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| Topic: Jerome Ersland's Shooting Of Would-Be Robber Sparks Debate | |
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This pharmacist did a huge community service ridding the community of that piece of garbage. oh nice....tell that to his mother i guess you forget the that he or his buddy stuck a gun in the guys face...not the act of an angel... even tho the store owner broke the law, the kid got what he deserved I never said he was an angel, why are you putting words out that I didn't use? I've forgotten nothing, I've followed the story and I think it's tragic all the way around. I happen to feel that people are not garbage, all people. |
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the law is clear on these matters... when he came back in and shot him, whether it be once or five times, thats murder...he had a chance to leave, but he choose to come back and make sure he is dead... that is not self defence, that is murder Use of force is justified when a person reasonably believes that it is necessary for the defense of oneself or another against the immediate use of unlawful force. However, a person must use no more force than appears reasonably necessary in the circumstances. Force likely to cause death or great bodily harm is justified in self-defense only if a person reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent death or great bodily harm. I guess the jury did not find it a reasonable belief that after shooting the suspect in the HEAD with one gun and getting far enough away to CHASE the other, that it was necessary to GO BACK And retrieve another gun in order to prevent bodily harm,,,,let alone use it to shoot the downed suspect five more times it was vigilante justice which shouldnt be promoted or encouraged |
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This pharmacist did a huge community service ridding the community of that piece of garbage. oh nice....tell that to his mother i guess you forget the that he or his buddy stuck a gun in the guys face...not the act of an angel... even tho the store owner broke the law, the kid got what he deserved I never said he was an angel, why are you putting words out that I didn't use? I've forgotten nothing, I've followed the story and I think it's tragic all the way around. I happen to feel that people are not garbage, all people. my bad, people have different feelings on would be robbers and their ilk... but it was bad decisions being made by all of them, and the kid would be alive and the store owner would not be in jail... |
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Edited by
msharmony
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Thu 06/02/11 09:32 AM
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any verdict that convicts the victim of a crime is not justice. He was not committing a crime. He was trying to prevent a crime that was happening to him. The victim, who was truly not expecting to have a gun pointed in his face, may have overreacted, but he is still a victim. To be charged with 1st degree murder is insane. That is saying anyone under incredible duress should be clear headed and make good logical decisions. He still had his employees in the store that he was concerned about as well... it wasnt JUSTICE to defend himself from harm, be secure and STILL kill someone he acted as a criminal after he chased someone out of his store and then came back to retrieve a SECOND GUN (probably not feeling in immediate harm or he could have used the original weapon he had IMMEDIATELY available to him) or CALLED THE POlICE once he had gotten out of the store, I doubt many head shot victims get up and chase someone in good health,,, thats like saying after someone rapes me, thus making me a victim, and then leaves, I Can get a gun from my drawer and walk out the door after them(PURSUE THEM) with intent to kill thats what we have courts for, we are not jury and executioner |
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This pharmacist did a huge community service ridding the community of that piece of garbage. oh nice....tell that to his mother i guess you forget the that he or his buddy stuck a gun in the guys face...not the act of an angel... even tho the store owner broke the law, the kid got what he deserved I never said he was an angel, why are you putting words out that I didn't use? I've forgotten nothing, I've followed the story and I think it's tragic all the way around. I happen to feel that people are not garbage, all people. my bad, people have different feelings on would be robbers and their ilk... but it was bad decisions being made by all of them, and the kid would be alive and the store owner would not be in jail... this , we agree on, people too often see every situation as one where of BLAME that requires one person to be held accountable only the boy made a very bad choice and suffered consequences, they were probably as JUSTIFIED as cutting someones hand off if they robbed you, but in this country that type of JUSTICE is illegal the boy is responsible for his choice and the consequences on him(because he could have DIED from the initial shot even if the cowboy hadnt decided to finish him off more quickly) but the cowboy is responsible for UNNECESSARILY taking a life, which is also illegal in this country,, be a victim or not |
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I agree it shouldnt be a black and white thing, in this case I dont see where it was an issue in the actual CRIMES
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I agree it shouldnt be a black and white thing, in this case I dont see where it was an issue in the actual CRIMES the media trying to make it more "newsworthy" i guess |
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one split second decision can drastically change our lives in deed...
a dead child and a man in prison for life, the absolute worst possible outcome my heart goes out to both sides on this issue |
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one split second decision can drastically change our lives in deed... a dead child and a man in prison for life, the absolute worst possible outcome my heart goes out to both sides on this issue truly pointless all the way around now a thief is dead and a killer will be in jail for life |
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one split second decision can drastically change our lives in deed... a dead child and a man in prison for life, the absolute worst possible outcome my heart goes out to both sides on this issue truly pointless all the way around now a thief is dead and a killer will be in jail for life |
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one split second decision can drastically change our lives in deed... a dead child and a man in prison for life, the absolute worst possible outcome my heart goes out to both sides on this issue truly pointless all the way around now a thief is dead and a killer will be in jail for life I Have actually been assaulted twice and once I got away , not once , did I go BACK to the scene where the assault took place or gone back AFTER the assailant I feel sorry for both men , because they both made bad decisions for which they must now pay the consequences,,, |
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Considering the head shot was a bit excessive in and of itself then to come back in and pick up another gun and shoot five more times. It wasn't self defense it was out and out murder. If you shoot guns you know that a head shot is one of the hardest to make even by accident. So this guy aimed well.
Now had the guy shot the shoulder of the kid so he had to drop his gun, if he could make a head shot he could make a shoulder shot or even two shoulder shots and then ran after the other one then came back and made sure the kid didn't have the gun or a way to hurt him and called the police if it hadn't already happened then sure it would be self defense. This was murderous hatred showing. And the hatred could be for many different things but it shows the hatred for sure. |
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one split second decision can drastically change our lives in deed... a dead child and a man in prison for life, the absolute worst possible outcome my heart goes out to both sides on this issue truly pointless all the way around now a thief is dead and a killer will be in jail for life I Have actually been assaulted twice and once I got away , not once , did I go BACK to the scene where the assault took place or gone back AFTER the assailant I feel sorry for both men , because they both made bad decisions for which they must now pay the consequences,,, Agreed. |
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Considering the head shot was a bit excessive in and of itself then to come back in and pick up another gun and shoot five more times. It wasn't self defense it was out and out murder. If you shoot guns you know that a head shot is one of the hardest to make even by accident. So this guy aimed well. Now had the guy shot the shoulder of the kid so he had to drop his gun, if he could make a head shot he could make a shoulder shot or even two shoulder shots and then ran after the other one then came back and made sure the kid didn't have the gun or a way to hurt him and called the police if it hadn't already happened then sure it would be self defense. This was murderous hatred showing. And the hatred could be for many different things but it shows the hatred for sure. he hated getting robbed...you never shot a gun, or got robbed at gun point, it looks like... you don't aim, you just point and shot, all in one motion... if you take the time to aim for the shoulder, you will get shot, thats why cops don't do it...i don't know why your trying to make this a racist issue, since you don't know anymore about it or him than the rest of us... |
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Considering the head shot was a bit excessive in and of itself then to come back in and pick up another gun and shoot five more times. It wasn't self defense it was out and out murder. If you shoot guns you know that a head shot is one of the hardest to make even by accident. So this guy aimed well. Now had the guy shot the shoulder of the kid so he had to drop his gun, if he could make a head shot he could make a shoulder shot or even two shoulder shots and then ran after the other one then came back and made sure the kid didn't have the gun or a way to hurt him and called the police if it hadn't already happened then sure it would be self defense. This was murderous hatred showing. And the hatred could be for many different things but it shows the hatred for sure. I don't condone him shooting the guy while he was already down, but I can sympathize with him. From what I read the second shooting was out of camera range, so no one debating this can positively say what went down. People can only ASSUMME and that is done a lot on these threads. |
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any verdict that convicts the victim of a crime is not justice. He was not committing a crime. He was trying to prevent a crime that was happening to him. The victim, who was truly not expecting to have a gun pointed in his face, may have overreacted, but he is still a victim. To be charged with 1st degree murder is insane. That is saying anyone under incredible duress should be clear headed and make good logical decisions. He still had his employees in the store that he was concerned about as well... it wasnt JUSTICE to defend himself from harm, be secure and STILL kill someone he acted as a criminal after he chased someone out of his store and then came back to retrieve a SECOND GUN (probably not feeling in immediate harm or he could have used the original weapon he had IMMEDIATELY available to him) or CALLED THE POlICE once he had gotten out of the store, I doubt many head shot victims get up and chase someone in good health,,, thats like saying after someone rapes me, thus making me a victim, and then leaves, I Can get a gun from my drawer and walk out the door after them(PURSUE THEM) with intent to kill thats what we have courts for, we are not jury and executioner I guess what I am saying is, this verdict will make law abiding citizens more reticent to defend themselves when attacked lest someone say they overreacted. It is easy to judge sitting at your computer looking at video that is similar to movies you see every day. It isn't so easy when you are there and the fear is real and you know your life is in danger. I don't understand why everyone thinks the victim of a crime should be able to be rational when they are in an extraordinarily dangerous and stressful situation. And, everyone is assuming since he walked up and shot him later that he his life could not have been in danger and he should have walked away. There is no scene of what the 16 year old was doing at that moment. All you see is a man walk up and point a gun and fire. Why are we assuming that he wasn't dangerous at that point. The kid was afraid for his life at that time as well. The only one that knows what the kid was doing is the pharmacist. He was the only one that could see him. To be sentenced to first degree murder for a lack of evidence of what the perpetrator of the crime was doing is just wrong. Actually, isn't the 14 year old also guilty? Aren't you guilty of murder if someone dies in the process of committing a felony? |
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Considering the head shot was a bit excessive in and of itself then to come back in and pick up another gun and shoot five more times. It wasn't self defense it was out and out murder. If you shoot guns you know that a head shot is one of the hardest to make even by accident. So this guy aimed well. Now had the guy shot the shoulder of the kid so he had to drop his gun, if he could make a head shot he could make a shoulder shot or even two shoulder shots and then ran after the other one then came back and made sure the kid didn't have the gun or a way to hurt him and called the police if it hadn't already happened then sure it would be self defense. This was murderous hatred showing. And the hatred could be for many different things but it shows the hatred for sure. I don't condone him shooting the guy while he was already down, but I can sympathize with him. From what I read the second shooting was out of camera range, so no one debating this can positively say what went down. People can only ASSUMME and that is done a lot on these threads. whether you condone it or not, it is still against the law... if the owner would have called the police after he shot the criminal, he would not be a criminal now...the law is the law... |
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any verdict that convicts the victim of a crime is not justice. He was not committing a crime. He was trying to prevent a crime that was happening to him. The victim, who was truly not expecting to have a gun pointed in his face, may have overreacted, but he is still a victim. To be charged with 1st degree murder is insane. That is saying anyone under incredible duress should be clear headed and make good logical decisions. He still had his employees in the store that he was concerned about as well... it wasnt JUSTICE to defend himself from harm, be secure and STILL kill someone he acted as a criminal after he chased someone out of his store and then came back to retrieve a SECOND GUN (probably not feeling in immediate harm or he could have used the original weapon he had IMMEDIATELY available to him) or CALLED THE POlICE once he had gotten out of the store, I doubt many head shot victims get up and chase someone in good health,,, thats like saying after someone rapes me, thus making me a victim, and then leaves, I Can get a gun from my drawer and walk out the door after them(PURSUE THEM) with intent to kill thats what we have courts for, we are not jury and executioner I guess what I am saying is, this verdict will make law abiding citizens more reticent to defend themselves when attacked lest someone say they overreacted. It is easy to judge sitting at your computer looking at video that is similar to movies you see every day. It isn't so easy when you are there and the fear is real and you know your life is in danger. I don't understand why everyone thinks the victim of a crime should be able to be rational when they are in an extraordinarily dangerous and stressful situation. And, everyone is assuming since he walked up and shot him later that he his life could not have been in danger and he should have walked away. There is no scene of what the 16 year old was doing at that moment. All you see is a man walk up and point a gun and fire. Why are we assuming that he wasn't dangerous at that point. The kid was afraid for his life at that time as well. The only one that knows what the kid was doing is the pharmacist. He was the only one that could see him. To be sentenced to first degree murder for a lack of evidence of what the perpetrator of the crime was doing is just wrong. Actually, isn't the 14 year old also guilty? Aren't you guilty of murder if someone dies in the process of committing a felony? the kid he shot didn't have the gun, no gun was found at the scene... and a bullet in the head is going to limit what he could have done, without a gun... the law is very clear, don't shoot people once your life is not in danger anymore... the storeowner is not the police, and he defened himself... why didn't he stay outside and call the police? instead, he went back inside, grabbed a different gun, and put 5 more bullets into the would be robber, that did not have a weapon... that is called murder in any state... we as people are not judges or executioners, thats what courts are for |
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This pharmacist did a huge community service ridding the community of that piece of garbage. oh nice....tell that to his mother I would, I would also tell her the best part of her son ran down her backside during the conception. 
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Edited by
Lpdon
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Thu 06/02/11 06:49 PM
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one split second decision can drastically change our lives in deed... a dead child and a man in prison for life, the absolute worst possible outcome my heart goes out to both sides on this issue truly pointless all the way around now a thief is dead and a killer will be in jail for life I Have actually been assaulted twice and once I got away , not once , did I go BACK to the scene where the assault took place or gone back AFTER the assailant I feel sorry for both men , because they both made bad decisions for which they must now pay the consequences,,, I have actually been assaulted on more then two occasions. After doing the job ive done for close to 15 years, I have been in a TON of altercations. I have been jumped, had many knives pluused on me, stabbed(got the scar to show for it), almost run over and had a gun pulled on me. Those are situations that are some of the most terrifying you can think of, and I can totally understand why the Pharmacist did what he did. When your in fear for your life you do whatever you have to to live through it. That pharmacist clearly thought that they would come back wither in force or with heavier weapons or probablt would have shot someone while trying to get away. Hell, id rather be judged by 12 then carried by 6. |
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