is it suicide? Can doctors even legally do that? Are you asking if doctors can force a person to have a pacemaker? No one can be forced to receive medical treatment. It's illegal to perform a medical procedure or give medication without the person's consent. The patient always has the legal right to refuse treatment. He already has a pacemaker. Can the doctors legally turn it off if it sustains his life? If he wants it off, yes. Just he could refuse to take medication or a breathing machine or anything else that kept him alive. I would imagine that the laws vary state to state, but I know you can't make someone accept medical treatment. |
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